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Double Bass Vintage Canadian Basses?

Cheers y'all.

Gerard, merci beaucoup.

Eh Train, Off Topic but... there's a great audio clip of a train engineer who survived a crash, was suspended after being blamed for it, then reinstated.

http://www.cwrr.com/Lounge/Feature/runaway/doc_06.html

I'm not a train junky, but I checked out the audio clips and pics after reading about this guy surviving a 70MPH train wreck. Amazing stuff. So if a train engineer can survive, why not a bass?

PatMcP -- Bass and I are patiently awaiting photos of the Heinl, SVP! :hyper:

Cheers,
FF
 
Just noticed one for sale at David Gage's shop. They have it written up as Canadian 1930's.

"Maker: Wilfer
Origin: Canadian
Catalog ID: 154
Age (approx.): 77 years
Size: 7/8
Condition: Good
Accessories: Mooradian Cover
Synopsis: The first 5-String made my Emmanuelle Wilfer in Toronto. he made it for a well respected Jazz bassist in the 1930s. It is punchy and loud. A great 5-string bass.

Bass Price: $20,000"

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The other was a well-known restorer in the 1960's through early 1970's called Sidney Orpwood, who I think had a workshop and storefront on East Hastings Street somewhere. Apparently self taught, many of his restorations showed either a disdain for tradition or ignorance of same. His bassbars were most obviously his own. These were often of Douglas fir, quite dense, and cut lower than most integral bars in the middle, then tapering not much towards the ends. About twice as deep at the middle as at the ends, then were at deepest about 1" deep. Also slightly narrower than usual, and slightly shorter end to end. This frequently led to some arching collapse over the following decades, though not usually catastrophically. His gluing was solid, and in one case where a bass was badly crushed in a car accident he pieced together dozens of splinteres to make the belly whole again, with very little new wood added. His varnish was a sort of signature; honey-amber in colour and a classic soft oil varnish texture, it was slightly muddy, but had sufficient clarity to see the wood well. An unfortunate penchant for stripping instruments and re-varnishing... but at least he did it well, unlike so many would-be restorers who paint on any old thing after abusing the wood beneath.

Sidney is known to have made only 3 basses, and of these I've seen and worked on only one. This was his last, completed in 1971 after some trouble with the belly seams starting in 1969. The belly was made in 3 planks, not the usual bookmatched 2. The centre plank went from f-hole to f-hole upper circle, and the holes are more widely separated than average. It was absolutely flat between the glue lines going across the arching, only curving into more of a barrel shape towards the end blocks. The arching then becomes arching-proper at the glue lines, suddenly dropping down rather dramatically towards the outer edges. Varnish was the same golden-amber. A rather large 7/8ths size bass if memory serves. Also made his own tunable tailpieces, on this and some other basses, using a massive piece of ebony and individual brass frets for each string riding on small brass threaded rods with brass knurled knobs on the top edge of the tailpiece to adjust tail section string lengths. Very convenient to accomodate the rule of 2 octaves and a 5th above open string pitch, allowing for variability of silk weight and other factors in string construction from brand to brand and string to string. Unfortunately a bit of a boat anchor in mass.

The belly of this one bass I've seen has suffered quite dramatic collapse, to the extent that the inside toes of the bridge feet cannot meet the belly even though they've twisted the adjuster shafts considerably under string pressure. This, after several attempts at re-fitting the feet to accomodate the collapse. The middle under the bridge has apparently gone down more than 1/2" from original contour. I was given only a brief opportunity to attempt gluing of one open section of belly joint on the upper bass side. Was able to make it stop buzzing and stay closed, using a few small cleats put in through the f-hole. Sound was quite massive, if a bit chaotic. Used primarily as a pizz instrument, and not often I think.

