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Wal Bass Club.

This will always be a source of amusement to me because I had to name one bassist who smothers his signal in so many effects as to shade the bass he's using, it's Justin Chancellor. To whit, I had always found it interesting that fans were so eager to buy a Wal bass themselves. I had heard, over the years, suggestions that a G & L L2000 or Musicman Bongo would be a passable alternative and I'm inclined to agree.

Which is not to say that Wal don't have a signature tone, they do. They almost stand out like a sore thumb through that unique 'quack' noise they make. I just find that quality almost entirely missing in the rather anonymous tones on Tool records.

As for the new Tool song, I think it's okay. It really doesn't sound like 13 years worth though, and that is following on from '10,000 Days' that was a weak followup to 'Lateralus', which was in turn pretty disappointing. I don't dislike the new song, but it sounds entirely like Tool by numbers, the sort of thing they could write and play in their sleep.

We must have different ears. Justin is actually using less grit in the studio version of this than @Toolmybass is here, but i believe he turned up the gain a bit just to make it stand out from the backing track as his tone is dialed in so close. We all have a different opinion on what "Wal tone" is, but i personally do not believe that any other bass can sound like that and i do not see how one can say that it is missing from JC's tone after listening to that. I hear the Wal "quack" all over the place in TOOL recordings.
I also feel the total opposite and don't feel that Justin's bass is smothered in effects, except for some light OD. His use of effects to me is extremely tasteful.

 
We must have different ears. Justin is actually using less grit in the studio version of this than @Toolmybass is here, but i believe he turned up the gain a bit just to make it stand out from the backing track as his tone is dialed in so close. We all have a different opinion on what "Wal tone" is, but i personally do not believe that any other bass can sound like that and i do not see how one can say that it is missing from JC's tone after listening to that. I hear the Wal "quack" all over the place in TOOL recordings.
I also feel the total opposite and don't feel that Justin's bass is smothered in effects, except for some light OD. His use of effects to me is extremely tasteful.



Truth right here. Once the spacey bits end the meat of the song kicks in Justin's tone in Fear Inoculum is the cleanest it's ever been. The last 3 or so minutes of the song is so juicy hifi in the bass department.
 
Agreed! Metallica's AJFA That's my 'desert island' album of choice. Full of romantic ballads lol. Love it.
A classic for sure, AJFA would have been even better if the coked up little troll with questionable timing didn't erase the bass LOL! I heard Jason recorded AJFA with a MKI maybe Mike or someone else can verify.
 
Agreed! Metallica's AJFA That's my 'desert island' album of choice. Full of romantic ballads lol. Love it.

AJFA is a prog metal classic but it is sorely lacking in bass on the disc. I really like some of the remastered versions floating around out there, where the bass has been put back in. I mean, what were they thinking? It might just be the thinnest, most flimsy sounding metal record. They should have ate a slice of humble pie and put a call into Dave Mustaine asking how Megadeth kept getting better with production. I do recall Lars Ulrich later giving an interview where he said they were so off their nuts on cocaine that they thought it sounded good.
 
This will always be a source of amusement to me because I had to name one bassist who smothers his signal in so many effects as to shade the bass he's using, it's Justin Chancellor. To whit, I had always found it interesting that fans were so eager to buy a Wal bass themselves. I had heard, over the years, suggestions that a G & L L2000 or Musicman Bongo would be a passable alternative and I'm inclined to agree.

Which is not to say that Wal don't have a signature tone, they do. They almost stand out like a sore thumb through that unique 'quack' noise they make. I just find that quality almost entirely missing in the rather anonymous tones on Tool records.

That's exactly my thought. I think the bass sound of Justin is not typical Wal. At least not the sound I am going for and recognize in my Wal basses. I think the Mick Karn/Percy Jones/John Giblin/Roxy Music mid heavy cut through the mix sound is more typical Wal (for me) and that's why I like Wal. Not the effected plectrum rock sound Justin is having. Nothing wrong with that sound of course and it attracted many people to Wal basses. But each his own of course. It's a good thing that Wal basses have different associations for people.
 
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This will always be a source of amusement to me because I had to name one bassist who smothers his signal in so many effects as to shade the bass he's using, it's Justin Chancellor. To whit, I had always found it interesting that fans were so eager to buy a Wal bass themselves. I had heard, over the years, suggestions that a G & L L2000 or Musicman Bongo would be a passable alternative and I'm inclined to agree.

Which is not to say that Wal don't have a signature tone, they do. They almost stand out like a sore thumb through that unique 'quack' noise they make. I just find that quality almost entirely missing in the rather anonymous tones on Tool records.

