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WARWICK BASSES

I've owned quite a few Warwicks- more than any other make, one of my favorite builders. However, there is a massive difference with the instruments made before 1990. I'll never get anything by them after '90 again, if spending a considerable amount. The newer models could never come close to the older models I owned, especially the neck profile (all the older models had much faster, thinner necks).
 
I have owned and used some wicks. A streamer jazzman, an infinity, a thumb bo 4 and a limited edition 2013 thumb.
They all had the superb craftmanship, but the one
I liked the most was the regular ovangkol bo 4, growly as hell. The worst has been the expensive limited edition thumb. The unusual woods and electronics completely sucked away the common warwick growl, it sounded lifeless and it didn’t work in many contexts.

My suggestion, instead of considering your maximum budget or a streched one, is to try before buy, look at the used market, and keep into consideration that the ergonomics of the thumb are its weak point. They position the upper horn and strap bolt in a unusual position and the fretting hand has to be stretched a bit to reach the first positions. It caused me sone tendinitis and a lot of playing fatigue during long concerts or even songs. I parted with it, a shame, I loved the personality and tone.
 
I'm currently looking to purchase a Warwick bass. This would be my second bass I purchase, the first being a squire P-bass. The reason I picked Warwick is because of the sound, primarily, that brass nut really gives a particular sound, not to forget about the amazing growl they emit.

I play and listen to all sorts of music, my influences are, jazz, salsa, alt, hardcore, but mostly metal.

the models I've been eying are:

Warwick Custom Shop Master-built Thumb BO 5-String
Warwick Team-built Pro Series LTD Thumb BO 5-String
Warwick German Pro Series Thumb BO 5-String Electric Bass

are there people here that can guide me in the right direction? my budget right now is about $3000.00, but if I'm already spending that amount why not hold on a bit longer and get a NECK THRU, but those as you know go from the $3000.00 to the $7000.00

should I wait and save more or what the heck?

any Warwick info, input, experiences will be deeply appreciated.
I can't tell you if you should ssve more or what bass to get.
I would however urge you to play before you buy!
Do not buy one unseen!
 
Warwick -just like any other top brand- produces different models for different tastes. For a long time their Thumb line was the signature bass, but today they cover pretty much everything ...a solid corvette up to a sophisticated boutique instrument such as the Dolphin. Needless to say the prices vary from 'most bang for the buck' up to outrageously expensive
 
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Really important to do your research if you can’t play one before buying. There’s a lot of parroted misinformation, especially regarding the neck thicknesses from which years.

I have a 2013 German Thumb NT 4 that defies many of the facts repeated so often. I found it to have flawless build quality, and a skinny wenge neck.

Some valid points of concern on the Thumb model are, weight, scale length feels even longer due to the body shape, bubinga body wood requires more care than a painted finish, and it’s got a very distinct voice.

Enjoy your journey.
 
The only Warwick that ever tripped my trigger was the mid-late 90's Pro M 4 / LX 4 Streamer platform with the 3 piece wenge neck & fingerboard. Looked like a Spector (cool!) but just felt better on a strap. MEC harness and pups weren't everybody's favorite, though.

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I have bought a Thumb6 BO last year brand new. They are made in Germany and are very well made. The nut isn't made of brass but it is the Just-A-Nut III. I don't feel like the open note are that different from the fretted on this bass.

As of the price ... well depend where you are from but here in Canada a Thumb BO6 cost more than 3k so a Masterbuild start more at 6 or 8k
 
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I've got a Thumb BO 5 and it is an instrument I'd never be without. However, they are very different to a Squier P, but when you know you want a Thumb, nothing else will do - not even another Warwick.

I was actually talking to my brother about the Thumb as a design earlier this evening and it really is a unique bass, it's quite different even to other basses in the Warwick line. The body is small (especially on the BOs), very heavy and the way the weight is distributed gives some people issues with neck dive. THe way it sits on the body means the 1st fret is quite a long way away, compared to where it would be a on a P bass. If you wear a Thumb on a strap, it hangs over to the left of your body, if you wear a Fender P or J it hangs over to the right. I use a Warwick strap, it's pretty wide and grippy and I don't have issues with neck dive. My Thumb is an ovangkol body and neck and it does weigh a lot. Those dense, heavy woods are part of what makes the sound - the way a Thumb resonates when you play it is like no other bass, Streamers, Corvettes etc just don't feel the same.