My sense of Sidney Orpwood generally was of a conscientious and hard working luthier with a pragmatic attitude towards instruments. He made them work, not worrying too much about how tradition dictated things ought to be done. For the most part he seems to have succeeded. I've met a few players who knew him, and liked him, and the word 'interesting' has come up a few times in talking about the man. Wish I'd known him but I was about 11 or so when he died.
Gerard,
I can't tell you how awesome it is to hear you talk about Sidney Orpwood. I own the second bass he built. I acquired it through a miraculous chain of events (long story) 16 years ago from bassist Wyatt "Bull" Ruther in the San Francisco Bay area.
It is one of the most unusual instruments I've ever seen - but it sounds amazing both pizz and arco. I can't foresee ever parting with it. In fact, if I won the lottery, I'd hire a top luthier to make me a dozen clones.
It features some of the non-traditional characteristics you mentioned. The carved back is made from two different pieces of wood - ie not book-matched - and in fact has the grain running vertical on one piece and horizontal on the other. The top table has a small knot hole in it that had been patched with another piece of spruce (although one luthier told me he thought the top was pine). The tailpiece is a die cast metal version of the one you describe - with the brass string length adjusters. I always wondered who made the tailpiece because it is not like the other adjustable tailpieces I've seen (Kolstein and Thomastik). The f-holes are really big and kind of more of an italics capital "S" hole. It has broader shoulders than any bass I've ever played (23 3/4" upper bouts!) - which has made it a lifelong journey to learn how to play it comfortably (though I think now, 16 years later, I finally figured out how Orpwood intended for it to be played). It's like a Panormorpwood.
Wyatt was a jazz player, but used this as his second fiddle for classical playing. When I got it, it had Flexocors on it and they nearly growled like Sprios when you played pizz. In fact Spiros on this bass sound almost comical - they growl so much.
I think Wyatt's main axe was Orpwood's first bass - because I remember it having a similar shape and f-holes to this one, but the varnish was different. The varnish on mine is a honey amber as you describe. I'll post some pictures if anyone is interested.
Anyway, it's nice to know that someone else out there knows about Orpwood. I think I'll go play it now. : )
 
Here's pics I took with an elph camera. They could be better, but you get the idea I think.

Here's the back:
http://vytas.devicegroup.com/orpwood_bass/back.jpg

notice the two different pieces (even types?) of wood.

Here's the top:
http://vytas.devicegroup.com/orpwood_bass/top.jpg

sorry it's a little blurry. Notice the pronounced taper of the top at it's edges, the unusual f holes, the huge top bouts, and the custom tailpiece.

Here's a close up of the tailpiece and f-holes that's not so blurry:
http://vytas.devicegroup.com/orpwood_bass/f_holes_tailpiece_close_up.jpg

Notice the brass string after-length adjusters.

Here's a close up of the knot in the top:
http://vytas.devicegroup.com/orpwood_bass/knot_in_top_close_up.jpg

Those dot markers on the fingerboard are little pieces of gaffer's tape. Notice the nice honey amber varnish.

Here's the right ribs:
http://vytas.devicegroup.com/orpwood_bass/ribs.jpg

Notice there is not much taper as they approach the neck block. This is another reason the bass can be a challenge to play comfortably.

Here's the scroll profile:
http://vytas.devicegroup.com/orpwood_bass/scroll_profile.jpg

Notice the grain of the scroll wood runs vertical, if the bass was standing up straight, rather than horizontal as is more common. I'm not sure if the scroll was grafted on or not. You can see a little diagonal line of discoloration just below the nut that suggests to me that maybe it's grafted. I know little about these things however.

I hope that helps. I'm curious to hear any thoughts y'all have on the bass.
 
Jimmy Smith, from out Picton, Ontario, way, had mentioned to me on a number of occasions that he remembers the shaving on the floor of the shop on Church Street as he and Frank Heinl worked on it...

The Raymond Elgar book, "Looking at the Double Bass", published in '67, has a brief clip on the Heinl Bass (book says 1957, the sticker inside says 1958) which ends with "This contemporary family firm made a fine bass in 1957. Deep Gold oil varnish. Fine workmanship. Probably the only professionally made Canadian bass..."

don't know if this helps or not, just thought i'd share because it's sitting in my basement presently...



