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Want to replace individual stomps with mulit-effects

#21
Thanks again, guys. Really good posts.

It seems I drift from leaning towards one to another every few minutes. :)

I do like the tube Pre on the Zoom B9. Also like the switches. I've heard Stu Hamm demo one, but mainly he did more of the far-out stuff.

I have looked at the Pod X3 Live. Seems folks are equally divided on it. Some love it and some hate it. Same with the ME50-b...

If figured if I was patient, the M9 or the M13 would fit what I want not just better, but simpler. With vocals on top of playing bass, my plate if pretty full, so simple is good. But it might take a while to find one that I can justify to myself. My pedals work fine. Just a pain, and somewhat limiting.

B9, M9/13, XP LIVE, or even a ME-50b...... hmmm so many things to consider. Wish I had them side by side, but then I would feel compelled to buy it from that store (new).

One other thing. What is a fair price, iyo, of each of the above (used)?

thanks again. CD
 
#22
I bought this Zoom Multi effects pedal

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after a week returned it and bought this one instead

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The Zoom was really an expensive toy that was cheesy sounding and I would never use on stage....The Tech 21 sounds a thousand times better and just works better.
 
#23
OOOOOO, and the plot thickens with the Sansamp. Always just thought of it as a driver... Off to do some reading...

In the meantime, if you could compare them sort of step-by-step (or effect by effect), I think it would be beneficial to virtually everyone. Never seen them compared anywhere before.. At least not by someone who has owned both. Not asking for too many techie details, but just how you like say... the comp on which one better, for example, etc.

Research time.
 
#24
Got rid of most of my pedals but I held onto this:

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ART Phat Boy multi FX. Came out in '98 or so. Its a strange agent but you can probably find one for <$50 used if you keep your eyes opened. Built like a tank and can be used as a DI sans effects if desired. Like most multi FX pedals, some of the offerings really bite (like the octaver) but the compressor, reverbs, chorus, and flangers are pretty impressive.

The print is starting to flake off so I've been busy memorizing the 16 selector positions and functions.

Riis
 
#25
clubdude said:
OOOOOO, and the plot thickens with the Sansamp. Always just thought of it as a driver... Off to do some reading...

In the meantime, if you could compare them sort of step-by-step (or effect by effect), I think it would be beneficial to virtually everyone. Never seen them compared anywhere before.. At least not by someone who has owned both. Not asking for too many techie details, but just how you like say... the comp on which one better, for example, etc.

Research time.
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Well the main reason I bought the Zoom was the fact it said it did tones like SVT and now having the Sansamp that also has a setting for SVT the sound quality is much better.
 
#27
I didn't like my BP-8, which I bought new. Noisy, overdrives weren't great, no metering to speak of, and there's a very noticeable delay/moment of silence when switching patches. I had to learn to hit the switch a moment before the downbeat or the note would be late.

After I started having problems with the footswitches it then started to cycle through patches continuously whenever I'd turn it on. I threw it in the trash.
 
#29
To be fair to martyman, I did mention the the B9 a several times. And also to be fair, the B2 has been suggested several times. I would lean more towards the B9.1ut, even though it does more than I need, and is a little pricey. I'm trying to stay below around 200 hundred, so I may just have to be patient. But ya'll know what it's like when you get the fever. :D

I'm trying to find more demo's of each thing discussed. The Sansamp gets great conversation everywhere, but I do think I might need a couple of effects pedals with it. That would defeat the purpose of switching from a bulky pedalboard to a multi.

I still keep coming back to the M9/13. Wish I could find a real deal on one. I like the demo's of the ME-50b I've heard, actually, if it got down to price. I started out thinking I wanted a GT-6b, but the more I learned about it, the more I could see it taking up a bunch of my time, either for the learning curve, or toying with it. I'm looking for a tool, not a toy.

I'm really impressed with the amount and quality of posts, guys. Slow news day? ;)
 
#31
I own the ME50-B & the GT6-B. (also use a GT8 for electric guitar.) So you want a tool merged with quality. One thing I discovered with the ME50-B & the GT6-B. When you set up your ME50-B you can get the sound you what you want with any particular rig. If you then use any other rig; it's usually start all over again, I advise stay manual mode, as far as effects are conceraned. (EQ & Volume is a different story) With the GT6-B, it's consistant with all rigs and way more powerful. Also you can use it for effects only without a pre-amp or speaker SIMS, I always use original. Give yourself 30 minutes a day on the GT6-B for a week, and you will get it to a fine art. A lot of tools need to be sharpened, a lot of effects need to cut through the mix. The GT6-B in Manual Mode is incredible & a perfect simple tool. If you get stuck understanding it, plenty on here to help you.
 
#32
I you want to replace individual stomps with a multi and retain the ease of use and flexibility I think you need to go for one of the bigger multi-pedal units, rather than the likes of the 2 pedal Zoom B2 etc.