The pickup postioning on the 5 is a key to the classic Thumb sound too imo, the two single coils slanted and stacked as close to the bridge as possible really helps to emphasise the punch and growl the Thumb is known for. When it comes to growl, all Warwicks growl to a degree but the Thumb is the one that really has the guts and growl more than others, however it's not exactly a versatile sound and you can tame the aggression but never really remove it.

Try to avoid the broadnecks if you can't play one first. They really are huge, brutal things to play. None of the necks are tiny on the Thumbs, But the BNs are massive.

I'd probably aim to buy a used one, there seem to be plenty in circulation and some bargains can be had on second hand basses.

The jump from a Squier to a real German-made Warwick might seem like a big jump, but truth be told, when you want a Thumb there is no substitute. No Streamer or Corvette will do the job.

you can tame one

 
you can tame one



Still sounds like a Thumb to me - the 6s don't seem to growl quite like the 5s (as I mentioned in my post the slanted J pickups close to the bridge are a big part of the sound imo) but it still has that fundamental low mid sound the Thumb is famous for, most noticeable in the low notes in that video. The one in that video did sound comparatively tame and neutral compared. but a Thumb is a Thumb.
 
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Even with the slanted pickups, I can get a flat indistinct sound out of it. Also, I am severely biased.
 
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I bought a Streamer back in 1989 I believe. Always forget if it's the stage I or stage II. It's the PJ version.
Was my only bass for many years. Growls like no other. Recently it's been sitting idle mostly as my EBMM gets most of the gig-time.
Laminated wenge/maple neck through, Bartolini pickups.. Can't speak for any of the "post '90's" instruments but this thing plays like butter. The neck is the most comfortable I've ever played. I like the flexibility of the push/pull active/passive switch. Blend usually favors the bridge pump for that specific growl..


Regards
Mark
 
I'm currently looking to purchase a Warwick bass. This would be my second bass I purchase, the first being a squire P-bass. The reason I picked Warwick is because of the sound, primarily, that brass nut really gives a particular sound, not to forget about the amazing growl they emit.

I play and listen to all sorts of music, my influences are, jazz, salsa, alt, hardcore, but mostly metal.

the models I've been eying are:

Warwick Custom Shop Master-built Thumb BO 5-String
Warwick Team-built Pro Series LTD Thumb BO 5-String
Warwick German Pro Series Thumb BO 5-String Electric Bass

are there people here that can guide me in the right direction? my budget right now is about $3000.00, but if I'm already spending that amount why not hold on a bit longer and get a NECK THRU, but those as you know go from the $3000.00 to the $7000.00

should I wait and save more or what the heck?

any Warwick info, input, experiences will be deeply appreciated.
I would say any Warwick will sound soooooooo good you just have to pick the one you like.
Just like shoes make sure it fits you.
Warwick low end bass is most others HI END BASS.
 
