Using a 210 on its own.

[tombowlus]

But my new favorite cab is a Euphonic Audio Wizzy. It weighs 29# and sounds awesome. Together with a Mesa WalkAbout head this is a killin' combo that only weighs a total of 42#. It gets loud too, you can keep up with a drummer with no problem.

Sorry to rave but I just got back from a jam with my mates and they were astounded at the sound coming from a rig that's not much bigger than a lunch box.

Alan

The Wizzy is, indeed, a remarkable little cab. It is deceptively light and simple, but sounds huge and complex. Two of them (with a 2 ohm capable head/amp) can handle about any gig. Highly recommended.

But, getting back to 2x10's, I know that the older EA cabs (VL-210, CXL-210) can get crazy loud and handle a lot of power, but they are heavy beasts. The new EA NL-210 does not seem to have quite the sonic impact, but it does get quite loud (I use a single NL-210 at loud rock practices with no problem), and it is super light and portable.

Probably the 2x10 that I would be most inclined to try as a single cab solution would be the Accugroove Tri 210L. It's big and deep sounding, and very thick. Very portable, too, and super light for its size.

But, all in all, there will only be so much air you can move with a 2x10...

Tom.

 

[Fuzzbass]

If a 2x10 will move enough air for your situation(s), then I would suggest the SWR Goliath Jr III cabinet. It is amazingly light for a 2x10: 50 pounds or so (feels lighter than that). Plus, the price is reasonable... isn't way up in that "boutique" cabinet range.

Stack it on some milk crates to get it closer to ear level.

 

[ceycey]

You can check Ampeg BXT210M. It's my only cab under SVT-3 Pro and i can dial to acceptable low. It's shape has an advantage for using it as a monitor in PA supported clubs. A little heavy but nice sounding and powerfull enough. (400w)

 

[whatsinaname]

I've been using two 4 ohm Eden Nemisis 2x10's for loud gigs and have used just a single 2x10 for moderate volume levels.
These cabs weigh ~ 43lbs each. When using just the single cabinet, I'll stand it on its end so the two 10" drivers are stacked vertically. This gets the top driver to the same height, more or less, as the drivers in the top cabinet if I were to stack two cabs. I set my single cab rig up for my daughter's battle of the bands, and it easily covered a large middle school gymnasium. The best part was being able to carry a cab in one hand and the amp in the other.

 

[uglybassplayer]

As I type, the Schroeder cab advert keeps flashing at me: folks on here seem to speak well of this gear.

Cheers.

John

I use a Schroeder 1210 (12" plus an angled firing 10") as my only cabinet and I've yet to run into a situation where it hasn't covered the room with ease. It's small (23"w x 16"h x 16"d) and fairly light (47lbs), and handles a low "B" superbly.

- Ugly.

 

[Lowtonejoe]

I use a Schroeder 1210 (12" plus an angled firing 10") as my only cabinet and I've yet to run into a situation where it hasn't covered the room with ease. It's small (23"w x 16"h x 16"d) and fairly light (47lbs), and handles a low "B" superbly.

- Ugly.

Why the 1210 instead of the 1212? They weigh about the same and are close to the same size.

I have been looking at Schroeder cabs myself and am not sure what the sonic difference would be between the two.

But you can feed the 1212 more power!



Joe.

 

[uglybassplayer]

Why the 1210 instead of the 1212? They weigh about the same and are close to the same size.

I have been looking at Schroeder cabs myself and am not sure what the sonic difference would be between the two.

But you can feed the 1212 more power!



Joe.

When I spoke with Jorg, I described the tone I was looking for (punchy, with a tight solid low end and good low mids) and he suggested the 1210 as opposed to a 1212. He said the 1212 is a bit louder and a bit deeper but wasn't quite as punchy nor did he feel it cut through in the mix as well as the 1210. He also felt that the 1210 was a better choice for a single "all around" cabinet.

- Ugly.

 

[Lowtonejoe]

When I spoke with Jorg, I described the tone I was looking for (punchy, with a tight solid low end and good low mids) and he suggested the 1210 as opposed to a 1212. He said the 1212 is a bit louder and a bit deeper but wasn't quite as punchy nor did he feel it cut through in the mix as well as the 1210. He also felt that the 1210 was a better choice for a single "all around" cabinet.

- Ugly.

Hmm...generally I run my treble and hi mids at about 9 o'clock on my amps and tweeter attenuators and the treble on my bass all the way up (passive) or flat (active).

To be honest I like the tone I get out of all three of my cabs (112, 210 and 115) basically using them according to room size or potential loudness. I am just looking for a cab that is reasonably light and can potentially take the place of two cabs.

Uh...do you think I am barking up the right tree with the 1210 or the 1212?



Joe.

 

[orskard]

I use a avatar 2x10 by its self. Deltas. Its been my only cab for a couple years now. I finally blew out a speaker, but thats because of water in it. Once i get my new speakers in, ill have my QSC PLX1202 and RBI all pushing that cab, later this year, probally in the summer, ill get a bag end 15!!

 

[Lowtonejoe]

...later this year, probally in the summer, ill get a bag end 15!!

Cool!

Make sure you check out the S15-CUS. The S15-D is the most common 15 they make. Excellent cab. I almost bought one 'til I heard the S15-CUS. It has a bigger cabinet and is tuned (I think) a bit lower.

But you can't go wrong with Bag End. Nobody makes a better cab, just different.



Joe.

 

[tombowlus]

Why the 1210 instead of the 1212? They weigh about the same and are close to the same size.

I have been looking at Schroeder cabs myself and am not sure what the sonic difference would be between the two.

But you can feed the 1212 more power!



Joe.