As for the new Tool song, I think it's okay. It really doesn't sound like 13 years worth though, and that is following on from '10,000 Days' that was a weak followup to 'Lateralus', which was in turn pretty disappointing. I don't dislike the new song, but it sounds entirely like Tool by numbers, the sort of thing they could write and play in their sleep.

trolling, eh?
I keep reading that 'JC tone is smothered in effects', when it's actually not true. People seem to have no idea what a clean, unprocessed Wal sounds like. Songs like Reflection feature the tone nicely, that's just how my Wal sounds like, played with a pick in that certain way. One thing I love about it (and my Stingray, too) is that they sound so complete even when plugged in directly to the PA, no preamp whatsoever.

When using the filter knobs the tone surely becomes more processed and artificial, but that is still the bass guitar itself, like a baked in crunch tone. That's no pedal or production processing. Listen to the beginning of Disposition, the only effect there is a delay. Everything else is the Wal itself.

I've had several Bongos and I know the G&L L2000 quite well. They'll sound fitting if you play and EQ them correctly, but they won't sound like a Wal. The Bongo is a chameleon so you can try to mimic a Wal.
One of the things that stand out when playing a Wal is that every string has kinda it's own voice. That's true for most basses but the Wal is still something special in that regard. The Bongo is completely different here, it sounds very even all over the fretboard.
Depending on how compromising you are, most basses can get you in that territory. But I guess that is true for every bass tone out there... if you are not too keen about the details.

There are tons of people loving that 'anonymous' tone, I guess it's just not for you. I can't understand the hype for that Jamerson 'gnub gnub gnub'- tone either. That guy played godlike and had an impeccable taste for interesting basslines, but the tone is - to me - completely uninteresting and dull. Still, thousands of bassist strive to sound like him.

Can you identify the songs Justin played on Ænima with the Stingray? Without googling ;)
I think they are easily spotted if you have an ear for it. I hear the 'quack' in just about every single song he used the Wal just fine.
Different people look for different things in a bass guitars tone though.

Can any song really ever justify a 13 years wait? I've glanced over the new stuff, but I am waiting for the album to come out. I don't expect it to be as good as Lateralus, my favorite album ever. What I heard so far sounds solid. I'll make up my mind after hearing the album several times. Lateralus took me years to truly appreciate it.
 
trolling, eh?
I keep reading that 'JC tone is smothered in effects', when it's actually not true. People seem to have no idea what a clean, unprocessed Wal sounds like. Songs like Reflection feature the tone nicely, that's just how my Wal sounds like, played with a pick in that certain way.

Can you give your exact knob settings to get that Reflection tone? Without any effects. Just straight Wal bass. I have trouble getting my Wal sound exactly like that. Thanks
 
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Pull both tone knobs, pick attack engaged (and set accordingly via trim pot). I leave the neck tone on 10 and turn down the treble tone to somewhere around 8 usually. Just play a bit and adjust. I find it too harsh on 10.
Important on my MK1: I have to turn the pickup blend a tiny bit to the neck side. Listen to it, the tone shifts a tad. It still sounds very much like both pickups are involved, not that broad tone you get when the neck pickup really takes over.

Please note that my '86 Walnut Wal Mk1 is very mid heavy, even for a Wal. I've had an Irish Yew one before, and that had a more even response. I used different settings back then, less pick attack trim and also the tone on both pickups at around 8.

Ah, and fresh EB Slinkys and a pick of course.
 
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this pic is from the EB String Theory video with Justin. God, those pickups are up high! Mine are a lot lower. If I turn them up so high the bass is becoming even more mid focused.

BTW his settings in this video are pretty straight forward: every knob pulled, all on 10. Pan looks pretty center.
 
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trolling, eh?

Please don't think I'm being silly or trying to wind anyone up, but I am not to too meek to call out a 'sacred cow' like Justin when his tone has been so revered over the years. It's just nothing special to my ears, but then neither is the 'P bass with flats' sound. Indeed, P w/flats is probably one of my least favourite bass tones, up there with Gibson mudbuckers and anything with tapewound strings.

I am old enough and English enough to remember a point where Wal were in the doldrums and their image was shot, because of their heavy association with bands like Spandau Ballet. One must remember that the cultural shift in 90's pop music lead to an almost wholesale rejection of the 80's aesthetic and that included the instruments of choice for the big players of the 80's. In this slump, some pretty serious Wal collections were amassed for not much cash, and it wasn't until the twinned events of the arrival of Justin Chancellor and the shuttering of Wal for good that values really ballooned. What struck me as ironic in that regard was that Justin's tone was so anonymous and shrouded so much of what made Wal sound distinct and special to my ears, and yet the desire for his fans to absolutely play the basses he did pushed the prices up by a massive degree.