Pat: I asked Frank Heinl several years ago if they had made basses and he mentioned that one. I think there is a photo of it in the store.
However if you could provide a photo and more info on its sound......that would be great! :D

Heinl's import many basses so there has not likely been much need for them to make any themselves. Plus the amount and quality of wood that it takes to make a bass would have made many violins...which is their specialty.
 
Fatty Boom Boom;

I think you're misunderstanding the grain orientation in a couple of places. For one, both halves of the back have grain running in approximately the same direction, though there is a little bit of wandering here and there slightly off the vertical. What you're identifying as grain running across the width instead of along the length of the bass is in fact quite a strong 'flame' in the grain. This is an an actual ripple or wiggle in the cell growth pattern of the maple, and is common to more desirable instrument maple generally. If you look closely you can see a fairly broad-grained series of annular rings on that side of the back running the length of the bass. This quick-growing 'big leaf' maple is typical of the Pacific NorthWest temperate rainforest region, where typical European (Balkan, others) maples grow much more slowly. The wood I buy from Reid Hudson is all grown on Vancouver Island, and for the most part resembles this fast rate of growth with fairly clearly visible dark lines indicating late-season growth. European maple's annular rings are generally less prominent, a more faded line though still visibly darker than the earlier, faster growth of spring and summer.

Oh yes, and they're not likely two different kinds of wood, rather one is plain maple and the other is flamed. About 10% of big leaf maple trees grow with significant degrees of flame in the grain. Apparently there are both environmental and genetic factors contributing to this cell bending.

As for the scroll grain orientation, I am somewhat puzzled by the statement that the grain is oriented unusually. It looks to me like the maple is fairly close to quartersawn, with the edge grain showing on the side. That's considered standard. Perhaps I am misreading the image? I tried enhancing a saved copy, but the lighting is rather weak and the image blurry so it's hard to be certain. As for it being grafted, no idea here, can't see much in the picture. I've not yet seen a Sidney Orpwood scroll graft in person, so can't say whether he did those... though he probably did as we all sooner or later run into necks so badly smashed that repair is not practical, and a new neck must be grafted into the existing scroll.

The belly knot graft is exactly in the style Sidney used in restoring punctures or pitch pockets on basses he did not make. A bit weak on joining accuracy, which seems to have been a problem for him generally. His third bass gave him a lot of trouble with the belly joins, according to the bassist who commissioned it from him. And your back seam there... well, it would have helped had he been a better joiner. Perhaps some tiny cleats or bits of raw linen glued along the inside of the back centre seam...

The honey-amber varnish is exactly like what I've seen on a couple of basses he restored, in one case just some retouching, in another (which was crushed in a car accident) he stripped the whole 'bohemian' bass and re-varnished with this stuff. Not a bad varnish at all.

The f-holes are pretty much like I recall those on bass #3. Very open, long, his own style. Such massive f-holes tend to make for a darker sound, weakening projection volume. But that's theory, there are of course exceptions.

Amazing to see he actually made a nice cast metal version of his 'patented' (not sure if he ever really patented it) tailpiece. Looks very cleanly made. Might be nice to some day get that black paint bead blasted off and have the metal (looks like an aluminum alloy?) 'hard' anodized black for a bit more durable finish.

Thanks very much for posting these pictures. While not exactly studio shots, they are sufficient to be very helpful in understanding some of the things this maker was after. Certainly not ease of playing for bassists! Still, a big, proud design, demonstrating a luthier's confidence in his ideas. More than ever, I wish there were a time machine so I could meet Sidney. At times there have been quite a few luthiers active in Vancouver, including at least one other bass luthier named Fred Carlson as I mentioned earlier. Right now there seem to be more repairers than ever here, though not so many are making. As population swells, we have more and more players to help in maintaining their instruments. It's quite surprising, but there are at least a dozen full-time repairers of violin family instruments in Vancouver now. As for how many of those are any good at it, or doing appropriate work, that's subject for another discussion...
 