I played through the 1210, 1212, 21012 and 410 at Pete Skjold's shop last December. I really liked them all, but I preferred the 21012 to the 410 and the 1212 to the 1210. The 1212 has a good bit more heft on the B-string, compared to the 1210, so if you play 5-string, I think that the 1212 might be a good choice. Tonally, they sounded very similar to me, with the 1212 being just slightly darker. I may be wrong, but I think that most of the tonal difference is just that the 1212 has more low end. By comparison, the 1210 might have relatively stronger mids highs, but I think that if you were to dial back the lows from the 1212 via EQ to the level of the 1210, then the two might sound remarkably similar.

As for the 21012, with this cab, I really did feel that the 10's were adding the expected punchiness, while the 12 provided a full foundation. It was my favorite, overall. It might be that with the 10" in the slanted position in the 1210, you don't get quite the same articulation as when it is in the front panel.

At any rate, all of Jorg's cabs sound nice, and to be honest, I totally forgot about them in relation to this thread. I was thinking of more traditional 2x10's. And yes, Jorg does make a 1010! And also yes, Jorg's cabs are probably my top choice of the most volume in a small package.

Hope this helps, Tom.

 

[IvanMike]

Cool!

Make sure you check out the S15-CUS. The S15-D is the most common 15 they make. Excellent cab. I almost bought one 'til I heard the S15-CUS. It has a bigger cabinet and is tuned (I think) a bit lower.

But you can't go wrong with Bag End. Nobody makes a better cab, just different.



Joe.

cb can give youmore input on the S15 vs the S15L (cus). the general take is the L goes lower, but the 15 has more mids (which can cut thru better)

anyhow, i'm surprised at the overall downer vibe on using just a 2x10. it all depends on your situation. As far as amount of air moved, from least to most would be 1x12, 2x10, and 1x15. (not sure where a shroeder 1012 would fit in due to the angled 12, but it's probably more than a 1x15). then you have to consider the rated sensitivity and voicing of the cab in question. IT helps to remember that you can only get two of the three at once - low, loud, and small. that said, there are a lot of small and loud cabs that get pretty low, but it's generally strong voicing in the upper harmonics. even so they generally sound good. depending on the wattage used and the gig, a 2x10 can cover a lot of gigs.

 

[tombowlus]

In general, if I only had one rig to cover all of my gigs, I doubt that I would be happy with either a single 1x12, 2x10 or 1x15. The Schroeder 1212 does seem adequate, but it's a 2x12, and I do think that a 2x12 can cut it. The Accugroove Whappo, Jr. is basically a 2x12, and it gets the job done for sure.

That said, I do feel compelled to mention the loudest small cab I have tried, and one of the best sounding, too. The mighty Hevos Midget! I cannot believe how loud I could get that sucker with my WWU. Even on a 5-string, it was keeping up with a 100w Marshall guitar half-stack and full drums! It is barely enough stage volume for me in a small-medium setting, but that is saying a lot! Two Midgets might well be able to cover about any setting. I may need to get a second one...

 

[Joelc73]

When portability is an issue on a gig I always bring my Epifani 2-12UL and my Walter Woods Ultra. If you leave the cabinet on the floor you can get plenty of bottom out of it for most gigs. It's also a breeze to set-up and break down. I literally walk in to a gig with my gig bag on my back, my Epi in one hand and my Walter in the other. One trip from the car and I'm done. It's a beautiful thing!

 

[Lowtonejoe]

I played through the 1210, 1212, 21012 and 410 at Pete Skjold's shop last December. I really liked them all, but I preferred the 21012 to the 410 and the 1212 to the 1210. The 1212 has a good bit more heft on the B-string, compared to the 1210, so if you play 5-string, I think that the 1212 might be a good choice. Tonally, they sounded very similar to me, with the 1212 being just slightly darker. I may be wrong, but I think that most of the tonal difference is just that the 1212 has more low end. By comparison, the 1210 might have relatively stronger mids highs, but I think that if you were to dial back the lows from the 1212 via EQ to the level of the 1210, then the two might sound remarkably similar.

As for the 21012, with this cab, I really did feel that the 10's were adding the expected punchiness, while the 12 provided a full foundation. It was my favorite, overall. It might be that with the 10" in the slanted position in the 1210, you don't get quite the same articulation as when it is in the front panel.

At any rate, all of Jorg's cabs sound nice, and to be honest, I totally forgot about them in relation to this thread. I was thinking of more traditional 2x10's. And yes, Jorg does make a 1010! And also yes, Jorg's cabs are probably my top choice of the most volume in a small package.

Hope this helps, Tom.

Good info.

Thanks!



Joe.

 

[Lowtonejoe]

cb can give youmore input on the S15 vs the S15L (cus). the general take is the L goes lower, but the 15 has more mids (which can cut thru better)

anyhow, i'm surprised at the overall downer vibe on using just a 2x10. it all depends on your situation. As far as amount of air moved, from least to most would be 1x12, 2x10, and 1x15. (not sure where a shroeder 1012 would fit in due to the angled 12, but it's probably more than a 1x15). then you have to consider the rated sensitivity and voicing of the cab in question. IT helps to remember that you can only get two of the three at once - low, loud, and small. that said, there are a lot of small and loud cabs that get pretty low, but it's generally strong voicing in the upper harmonics. even so they generally sound good. depending on the wattage used and the gig, a 2x10 can cover a lot of gigs.

What you said about the 15's makes sense.

And as far as the 210's go I personally think it's a weight issue. Maybe I'm wrong (I have not done my homework yet) but aren't 210's generally heavier than 115's?

And your 'two at once' rule is certainly food for thought. I have not considered those characteristics in that light before.



Joe.