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Using a 110 cab for a small club blues jam??

#21
My little MarkBass 1x12 combo works for any indoor gig. It can rattle the room if you know how to place the cabinet properly. Other players often come up looking for my "stack". I could see a properly designed 1x10 handling something a little smaller with enough input power, but would probably spend the extra $$ for a 12 with 40% more cone area than a 10.
 
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Bassamatic said:
My little MarkBass 1x12 combo works for any indoor gig. It can rattle the room if you know how to place the cabinet properly. Other players often come up looking for my "stack". I could see a properly designed 1x10 handling something a little smaller with enough input power, but would probably spend the extra $$ for a 12 with 40% more cone area than a 10.
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Yeah - at the end of the day, I agree with all of that. What I really want to put together is a pair of 112 cabs, so I could use one, or both if needed. With that I'd ditch my Ampeg 410 beast - I hate lugging that thing - although it certainly does the job and sounds good.

This whole "dilemma" is caused by some GAS, trigged by an opportunity to pick up a nifty piece of gear at a good price, combined with a "perceived" need.

Normally I just show up at this jam and play, and the house bass player has his rig there. Last week I was asked to sub for him this week. Normally this would be no big deal, but my 410 is a two hour round trip away at my drummers house (it'd be overkill for this gig as well). So that leaves me with my RL210, which is "meh". And so then there is this cool little 110 that sounds awesome..........and the wheels start turning in my head.

After seeing the responses here I even started thinking "get the 110, pair it w/ the RL210 for a 310 setup, then sell off the Ampeg 410. Not quite the matching 112s I really want, but it would scratch an itch. ;)
 
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lomo said:
OK cab. That power rating is a joke. It's entirely possible it would work for you, but for me, a 10" cab means nothing larger than a living room jam or no drums. Portability is a wonderful thing, and carrying unnecessary weight is a fool's errand IMHO, but not having enough volume will turn a joyful jam into an irritating, frustrating way to spend time.
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Yeah, even if the power rating were real, a single 10 can't push enough air to fill a room.
 
#27
Shame on David Nordschow if he has a badge on the back that states 1400 watts. Only way to get that number from the real specs is to use a Peak-to-Peak reading, which only the most unscrupulous of audio companies use.
The linked specs state 350 RMS watts max.

But aside from that, a conventional bass reflex design that small just won't move enough air to keep most people happy for very long.
 
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74hc said:
I'm believing that you accidently plugged into a DNS112, probably the micro, to be surprised by a huge sound. I've done that, but a different brand, and it was 2x12 not a 2x10 that I had thought.
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Coolhandjjl said:
Shame on David Nordschow if he has a badge on the back that states 1400 watts. Only way to get that number from the real specs is to use a Peak-to-Peak reading, which only the most unscrupulous of audio companies use.
The linked specs state 350 RMS watts max.

But aside from that, a conventional bass reflex design that small just won't move enough air to keep most people happy for very long.
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It's a 110, and it says 1,400W.
 
#30
I have a Barefaced One 10 and it is amazingly light and can get very loud. Have gigged with it at smaller places but my groups are all very reasonable volume-wise. Everyone should have one of these at least for rehearsals and acoustic gigs.
 
#32
I love the Barefaced One10. It is a marvel and terrific for many gigs I do. However IMO a loud-ish band situation with drums and multiple players (such as a jam) is not the ideal situation for it; while it still gets loud enough I personally need a bit more low extension than a single 10 can provide, when competing with other instruments. It can only move so much air, good as it is. the Barefaced One10 probably puts out a lot like a "typical" 2x10, but I wouldn't expect a "typical" 2x10 to be enough for most blues/rock/etc gigs. Now, a Barefaced Two10 on the other hand...

I'd suggest maybe a Barefaced 1x12 such as a Super Midget, 21 pounds and small. I can play "regular" volume gigs with it no problem, and so portable. The One10 I use more for quieter gigs when I still want outstanding tone.
 
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JMacBass65 said:
So I wandered into GC today and they had a DNA DNS110 used for $340.