I just searched this thread, and it seems I have neglected one Canadian-made bass. So I'll put forward this link to a bass made a few years ago by Geza Burghardt, a luthier specialized in guitar making and French polishing who emigrated from Hungary a couple of decades ago. He worked as the primary luthier for Ward Music for some years, then went into his own shop on Granville Island (small shopping island in the middle of the city, formerly occupied by foundries and other heavy industry until insurance fires starting in the 1960's brought an end to that) where he remains today. Still makes a lot of nice looking guitars, and has shifted into repairs and making of violin family instruments besides. Capable at times of brilliant quality of work. Made one 'chamber' bass so far.

http://gezaburghardt.com/gallery/double_bass/
 
If the tailpiece is metal, it might be an early version of one of these by Thomastik. I've had them on a couple of basses and they are pretty good!
Louis
 

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Fatty Boom Boom;

I think you're misunderstanding the grain orientation in a couple of places. For one, both halves of the back have grain running in approximately the same direction, though there is a little bit of wandering here and there slightly off the vertical. What you're identifying as grain running across the width instead of along the length of the bass is in fact quite a strong 'flame' in the grain. This is an an actual ripple or wiggle in the cell growth pattern of the maple, and is common to more desirable instrument maple generally. If you look closely you can see a fairly broad-grained series of annular rings on that side of the back running the length of the bass. This quick-growing 'big leaf' maple is typical of the Pacific NorthWest temperate rainforest region, where typical European (Balkan, others) maples grow much more slowly. The wood I buy from Reid Hudson is all grown on Vancouver Island, and for the most part resembles this fast rate of growth with fairly clearly visible dark lines indicating late-season growth. European maple's annular rings are generally less prominent, a more faded line though still visibly darker than the earlier, faster growth of spring and summer.

Oh yes, and they're not likely two different kinds of wood, rather one is plain maple and the other is flamed. About 10% of big leaf maple trees grow with significant degrees of flame in the grain. Apparently there are both environmental and genetic factors contributing to this cell bending.

As for the scroll grain orientation, I am somewhat puzzled by the statement that the grain is oriented unusually. It looks to me like the maple is fairly close to quartersawn, with the edge grain showing on the side. That's considered standard. Perhaps I am misreading the image? I tried enhancing a saved copy, but the lighting is rather weak and the image blurry so it's hard to be certain. As for it being grafted, no idea here, can't see much in the picture. I've not yet seen a Sidney Orpwood scroll graft in person, so can't say whether he did those... though he probably did as we all sooner or later run into necks so badly smashed that repair is not practical, and a new neck must be grafted into the existing scroll.

Gerard,
thanks for the education. I know so little about these things. As for the scroll, I see what you mean. My mistake was again confusing grain with flame. My scroll has no flame. When I look at the pictures of your bass on your site, and the scroll, I saw the horizontal flame and not the vertical grain (now I see both). So I was comparing your flame (and that of other basses I've seen) with my grain, hence why I expected to see the lines run otherwise.

As for Orpwood's seams - yes the first repairs I needed done to the bass were to cleat the back seam soon after I bought it 16 years ago. Unfortunately the luthier who cleated it didn't do a very good job aesthetically of fixing the seam, that's why you see the white line where he did some sanding on the back. But the cleats have held up without buzzing all this time, so that's good.

As for ergonomics - over the years I've found that playing this bass sitting down is the way to go. And within that limitation - because of the bass' shoulders - there really is only one seat height/end pin height combination for me that will allow access (let alone comfortable access) to all necessary parts of the bass for both hands respectively. I discovered this when I started trying to play a Bottesini elegy that required hitting a G harmonic past the end of the fingerboard. On the upside, finding that note for a person of my size is simply a matter of fully extending my left arm until I feel like it is going to pop out of the shoulder socket. : ) But I should say that after working on Bottesini, and returning to the rest of the repertoire, hitting anything on the fingerboard up to the high G (an octave below the G I mention in the Bottesini) is fairly easy and comfortable. So playing orchestral music, or jazz, on this bass is a lot of fun. Solo repertoire is doable, but more challenging.