I do not contend that the Chancellor Effect alone resulted in the ballooning prices. Wal basses never came back in vogue like they once had been, but certainly in the UK they came to be respected once again as nicely made instruments with a special sound and the perception of them being an outdated relic of a bygone era faded too. This realignment of perception also no doubt pushed prices back up.

FWIW, some of my favourite tones were recorded with a Wal. Any time Geddy Lee picked one up, magic happened. Jonas Hellborg cut 'Elegant Punk' with his Sound of Sweden and Wal basses and even marked on the liner notes which basses were used on which tracks. To my ears, the Wal sounds slightly better (though I think he mainly gave the best songs to the SoS bass). Until I tried an ACG, I had never tried another bass that sounded anything like a Wal. Even Alembics with a filter preamp didn't capture that squelching 'quack' sound that is so distinct to Wal, at least when I tried them.
 
What struck me as ironic in that regard was that Justin's tone was so anonymous and shrouded so much of what made Wal sound distinct and special to my ears, and yet the desire for his fans to absolutely play the basses he did pushed the prices up by a massive degree.


Hard to fathom that you find a bass tone that put its stamp all over Tools band sound anonymous. I can't find a less fitting word, but I am no native speaker so please bear with me. Maybe I misinterpret its meaning.

I guess the main thing is the pick, and leaving all those higher frequencies in the tone/mix. It sure sounds different to Flea, or Geddy or J.Hellborg or Mick Karn. All fingerstyle players. Playing with a pick pronounces different frequencies. Those guys are known for dramatically different musical styles. Justins tone complements the busy drumming and the heavy guitars superbly in my opinion, and you can make out all the cool lines he plays. Thats quite a feat. The tone fits perfectly, and the Stingray is noticeably thinner in the mids on the recordings. The Wal has lots of muscle and push, despite being pick played.

Can't give the man enough credit. I only picked up the bass because of him. Not the lines he was playing... I wanted to play the instrumented that sounded like that. Never heard anything like it before. In fact I heard their music long before I even knew what a bass guitar is. And it was always his parts that intrigued me most.
 
Pull both tone knobs, pick attack engaged (and set accordingly via trim pot). I leave the neck tone on 10 and turn down the treble tone to somewhere around 8 usually. Just play a bit and adjust. I find it too harsh on 10.
Important on my MK1: I have to turn the pickup blend a tiny bit to the neck side. Listen to it, the tone shifts a tad. It still sounds very much like both pickups are involved, not that broad tone you get when the neck pickup really takes over.

Please note that my '86 Walnut Wal Mk1 is very mid heavy, even for a Wal. I've had an Irish Yew one before, and that had a more even response. I used different settings back then, less pick attack trim and also the tone on both pickups at around 8.

Ah, and fresh EB Slinkys and a pick of course.

Thanks! Just before you posted this I was fiddling again with my Wal knobs to look for the Tool tone and came to about the same settings as you describe. So both knobs pulled. Neck on 10 and bridge on 8-10. Pickup blend in the middle and pick attack on (I have my trim knob set at about 30% which might be too less for the JC tone I guess)

The key is to pull up the filter knobs. When I have my personal favorite setting I never pull up the filter knobs because most of the time I find it too artificial. But with the knobs on 10 or close to 10 it sounds less artificial. That gets you in the ballpark of the JC tone Although I am sure they added some compression and EQ in the studio as well.
 
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Hey Wal Bass Guys -
I just came across this by accident, and thought you may be interested:
Guitar HM070850M Rug

I’m not a Wal bass owner (although I sold a ton of them back in the day,) but this was kinda cool and too random not to post. A Wal bass rug? How cool is that!?!
Hmm... With the recent news of Etsy purchasing Reverb, I wonder if we will start seeing more artsy projects like this.
 
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this pic is from the EB String Theory video with Justin. God, those pickups are up high! Mine are a lot lower. If I turn them up so high the bass is becoming even more mid focused.

I run mine high...if you look at his, the rear is higher than the front...I set both of mine about where he has his rear set.

One thing I learned since I've experianced a lot of Wals; not all of them are going to get that particular grind. Some have just been a warmer toned bass. The ones that did do it, easily got that rattley grind, no effects.
Even Justin said his backup maple Mk2 doesnt have that same sound as his main maple one.
 
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