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Upgrading Tuning Machines

Discussion in 'Setup & Repair [DB]' started by rgarcia26, Mar 28, 2013.


  1. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida
    Hey guys I have a little issue with my Machines, they making noises and the E paddle feels a little lose, you have turn it back and for to have the worm engaging the gear so it wont make noise.

    I want one of the Gears may be the shaft and the paddle is make from one metal part? I don’t mind slow nice rations but I. Sloane ($599) its too much, I cant find the KC strings tuners anymore, I sent an email to the www.gallerystrings.com, I sent an email yesterday to michael abarientos, all stuff from eBay sucks ….

    It would be nice to find something good for on about 300’s

    I don’t now where else to look
     
  2. Rubners.
     
  3. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida
    I see they look similar to the ones that I have, will the paddles come lose over time?
     
  4. I don't know. The set I had on a Shen only went on a few weeks before I sold the bass. The new owner hasn't complained of any problems.
     
  5. eerbrev

    eerbrev

    Dec 6, 2009
    Ottawa, ON, CAN
    Any tuner will come loose over time due to wear on the cog and worm gears. The good news is that you'll likely be dead before that happens (with quality tuners, that is). Rubners seem to get a pretty good review, but if you want to research all your options I'd call a few luthiers and see what they say.
     
  6. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida

    Cool thanks, not the dead part Lol

    I was under the impression but I most be wrong that high end Tuners were made from one piece of metal, but I think it doesn’t make much sense.

    I while back I was working on a cheap set of Chinese tuners for a project and the paddle fall out...

    And on my current project the paddle feels lose too…

    Rubners seems to be a very reasonable price and if they are good there is not much to think about it... Thanks
     
  7. james condino

    james condino Spruce dork Supporting Member Commercial User

    Sep 30, 2007
    asheville, nc
    If the paddles are loose ( very common ) almost any jeweler can silver solder them for around $25. I do it all of the time and it works great. I actually bought one of the really trick little Smith mini torches last year just for tuner repairs. After I completely destroyed a set of tuners with them, I decided that micro-scale welding was not one of my strong points!

    Most of the noise / creak issues can be cleaned up with a little bit of tri-flow or similar lubricant. I find that it is not the gears but usually the point on either side of the gear where the metal sort of wraps around the tuner post that is the culprit. Last week someone brought in an old Kay that had tuners so rusty and creaky that they almost didn't turn and made horrible noises. A couple of drops of tri-flow and they were completely quiet and oh-so-smooth.

    j.
    www.condino.com
    www.kaybassrepair.com
     
  8. bejoyous

    bejoyous

    Oct 23, 2005
    London, Ontario
  9. robobass

    robobass

    Aug 1, 2005
    Cologne, Germany
    Private Inventor - Bass Capos
    James,
    I used to have a small torch which ran pure acetylene without ox or air. It got just hot enough to work with hard solder, but didn't melt the work so quickly. I found it quite satisfactory for a novice, and one acetylene tank lasted a very long time. I can't seem to find any examples of this online, though.
     
  10. Jake deVilliers

    Jake deVilliers Commercial User

    May 24, 2006
    Crescent Beach, BC
    Owner of The Bass Spa, String Repairman at Long & McQuade Vancouver
    The guys in the band repair shop at Long & McQuade use silver solder a lot, what with all those keys on the saxophones, etc. They use something like this: http://www.jlsmithco.com/SOLDERING/LITTLE-TORCH-ACETYLENE-TYBE-B-REGULATOR
     
  11. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida
    I put tied a little rubber band around the paddle and the noise stopped. the other issue with the E string machine the worm sometimes gets loose, once have to wind it a little higher and then come back to keep it tight…
    I don’t know if I am explaining my self clearly
     
  12. robobass

    robobass

    Aug 1, 2005
    Cologne, Germany
    Private Inventor - Bass Capos
  13. powerbass

    powerbass Supporting Member

    Nov 2, 2006
    western MA
  14. james condino

    james condino Spruce dork Supporting Member Commercial User

    Sep 30, 2007
    asheville, nc
    That Smith Little Torch is the one I had. You can also use it with a small can of MAPP gas. If you have the skills and metal working knowledge, it is very precise and accurate. if you don't (like me), it does a very precise job of wrecking all things metal in a very accurate, fast manner!

    j.
    www.condino.com
    www.kaybassrepair.com
     
  15. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    NYC
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    On the other hand going from this
    ZJonStand.

    to this
    Gears.

    was fun....
     
  16. rgarcia26

    rgarcia26

    Jun 9, 2008
    Miami Florida
    What are those?
     
  17. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    NYC
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    I think they're originally Jaques Gagnon, but jeff Bollbach had a machinist rework them....
     

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