The tone is big to my ears. Recently I jammed only arco with two other bassists, both playing carved instruments (a 100 year-old German flatback, and a 10 year-old pine top Romanian flatback) - one strung with obligatos, the other with bel cantos (respectively). My bass, as you can see, currently has Corelli Fortes on it, which compared to those other two brands usually sound pretty anemic. We all agreed though, that my bass was producing the bassiest, fattest, tone of the three. It could have been my bow I suppose.

Here you can hear a jazz record I did with this bass soon after I bought it (Fatty Boom Boom 1996):
http://vytas.devicegroup.com/audio.php

sorry it's pretty much only pizz

At the time I was using Thomstik Precision strings because I couldn't afford better. They still sound pretty big and growly on this bass as the first song shows.

I just ordered some Original Flexocors and I'm looking forward to getting a beefier sound than with the Corelli's. I play both classical and jazz - but lately I've been obsessed with bowing regardless of genre. And I have no problems playing jazz without a lot of growl and sustain. I kind of like it better. I'm also going to be doing some orchestral auditions - hence going with the industry standard Flexocors. I'll try put some arco recordings together comparing the new strings with the old. I want to do that for my own research on what strings sound best on it. I'll post them when I have them.
 
If the tailpiece is metal, it might be an early version of one of these by Thomastik. I've had them on a couple of basses and they are pretty good!
Louis

While it could be, I doubt that the tailpiece is anything but a Sidney Orpwood original. I've seen a couple of his wooden ones and while there are differences between those and this metal one coming from the different engineering possibilities between ebony and a lightweight metal, the fundamental approach is identical. I'd be willing to bet that the metal one is original to the bass, and probably cast at a Vancouver foundry from Sidney's mould.
 
Here's a scanned snapshot of one of Sidney Orpwood's ebony tailpieces. Hope you can make out the slotted brass bolt ends, allowing fairly easy and accurate adjustment of the vibrating length of strings behind the bridge, thus enhancing openness and overtone richness.

Sidney_Orpwood_tailpiece.jpg


Of course in the example shown that stuff flies out the window, thanks to the weight and vibration damping on the lower two strings courtesy of a pickup jack. I can't stand those string-mounted jacks, whatever the configuration. Might as well throw a small mute on the bridge while doing that sort of nonsense. It boggles my mind that Fishman persists with their old cheap jack on the Full Circle, a great pickup, which puts an incredible amount of metal right on the strings and places the connecting RCA jack almost up against the bass belly. I always remove the clip and mount those on the tailpiece under the strings like a Realist or Underwood jack. Much tidier.
 
I hear ya,
for me the tailpiece is indispensable. I once took off the brass adjusters on mine so that it functioned like a regular tailpiece - I figured one less thing to potentially rattle. But as a result there was a nasty wolf tone on the first G that you can stop on the D string. When I tune the after length the recommended 2 octave plus a fifth that wolf tone moves between the G and the Ab and thus no more wolf tone (unless I want to play the microtone in between them). I do wonder sometimes though what it would be like to have a lighter tailpiece: whether the bass would speak more quickly. But since I know now this is an Orpwood tailpiece, it stays.
 
I have worked on one bass each from two Vancouver luthiers of the previous generation.

Fred Carlsson (if I'm recalling the spelling - could be one 's') made a dark blood-red bass with violin corners and quite rounded arching in 1963, I think. It's been more than 10 years since I saw it, and memory is a bit hazy. The varnish was almost opaque, showing little of the grain beneath. Ribs were of very twisty but non-flamed wood, showing a lot of cracks. The varnish was glassy-hard, like a baked enamel or something, amazingly tough stuff. Bass was pretty solid arco, not so interesting pizz. I made a C-extension for it and put on new tuners, as the originals were something like recycled Kluzons. The work generally showed considerable understanding of the craft, if a little provincial in execution. Not to say he didn't have skill - lots of confident work in evidence, just not really a mainstream sort of instrument. I know nothing else of this maker.