Don't get me started on Warwicks. Heh. I've been lusting after and playing them since 91 or so, my first job in a music store was at a Warwick dealer, and at that time only "golden era" basses were bein made, the bolt ons were just starting out. This was just before the Corvette was introduced, and my first Warwick was an original Bolt-on Thumb, with a Walnut body, maple neck and wenge board. I've owned, played, set up and rebuilt at least a hundred Warwicks since then, but none ever sounded quite like that bass. I was young, traded it for other stuff, and wish I hadn't.
Thumb basses are unique, and all here have listed their weaknesses quite well. I'd also buy used, as prices for the new ones are high, to me. But don't let me be a judge, I think all basses and gear are priced far too high new. The old necks are different, bigger, thicker shoulders, but a piece of info many forget were that those necks were ergonomically designed that way. The reason? The necks are the same thickness from nut to body joint, with a flat space along it's neck in the back for your thumb, promoting proper playin technique, and uniform pressure to fret each note. I love this feature! This feature also keeps mass in the neck, which adds to sustain and a neck that doesn't absorb vibration, but reflects it. Warwick basses are loud acoustically. My 90 Streamer neck is also assymetrical, slightly thinner on the G side.
The nut on Warwick basses is unique, too. I've played all three versions of the JAN, just a nut... The material doesn't matter. The adjustability DOES matter. Getting the nut height right is all the difference in playability of basses. This design, whether brass or "Wiferite", their name for the material used in the JaN II, is great!
I play Streamer basses, now. I never could get used to the narrow spacing of most of Warwicks models. If all I played was narrow spaced 5s, I could. The spacing on 4 string Warwicks is normal. But their 5s an 6s are a bit too tight fer me. I sacrifice some of the Warwick "growl", but the Streamer bodies agree with me better, in balance and weight.
As I, and others, have said, used is the way to go. In a pawn shop here, there are two 4 string Thumb bass 4 strings. An NT and a Bolt. Both in great shape. The NT is $1500 or so, the Bolt is $900 or so, prices vary as to how much cash one is carrying. I've seen 5 strings in this range used, so the prices listed are a bit high. But the basses are worth it. Tonally, there's nothing like em. With Bubinga or Ovankol, maintenance is easy. Dark, hard, oily woods handle the rigors as well, or better, than nearly any painted finish anywhere. You can wax em, but you don't have to. My maple bodied Streamers need waxing to keep their light color, but the darker woods are far more tolerant.
I've also learned the newer basses Warwick is making, on a purely construction level, are superior to the old, handmade ones. Some of the magic isn't there, but the tolerances in construction are WAY tighter than in the old days. Hardware changed awhile, but I couldn't tell a tonal difference. Only weight. The hardware on my old Stage I 5 fretless weighs 3 lbs or more, when I take it off to wax my bass? My bass is so light it is scary. The newer hardware Warwick went to in the late 90s weighs far less, and really had no bearing on sustain or punch. If I were getting a Thumb today? I'd want the heavier hardware. Tho it adds weight? It also helps balance the bass.
And a last word on wenge. Get a wenge fingerboard. That wood, along with the bell brass frets, is the absolute key to Warwick's tone, in my mind. As someone said, wenge is one wood that has a sound, and it's use defined Warwick tone in the early days. If yer getting a fretted Warwick, a wenge board is essential.
There are a ton of variations of these basses. Thru the years Warwick tried a tons of things. No two are quite alike. But I think a Thumb is the perfect second to a traditional fender style bass. Enuff common tonal ground that both can be used in similar situations, but a lot of variation that can cover virtually any gig situation that comes up. A Corvette can do lots a Thumb does, for less cash and better balanced instrument. But the Thumb is an icon for a reason. Hope you find yours.
 
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Absolutely love my thumb bo5. Just an amazing instrument. I much prefer bolt on necks because of that in your face punch they deliver. Got mine used for about a 1000 bucks. Really sounded good for any style that I played. Even country. Definitely gets my vote. I liked the baseball neck, and even the tight string spacing worked just fine.
 
I have read most posts in this thread and honestly it all comes down to personal taste. If everyone liked blue, what would happen to yellow?
Warwicks have a tonal personality that distinguishes them from other basses. The most important things have been stated already.
All I want to say is that I have a personal rule that is "one bass for each sound", and that means that I have a bass for a p-sound, a fretless, a short-scale, etc.. My J-Bass sounding bass is a Tagima TJB-4 that I modded with a J-retro01, custom pickups, a Hipshot kickass bridge and I totally love that bass and it would never have passed through my mind to sell it... until 2 weeks ago when I went to a local store and tried the Warwick GPS Streamer CV.
Man, that bass is pure butter. Super light, great sounding, super confortable neck. I was blown away by the tone. I've placed my Tagima for sale and more stuff and I will buy it new because I can't get it out of my mind, it's one of the best playable and sounding basses that I have ever tried and I think it's totally worth it.
Just my 2 cents...
 
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View attachment 2850609 Absolutely love my thumb bo5. Just an amazing instrument. I much prefer bolt on necks because of that in your face punch they deliver. Got mine used for about a 1000 bucks. Really sounded good for any style that I played. Even country. Definitely gets my vote. I liked the baseball neck, and even the tight string spacing worked just fine.

Did you purchase it a long time ago? I'm shopping for Warwick now and if I saw a BO5 for a grand it'd be on its way to my home. I've been seeing them closer to 2k lately while the 4s are more like a thousand for whatever reason. Would love to score one at the prices I'm hearing in this thread, but as I shop it's looking like a Corvette will be the one.