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variable HPF and LPF in a pedal?

#81
RoadRanger said:
Super-low frequencies muddy up the mix - there's a good reason that the "industry standard" 8x10 SVT drops off at 58 Hz. Your typical soundguy ain't educated enough to HPF the bass DI so we have to "help them out" ;) . Personally I carry a AKG P2 mic to mic a tweeterless cab (my preferred method) but micing doesn't work well on a multiway cab :( .
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In my situation, I'd be going DI from a Two Notes Le Bass and using a LPF to clean the high-frequency fizz from my dirt pedals (the Le Bass cab sim is a touch too dark for me). I was probably gonna go with the Broughton either way, just wasn't sure if I should get them all on one pedal or get both separate.

Anyone have experience using an HPF in conjunction with a Meatbox? How did it sound, both through the cab and FOH?
 
#82
Joined the club yesterday. Plugged it in with headphones before the family woke up today. I can tell it's going to be very useful.

I'm thinking it should go last in the effects chain (just before DI/amp) so that the LPF can help squelch any hiss from pedals.

I'd be curious to hear where others tend to set their HPF dial in live situations. For me the LPF is easier to dial in by ear.
 
#83
Doner Designs said:
Joined the club yesterday. Plugged it in with headphones before the family woke up today. I can tell it's going to be very useful.

I'm thinking it should go last in the effects chain (just before DI/amp) so that the LPF can help squelch any hiss from pedals.

I'd be curious to hear where others tend to set their HPF dial in live situations. For me the LPF is easier to dial in by ear.
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I don't have the "correct" answer, but I usually dial it until I notice a difference in bass tone, then turn it back a bit again. The effect will not be very evident on the bass tone, but it will rather be that the other instruments and the mix as a whole will be clearer and better separated.
I've used it during rehearsal, but no live gig. Here are some examples I posted:


Cheers,
Kalle
 
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#84
karla684 said:
I don't have the "correct" answer, but I usually dial it until I notice a difference in bass tone, then turn it back a bit again. The effect will not be very evident on the bass tone, but it will rather be that the other instruments and the mix as a whole will be clearer and better separated.
I've used it during rehearsal, but no live gig. Here are some examples I posted:


Cheers,
Kalle
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Your technique makes sense to me. That's basically what I did when playing with it this morning. My Noble DI/Pre has a built in HPF switch that's a little too aggressive for some situations but that's what got me looking into the concept. I think I may have listened to your video before ordering but found that through headphones the bass rolloff is a bit subtle vs what it would sound like through an amp.

The Fdeck box seems to be really popular but I love that this one has both filters in one box. The LPF sounds very much like the VLE in my Markbass amp.
 
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#85
I took my HPF and LPF and plugged them into different rigs to set them...for the HPF I used my B-15 cab and for my LPF I used my VT Deluxe into a set of headphones. I turned the knobs till I couldn't notice they were on anymore and stopped there. Pretty sure it worked...been using those same settings for close to a year and it always sounds great in the PA.
 
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#86
I have to give props to the OmniCabSim by DSMNoisemaker. It's a cabinet simulator and does more than just HPF/LPF, but does have those functions so it qualifies for the thread. The new/improved Deluxe version is now out. I have the original version (no headphone output) and love it.

How I use it: my favorite 8x10 cab is the Bergantino NV610 (it's my favorite cab, period)! It's sealed, and mine is the original tweeterless version. Even though it's not nearly as heavy/bulky as the Ampeg, it's still too much for some gigs so my secondary rig is a pair of ported/tweetered 2x10 cabs. I got them because they are lightweight (neo drivers), and modular: sometimes I can use just one. Naturally, the 2x10 cabs have much wider frequency range -- and that's a problem. Even though I play low-B five string, I prefer the tight lows of the sealed NV610. Also, I often use overdrive, which as others have noted sounds harsh/buzzy/nasty through a tweeter -- but I like to trim the highest frequencies even when playing clean. The OmniCabSim does a fantastic job of tightening the lows and softening the highs. I love the Resonance control (separate from the HPF), which allows me to re-voice my low end to fit the room: it can add girth or remove boominess.

Again, the OmniCabSim is not a vanilla LPF/HPF, but it's the perfect tool for my needs: to "vintage up" my modern 2x10 cabs. And I really should use it with my NV610 as well -- to tighten up the signal going to FOH. But I don't think of this because I typically use my NV610 when I am NOT getting FOH support (at least half my gigs).
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#87
neddyrow said:
i just ordered a HPF/LPF and asked to have a DI put in it as well. love my Fdeck but don't want too many pedals and things. this is all in one!

excited to get it in the mail! i'll post a pic of this new creation called, "Fern" when i get it.
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No pic yet? Sounds interesting - though I'd probably want no footswitches (always on), no boost, and three outputs:
#1 TS just after the HPF but before the LPF for driving a stage amp with a tweeterless cab.
#2 TS for driving a full range stage amp.
#3 a transformer isolated (w/ground lift switch) XLRM for FOH.
 
#88
Sorry. I just posted my rig on another thread. Here it is:
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Pretty simple but everything I need.

Runs on a 9V battery too! Since it's the only pedal I need, I can use it anywhere without being tied to an outlet.
 
#91
shwashwa said:
Markbass has an LPf but no hpf, vice versa for acoustic image. I feel like the LPF on this pedal has much more range than the mark bass one though. I've got no proof but that's how it sounds to me
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HPF so much more effective for bassists IMO since we have tone knobs (of course this changes with signal chain). In any case, I'd like to see more manufacturers putting this in but it would definitely be more boutique-y even though it is a powerful tool.

On another thought - why can't we just have adjustable digital eqs like we have in DAW software (ie. Shelf, band, hpf/lpf) This is a lot to ask but come on bass manufacturers it's the future already.
 