The other was a well-known restorer in the 1960's through early 1970's called Sidney Orpwood, who I think had a workshop and storefront on East Hastings Street somewhere. Apparently self taught, many of his restorations showed either a disdain for tradition or ignorance of same. His bassbars were most obviously his own. These were often of Douglas fir, quite dense, and cut lower than most integral bars in the middle, then tapering not much towards the ends. About twice as deep at the middle as at the ends, then were at deepest about 1" deep. Also slightly narrower than usual, and slightly shorter end to end. This frequently led to some arching collapse over the following decades, though not usually catastrophically. His gluing was solid, and in one case where a bass was badly crushed in a car accident he pieced together dozens of splinteres to make the belly whole again, with very little new wood added. His varnish was a sort of signature; honey-amber in colour and a classic soft oil varnish texture, it was slightly muddy, but had sufficient clarity to see the wood well. An unfortunate penchant for stripping instruments and re-varnishing... but at least he did it well, unlike so many would-be restorers who paint on any old thing after abusing the wood beneath.

Sidney is known to have made only 3 basses, and of these I've seen and worked on only one. This was his last, completed in 1971 after some trouble with the belly seams starting in 1969. The belly was made in 3 planks, not the usual bookmatched 2. The centre plank went from f-hole to f-hole upper circle, and the holes are more widely separated than average. It was absolutely flat between the glue lines going across the arching, only curving into more of a barrel shape towards the end blocks. The arching then becomes arching-proper at the glue lines, suddenly dropping down rather dramatically towards the outer edges. Varnish was the same golden-amber. A rather large 7/8ths size bass if memory serves. Also made his own tunable tailpieces, on this and some other basses, using a massive piece of ebony and individual brass frets for each string riding on small brass threaded rods with brass knurled knobs on the top edge of the tailpiece to adjust tail section string lengths. Very convenient to accomodate the rule of 2 octaves and a 5th above open string pitch, allowing for variability of silk weight and other factors in string construction from brand to brand and string to string. Unfortunately a bit of a boat anchor in mass.

The belly of this one bass I've seen has suffered quite dramatic collapse, to the extent that the inside toes of the bridge feet cannot meet the belly even though they've twisted the adjuster shafts considerably under string pressure. This, after several attempts at re-fitting the feet to accomodate the collapse. The middle under the bridge has apparently gone down more than 1/2" from original contour. I was given only a brief opportunity to attempt gluing of one open section of belly joint on the upper bass side. Was able to make it stop buzzing and stay closed, using a few small cleats put in through the f-hole. Sound was quite massive, if a bit chaotic. Used primarily as a pizz instrument, and not often I think.

My sense of Sidney Orpwood generally was of a conscientious and hard working luthier with a pragmatic attitude towards instruments. He made them work, not worrying too much about how tradition dictated things ought to be done. For the most part he seems to have succeeded. I've met a few players who knew him, and liked him, and the word 'interesting' has come up a few times in talking about the man. Wish I'd known him but I was about 11 or so when he died.

Earlier it was stated that Reid Hudson had probably not made any basses. Not strictly true. Reid worked on a bass many, many years ago, but did not complete it I think. I saw the ribs on the mould a couple of times in visits to buy wood in the 1980's. Later, he worked with Zak Stolk to first make a new belly for an old bass, then later helped Zak make another bass or two when Zak was getting established. Zak is another modern Canadian bass luthier not previously mentioned here, I think. His basses are now approximately equal to those of Peter Chandler in terms of finish, refinement in the carving, and inconsistency of sound, with some succeeding very well and others not quite. This continues what he said about his own work when I met him in the early 1990's at a showing of Island makers' work. He had a number of fiddles there, and two 'cellos. One was more refined in finish, but didn't deliver even or particularly good tone. The other, just recently finished and still smelling of lavender oil, positively bursting with sound. I played it for half an hour in a hallway of the church where that show took place, and only pressure from the lineup of eager 'cellists waiting forced me to let it go. While rather ugly to look at, the thing just begged to be played. I asked him what made the difference. He couldn't say, and expressed frustration that he didn't know what he had done right, or done wrong in the other case. He sold that 'cello easily that afternoon to a young teenager, for $4,000 - at the time I think the most he had earned for an instrument by FAR, considering his average violin price was about $300. Tends to make rather large basses.

