I used to use two Golith 4x10's for a long time and after a while I got tired of their weight; 80 lbs. each! I went to two Bag Ends; a 1x15 and a 1x15 coaxiel; 40 & 45 lbs. One of the smartes bass decisions I've ever made. They sound awsome. I used to use an SWR SM400, now I use a Orange Bass Terror 500.
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Wanna replace my 410 HLF and go light
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The baby brother of the SVT-410HLF is the discontinued SVT-210HE. It uses the very same (heavy...) 10" drivers ín a smaller cabinet of similar tuning. Can handle a lot of power and needs it to get loud. Deep bass for a 210, for sure.
The Lil G is a tiny 2-12 and comes in well under 39 lb. I suggested to Sammie Glass that he list that weight back when some people here insisted I was lying about the lighter weight, particularly one person who couldn't believe his much larger fEARful weighed 10 lb. more than my cab (amidst all of the other naysaying). And one fEARful owner has said that his single Lil G's output compared favorably to his stack of two 112's. That stack takes up quite a bit more space and weighs more than the single Lil G cab.
The 39 lb. mindset was that I seriously doubted that anyone would complain about their cab being much lighter than advertised. So far that's been the case.
His web guy is very slow with updates, the actual weight of an optioned cab was supposed to go up months ago.
The 39 lb. mindset was that I seriously doubted that anyone would complain about their cab being much lighter than advertised. So far that's been the case.
His web guy is very slow with updates, the actual weight of an optioned cab was supposed to go up months ago.
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I'm convinced that a glasstone lil G is definitely in my future.....same reasons as OP stated....small light and replaces two 46 pound Aguilar db112's
I played the 8x10 for years, and also switched to the 410HLF and was (am still) very happy with the way that cab sounds. I played an older SVT3 head or my SVP-Pro+Power Amp+dbx160Aa with it.
All that being said, I built a fEARful 15/6 and now use the Genz Benz ShuttleMAX 9.2 with it, and so far I have been able to get every tone I've wanted from any of my basses. My whole rig (cabinet, rack with Korg DTR2 tuner, head, etc) comes in about 65lbs. And its LOUD when needed, and still sounds great even for small acoustic shows.
All that being said, I built a fEARful 15/6 and now use the Genz Benz ShuttleMAX 9.2 with it, and so far I have been able to get every tone I've wanted from any of my basses. My whole rig (cabinet, rack with Korg DTR2 tuner, head, etc) comes in about 65lbs. And its LOUD when needed, and still sounds great even for small acoustic shows.
I've been looking for lighter, smaller and more powerful cabs for a while now and the best setup I've found so far for that is the MarkBass Randy Jackson 15" (37lbs. 17 1/2" width) paired with the MarkBass 210 Club (28lbs. 17 1/2" width). Why the Randy Jackson 15" instead of the Club 15"? Because the Randy Jackson 15" model puts out a little deeper bass. Regardless of what measurements you see on the retail sites these two cabs fit together perfectly and sound great.
Here's the rub though. These are rear ported cabs and, in my experience, the sound is uneven when you walk around the room. It makes a difference if there's a wall right behind the cab, which happens in most club settings. I've found that it's very boomy and bassy right around the cab and wall, effectively overwhelming me and the drummer but when I walked out front about 15 feet all the boomyness had disappeared and it was much less bassy out there. I found that same situation in all 3 clubs I tried them in and with a different amp head each time. When I played them in a studio situation with good acoustics and no wall right behind them that was the best bass sound I've heard and that was using only a G-K MB200 head.
Because of the uneven sound problem I sent them back and am now waiting on a pair of G-K MBEII cabs that weigh 33 lbs. each and rated at 400 watts, the same as the MarkBass cabs but are front ported. Unfortunately, they are a little wider than the MarkBass cabs for a slightly bigger footprint on stage.
The only other light cabs I've considered are the Schroeder cabs which average about 36 lbs. but are even wider. You can turn some of them on their sides, though, for a smaller footprint.
Here's the rub though. These are rear ported cabs and, in my experience, the sound is uneven when you walk around the room. It makes a difference if there's a wall right behind the cab, which happens in most club settings. I've found that it's very boomy and bassy right around the cab and wall, effectively overwhelming me and the drummer but when I walked out front about 15 feet all the boomyness had disappeared and it was much less bassy out there. I found that same situation in all 3 clubs I tried them in and with a different amp head each time. When I played them in a studio situation with good acoustics and no wall right behind them that was the best bass sound I've heard and that was using only a G-K MB200 head.
Because of the uneven sound problem I sent them back and am now waiting on a pair of G-K MBEII cabs that weigh 33 lbs. each and rated at 400 watts, the same as the MarkBass cabs but are front ported. Unfortunately, they are a little wider than the MarkBass cabs for a slightly bigger footprint on stage.
The only other light cabs I've considered are the Schroeder cabs which average about 36 lbs. but are even wider. You can turn some of them on their sides, though, for a smaller footprint.
I hate to tell you this, but the rear porting had nothing to do with it. The fact that the cabs were missmatched was the problem.
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Unless I missed something, it seems like the best/first question to ask is, how happy are you with the sound of the Ampeg hlf? If you want 'that' sound in a lighter package, then I think folks could be more helpful 
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Didn't read the other comments but the markbass 4-10 front ported I just picked up and it's amazing at I think about 55lbs
Sorry, did the neo route and still have two UL112's which are great - in their own way, but at the end of the day nothing but nothing will sound as good as your 410hlf. I've recently re-acquired my favourite cab, an Eden D410XLT/4 ohms. While my back doesn't appreciate it, my ears do. Keep the 410hlf and do the neo thing to see how it goes for you...
Unless I missed something, it seems like the best/first question to ask is, how happy are you with the sound of the Ampeg hlf? If you want 'that' sound in a lighter package, then I think folks could be more helpful
Seems like he made it clear that he likes the sound.
"I love the sound of an Ampeg 8x10 cabinet. But mine now sits in my garage not needed. I went to a 4x10 hlf for the size of gigs I do and its has that same sound. "
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I did say 'unless I missed something.'
My only point was when someone asks advice for new gear, most responses are just what others like that they own. So, if you love the hlf, I wouldn't think the Markbass stuff would fit the bill. Jimmy M had some solid suggestions as did CL400Peavey. I'm not sure what I'd recommend because I'm not a fan of the 410hlf, personally. Acme's go low in a similar way, so there's that.
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I agree, the Markbass stuff sounds nothing like the 410hlf. And I also agree that people on here will recommend only what they own without any regard for what the person is looking for.I did say 'unless I missed something.'
My only point was when someone asks advice for new gear, most responses are just what others like that they own. So, if you love the hlf, I wouldn't think the Markbass stuff would fit the bill. Jimmy M had some solid suggestions as did CL400Peavey. I'm not sure what I'd recommend because I'm not a fan of the 410hlf, personally. Acme's go low in a similar way, so there's that.
So tg, only listen to Mark, CL400, and me.
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I DID recommend the SVT-210HE which is basically half the 410 cab and uses the same drivers.
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I DID recommend the SVT-210HE which is basically half the 410 cab and uses the same drivers.
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