#92
ba55i5t said:
HPF so much more effective for bassists IMO since we have tone knobs (of course this changes with signal chain).
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Tone knobs on passive basses also roll off upper mids at a quicker rate than the highs, usually resulting in a mild but unwanted mid scoop, whereas an LPF usually just does a highs roll-off and doesn't affect anything below the roll-off point. That's why I got one instead of just using the tone knob.
 
#93
A little late to the thread, but I haven't seen the EHX Deluxe Bass Big Muff Pi mentioned yet, and I am not sure why? It at least has knobs for both an LPF and HPF. Are they not doing the same thing as what we are discussing here? And if not, how are they different?

I've watched the YouTube vids, and they seem to use them to good effect. But I will admit that in my inexperience, I just can't seem to get them to do anything useful for me.

As an aside, I have to say I am gassing pretty hard for one of those H+LPF Broughton pedals, but although several posters have asked for a price, no one seems to want to mention it. Why is mentioning the price so taboo?
 
#94
azfatboy said:
A little late to the thread, but I haven't seen the EHX Deluxe Bass Big Muff Pi mentioned yet, and I am not sure why? It at least has knobs for both an LPF and HPF. Are they not doing the same thing as what we are discussing here? And if not, how are they different?
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The reasons:
---It's tied to a fuzz pedal, and not many people want their HPF and LPF tied to another pedal.

---Many of us don't really care for that pedal :D

I've watched the YouTube vids, and they seem to use them to good effect. But I will admit that in my inexperience, I just can't seem to get them to do anything useful for me.
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The LPF probably has more use for someone who uses distortion pedals into a DI line, and the HPF probably has more use for someone who hates lows past the point of what an 810e does. I qualify for both.

As an aside, I have to say I am gassing pretty hard for one of those H+LPF Broughton pedals, but although several posters have asked for a price, no one seems to want to mention it. Why is mentioning the price so taboo?
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I honestly can't remember what Josh charges. PM him if you want a quote...his SN is Azure Skies.
 
#95
JimmyM said:
The reasons:
---It's tied to a fuzz pedal, and not many people want their HPF and LPF tied to another pedal.

---Many of us don't really care for that pedal :D
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Ummmm, several other multi-pedals (Wahoo, Resonator) have already been mentioned. So, obviously, many people are okay with talking about HPF/LPF in another pedal. More significantly, the OP certainly never expresses that preference--in fact he asked for "anything out there" that had LPF/HPF. (on a side note, the LPF/HPF function on the DBBMP has a dedicated footswitch so its use is completely independent from the fuzz)

And "many of us" don't like it? Even if it's not the world's grungiest fuzz, how is it so bad that folks can't even mention it? Especially considering it is a product line so iconic that it is essentially what everything else is compared to??? And when you say "pedal", do you mean "pedal line"? Because the few people who have said the same thing to me--turns out they had never even touched a Deluxe Bass Big Muff Pi. Of course, I see the dilemma for folks who are trying to justify their $250 BOOOTEEEEK fuzz pedals... ;)


JimmyM said:
I honestly can't remember what Josh charges. PM him if you want a quote...his SN is Azure Skies.
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Nah. I think that is a lame cop-out (that you are trying to give him). He has active in this thread, and could have easily answered the question--or explained why he can't, even if it's the ol' "if you have to ask, then you can't afford it..."
 
#96
azfatboy said:
Ummmm, several other multi-pedals (Wahoo, Resonator) have already been mentioned. So, obviously, many people are okay with talking about HPF/LPF in another pedal. More significantly, the OP certainly never expresses that preference--in fact he asked for "anything out there" that had LPF/HPF. (on a side note, the LPF/HPF function on the DBBMP has a dedicated footswitch so its use is completely independent from the fuzz)

And "many of us" don't like it? Even if it's not the world's grungiest fuzz, how is it so bad that folks can't even mention it? Especially considering it is a product line so iconic that it is essentially what everything else is compared to??? And when you say "pedal", do you mean "pedal line"? Because the few people who have said the same thing to me--turns out they had never even touched a Deluxe Bass Big Muff Pi. Of course, I see the dilemma for folks who are trying to justify their $250 BOOOTEEEEK fuzz pedals... ;)
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You get commissions or something. You mentioned it. You also asked a question, and I answered it. And BTW, I owned one for three days before I returned it. Sounded great in the store, I'll give it that.

Nah. I think that is a lame cop-out (that you are trying to give him). He has active in this thread, and could have easily answered the question--or explained why he can't, even if it's the ol' "if you have to ask, then you can't afford it..."
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Geez, man, why don't you break a bottle across a table and stab the jagged edges in my eye over it?
 
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#97
azfatboy said:
Nah. I think that is a lame cop-out (that you are trying to give him). He has active in this thread, and could have easily answered the question--or explained why he can't, even if it's the ol' "if you have to ask, then you can't afford it..."
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The answer to this is in the forum rules. PM me if you have any questions, I'm happy to help!
 
#99
I have a Broughton HPF/LPF. In general it makes my 410HLF far less boomy, but that pedal actually saved my bacon at a gig on the 30th. There was some really weird low frequency hum coming through the amp, probably related to dirty power. I was able to dial the hum out and get the cab sounding right sitting in the room, worked fantastic!
 
#100
ba55i5t said:
HPF so much more effective for bassists IMO since we have tone knobs (of course this changes with signal chain). In any case, I'd like to see more manufacturers putting this in but it would definitely be more boutique-y even though it is a powerful tool.

On another thought - why can't we just have adjustable digital eqs like we have in DAW software (ie. Shelf, band, hpf/lpf) This is a lot to ask but come on bass manufacturers it's the future already.
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if you have active basses or play upright bass like me the3n you dont have tone knobs
 

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