Hi Gerard and 'Fatty Boom Boom' !

Sidney Orpwood was a retired BC Hydro public relations chief. He had a love for music and working on basses in retirement. Very much similar story to Peter Chandler in Ontario.

In 1974 I went to see a bass he was selling. He had purchased 3 (?) Chinese basses from a school district. Prince George? The basses were carved spruce and maple. They had many cracks and needed a lot of repair. Mine may of been the last of the 3. It is 5/8 size. It was perfect, with new varnish and looked like a new instrument. Came with the Orpwood tuning tailpiece. I tired of the tailpiece and took the brass bits off. Sidney restored this bass beautifully. He spent a ton of time French polishing the top.

Playing a Jazz gig outdoors near Coquitlam in the '80s (?) Sidney was in the crowd. Talking to him I sensed he was sad I took the brass tuners off the tailpiece (sorry Sidney!) I paid $650 for his bass in 1974 and still gig with it. Gerard, this is the bass you repaired after the lady body tackled it!

Gerard, you would of liked Sidney. He was soft spoken and kind. He actually looked just like the lion in The Wizard of Oz!

Fatty Boom, Sidney had your bass in his house in Coquitlam when I bought mine. He had a few others he had made, one with a deer head for the scroll. He said he wanted to do something that reflects Canada's great outdoors. I did not realize Wyatt Ruther got that other bass with the knot hole repair. I saw it and Sidney talked about it. I loved Wyatts playing, ...big and classy sound! He was famous for touring during Cold War Russia with Fraser MacPherson and Oli Gannon, about '74-'84.

Sidney was a very very nice man.

Casey
 
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Thank you for that wonderful collection of information Casey, really neat stuff to know. This thread popping up reminds me that I forgot to post a couple of pictures I snapped a few years back of the one of Sidney's basses I know, which belongs to Steve Johnston. For some reason I didn't take a picture of the back when that bass was in here 3 years ago, just one of the whole front and one close-up of an f-hole, soundpost side, with a light shining in through the other to light the interior. Still, enough to give an idea of the sort of work he was doing around 1970:


Sydney_Orpwood_bass_belly.jpg




Sydney_Orpwood_bass_f-hole.jpg


Quite a stylish piece of work. On a grand scale, a large bass with a large sound. It was in the shop for a bit of soundpost tweaking, some loose tuner stuff and a bit of buzzing coming from the adjustable tailpiece string length tuners, and about 7" of open seam near the bottom. Generally a happy enough bass though. Only the second time I'd seen it in 15 years.
 
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I have worked on one bass each from two Vancouver luthiers of the previous generation.

Fred Carlsson (if I'm recalling the spelling - could be one 's') made a dark blood-red bass with violin corners and quite rounded arching in 1963, I think. It's been more than 10 years since I saw it, and memory is a bit hazy. The varnish was almost opaque, showing little of the grain beneath. Ribs were of very twisty but non-flamed wood, showing a lot of cracks. The varnish was glassy-hard, like a baked enamel or something, amazingly tough stuff. Bass was pretty solid arco, not so interesting pizz. I made a C-extension for it and put on new tuners, as the originals were something like recycled Kluzons. The work generally showed considerable understanding of the craft, if a little provincial in execution. Not to say he didn't have skill - lots of confident work in evidence, just not really a mainstream sort of instrument. I know nothing else of this maker.

The other was a well-known restorer in the 1960's through early 1970's called Sidney Orpwood, who I think had a workshop and storefront on East Hastings Street somewhere. Apparently self taught, many of his restorations showed either a disdain for tradition or ignorance of same. His bassbars were most obviously his own. These were often of Douglas fir, quite dense, and cut lower than most integral bars in the middle, then tapering not much towards the ends. About twice as deep at the middle as at the ends, then were at deepest about 1" deep. Also slightly narrower than usual, and slightly shorter end to end. This frequently led to some arching collapse over the following decades, though not usually catastrophically. His gluing was solid, and in one case where a bass was badly crushed in a car accident he pieced together dozens of splinteres to make the belly whole again, with very little new wood added. His varnish was a sort of signature; honey-amber in colour and a classic soft oil varnish texture, it was slightly muddy, but had sufficient clarity to see the wood well. An unfortunate penchant for stripping instruments and re-varnishing... but at least he did it well, unlike so many would-be restorers who paint on any old thing after abusing the wood beneath.