I have a GT6B (gathering dust) and the Zoom B9.1ut (may come out to play again shortly).

Whilst I prefer the depth of tweakability of the Boss, when it comes to natural overdrive and driven amp models it completely fails to impress. The zoom is so much better in this respect. Things like chorus, delay etc are a bit sweeter and lush on the Boss, but the zoom is still good and perfectly useable in this respect. I also prefer the compression on the zoom. Synths on both are a bit hit and miss -the boss is a bit more versatile, but both have their good and bad points.

I have used the Korg AX3000B a few times and was very impressed. Drives are quite nartual sounding and very good for the price - better value for money than the GT6B at any rate. But for me it just didn't have the flexibility I wanted at the time.
 
#33
Good morning and thanks for the new posts.

I notice a lot of folks are discussing "good synths" and "bad synth sounds". For the sake of my discussion and use, I wouldn't care if it didn't even have synth, honestly. Comp,chorus,overdrive, octaver, delay, are more impt to me. I fool around with my Digitech Bass Synth Wah, and get more sounds out it than I will ever use. I will use the envelope filter on rare occasions, and I use the octaver a lot (mostly without wah, but some wah/octaver), but most of the synth sounds I would only use as a special intro or something like that, just for impact (not for the actual song), if ever. Something like the sound on "All you want to do is dance" might be some synth that I use, but synth is just not the most important thing to me.

Also note (since it's been a while since my original post), I want to use whatever pedals between my bass and my LH1000, not in effects loop. I'm trying to get simpler, so if any of these effects has a conflict with being before the preamp, please post that. We are 3 pieces, and we play a lot, sometimes twice in a day, so simplicity is good. And we are kind of an ecclectic rock hits band. From British rock to southern rock to classic rock to SRV to Collective Soul/Cravin Melon to whatever is hot and requested.

Seems a lot of folks really like the Zoom sound (B9), but the Boss (Gt6b/10b) functionality. I'm sure any of these would be do the job and be overkill, so it's a matter of waiting for the best fit.

Looks like the Line 6 M-series stompbox modelers are going to be more than I can justify spending. The Pod XT LIVE, B9, GT-6, and the ME-50b (cheapest) are all still in play. Looking at all of them for sell right now. Agree that I prefer more pedals that control less functions each than fewer pedals that control more functions each.

Thanks so much. Good stuff.
 
#34
clubdude said:
Looks like the Line 6 M-series stompbox modelers are going to be more than I can justify spending. The Pod XT LIVE, B9, GT-6, and the ME-50b (cheapest) are all still in play.
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IMHO, the M9 and M13's effects are vastly better than the Pod XT Live. Octaver I feel is specifically fantastic on the M9/M13 as well as many of the other effects on it. And much more designed for ease of live use vs preset patches.
 
#35
Agree, stfbn. M13 would be my "dream pedal" right now. But I'm not going to sink that much into something that I haven't tried fairly extensively, if even then. I know I have sunk more than that into individual pedals over the years, but it wasn't all at one time, so it didn't seem so.

I'm a real bang for the buck guy. If something costs 50% more but does the job I need it to do 100% better, then the latter is a better value. Sometimes the cheapest thing will do the job I need, but sometimes it takes the most expensive. Usually I find myself somewhere in the middle of those parameters.

So, if it gets down to a GT-6b (unlikely to find a deal on GT10b), or a Zoom B9.1ut, it will probably be the one I can find the best deal on. If I go with a ME-50b, it will be because I found the super-duper deal I couldn't turn down. But if a M9 ever falls down to half-price or less, I think I would jump on it. There are some non-fans of every pedal, even the M-series. That's why I started this thread.. To hear from real user/owners/players, and not just cynics or beginners playing in their bedrooms (even though we all started that way).

I appreciate each and every post on this thread. More than you know.
 
#37
I sort of kicked myself for not buying the ME-8b yesterday for $51 (+$15s/h). At least could have gotten my feet wet on a multi pretty cheap. But I'm trying to skip the "tryout for tryout's sake" step by doing my due diligence before purchasing.

I was thinking the ME-8b was pretty simple. Shows what I know. :confused:

:)CD
 
#39
Another ME-8b is up for auction. Looks mint. Ends in five days.
Starting at $25. Last one went for $51.

Scoping out a GT-6b right now. Another one just ended with no bids at $199 starting bid. I'm watching about 25 multi-effects plus others at places besides evilbay. I started out thinking GT-6b, but I have been leaning towards a B9.1ut, a M9 or even a cheap enough ME-50b.
 
#40
kaputsport said:
It is not that it is complex, but it takes time to modify the patch to get what you want.

It is easier than a Digitech RP2000 I know that. Sounds great, with awesome features, but is slightly time consuming to get at first.
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That's one thing I will add about the Zoom B9.1ut (and some of the Line 6 stuff IIRC?). There's PC and OSX editor/librarian software that make patch creation a breeze. One thing I wished Boss had done for the GT6.
 

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