Never heard of them so I grabbed a Markbass head and a jazz bass and checked it out.

It sounded huge!! At first I thought it was a 210 based on what I was hearing. Figured it was like those Orange cabs with one speaker facing front, and another hidden inside, facing I don't know where. So I was really considering grabbing it, until I saw the model # on the tag and concluded it was only a 110.

4 ohms, and, based on the backplate, capable of 1,400 W (that seems absurd).

Anyway - I left without it, but might go back. I have a few odds and ends lying around I could bring to them, figuring I could leave there with it for about $100 out of pocket.

My question to any and all who know this cab (or have related experience) -

Can a 110 handle a blues jam at a small club?? Almost always 2 gtrs, bass, drums, vox, and the occasional sax. They are very conscious of volume, but it does get rocking from time to time.

Am I asking for trouble?

I was asked to fill in for the house bass player this Thurs, so I'll be supplying the rig. Amp would be my GB Neopak 3.5. Could this little cab deal?? Sure sounded that way in GC today. Or would I be better off bringing my very mediocre Carvin RL210?
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I immediately thought, "no-way" when I read the title and then saw you were looking at the DNS110 by DNA. I have the DNS410 and it is scary loud while remaining clear and full. My 410 is the one with the 1400-watts rms power handling. That DNS110 will pretty well work as well as just about any other 210 cab and I would consider it for small club blues jam. Power handling on that DNS-110 is actually 350-watts rms and max SPL is 128db, which is huge for a 110. You rarely find DNA's DNS cabs used. Street price is $599 new. I've listed the specs below for you.

Reason these cabs sound so good is that they are new speaker designs with huge voice coils and extended throw paired with cabs using flared and textured ports that push a lot more air than the standard round or shelf ports. And of course David Nordschow (the DN in DNA) was the founder of Eden; has been designing bass amps and speakers for a long time; and is really good at it.

Power Handling: 350 W RMS 700 W Peak
Impedance: 8 Ω
Sensitivity: 100dB @2.83V/1M
SPL: 128 dB SPL max
Frequency Response: 45Hz to 14KHz
Size: 12 " x 21" x 15""
Weight: 27lb
Coverage Pattern: 60 degree
Tuning: 49 Hz Flared port

The DNS112 would be a better choice if you could find one used.

Hope this helps.
 
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I like my blues with alot of low end... the physics just does not compute for a single 10" speaker to be able to provide anything near what I would consider a satisfactory gut punch bottom end.

If you don't mind dealing with the odds of success being similar to bringing a knife to a gun fight...
 
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I've got an old pre Fender SWR 60W cube with a single 10 and a horn and i've used it for clubs with drums and two guitars. Yes we were making a real effort to hold the volume down and yes i had to get it up off the floor, but we did several traditional blues shows using it and it worked just fine.

Oh and just to clarify, i usually run it with the horn switched off.

Just get it up on a chair or stool and you'd be surprised how loud a single ten can be.
 
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That's a DNS410 wattage with a DNS110 as model. Would like to see a pic of the whole cabinet, but I'm thinking it's a QA issue.

There's no way a single 10" can get huge sound. It doesn't move that much air. And extending Xmax is an exercise in diminishing returns. The problem is that latency increases.

I just doubt a single 10" can be built with an Xmax that moves air like a 15" or a 4x10", and sound decent.
 
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74hc said:
That's a DNS410 wattage with a DNS110 as model. Would like to see a pic of the whole cabinet, but I'm thinking it's a QA issue.

There's no way a single 10" can get huge sound. It doesn't move that much air. And extending Xmax is an exercise in diminishing returns. The problem is that latency increases.

I just doubt a single 10" can be built with an Xmax that moves air like a 15" or a 4x10", and sound decent.
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Well, they might have labelled it incorrectly, because there is no doubt it's a 1x10. I wonder then, about the 4ohm rating. If it's 8 ohm, that would end the debate in my head. The debate being I grab it tomorrow and bring it with my 210. Try it alone and pair it with the 210 if it can't cut it. But the 210 is 4 ohm, so the other one needs to be as well.
 

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