Sidney is known to have made only 3 basses, and of these I've seen and worked on only one. This was his last, completed in 1971 after some trouble with the belly seams starting in 1969. The belly was made in 3 planks, not the usual bookmatched 2. The centre plank went from f-hole to f-hole upper circle, and the holes are more widely separated than average. It was absolutely flat between the glue lines going across the arching, only curving into more of a barrel shape towards the end blocks. The arching then becomes arching-proper at the glue lines, suddenly dropping down rather dramatically towards the outer edges. Varnish was the same golden-amber. A rather large 7/8ths size bass if memory serves. Also made his own tunable tailpieces, on this and some other basses, using a massive piece of ebony and individual brass frets for each string riding on small brass threaded rods with brass knurled knobs on the top edge of the tailpiece to adjust tail section string lengths. Very convenient to accomodate the rule of 2 octaves and a 5th above open string pitch, allowing for variability of silk weight and other factors in string construction from brand to brand and string to string. Unfortunately a bit of a boat anchor in mass.

The belly of this one bass I've seen has suffered quite dramatic collapse, to the extent that the inside toes of the bridge feet cannot meet the belly even though they've twisted the adjuster shafts considerably under string pressure. This, after several attempts at re-fitting the feet to accomodate the collapse. The middle under the bridge has apparently gone down more than 1/2" from original contour. I was given only a brief opportunity to attempt gluing of one open section of belly joint on the upper bass side. Was able to make it stop buzzing and stay closed, using a few small cleats put in through the f-hole. Sound was quite massive, if a bit chaotic. Used primarily as a pizz instrument, and not often I think.

My sense of Sidney Orpwood generally was of a conscientious and hard working luthier with a pragmatic attitude towards instruments. He made them work, not worrying too much about how tradition dictated things ought to be done. For the most part he seems to have succeeded. I've met a few players who knew him, and liked him, and the word 'interesting' has come up a few times in talking about the man. Wish I'd known him but I was about 11 or so when he died.

Earlier it was stated that Reid Hudson had probably not made any basses. Not strictly true. Reid worked on a bass many, many years ago, but did not complete it I think. I saw the ribs on the mould a couple of times in visits to buy wood in the 1980's. Later, he worked with Zak Stolk to first make a new belly for an old bass, then later helped Zak make another bass or two when Zak was getting established. Zak is another modern Canadian bass luthier not previously mentioned here, I think. His basses are now approximately equal to those of Peter Chandler in terms of finish, refinement in the carving, and inconsistency of sound, with some succeeding very well and others not quite. This continues what he said about his own work when I met him in the early 1990's at a showing of Island makers' work. He had a number of fiddles there, and two 'cellos. One was more refined in finish, but didn't deliver even or particularly good tone. The other, just recently finished and still smelling of lavender oil, positively bursting with sound. I played it for half an hour in a hallway of the church where that show took place, and only pressure from the lineup of eager 'cellists waiting forced me to let it go. While rather ugly to look at, the thing just begged to be played. I asked him what made the difference. He couldn't say, and expressed frustration that he didn't know what he had done right, or done wrong in the other case. He sold that 'cello easily that afternoon to a young teenager, for $4,000 - at the time I think the most he had earned for an instrument by FAR, considering his average violin price was about $300. Tends to make rather large basses.
Hi Gerad!

Looks like one of the O F Carlson 7/8ths basses is available on Vancouver craigslist. I should go see it just out of interest ...my heritage is Swedish and mothers maiden name is Carlson. I should NOT go see it cause I have bought too many basses this year! (5)

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Casey
 
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