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Warwick/Spector... Beauty or Blasphemy? Take the Poll

Crown Inlays on a Streamer?

  • Keep em

    Votes: 42 32.6%
  • Peel em

    Votes: 87 67.4%

  • Total voters
    129
The stick-ons make the bass look cheap. Otherwise, you have done a great job. Either way, enjoy the bass!

OP here... Thanks for all the replies. This comment is what I was looking for. I LOVE Spectors Crowns but vinyl certainly does look cheap. This bass is a keeper by all the hand rubbing I put into it, hardware refurbish and with a set of new electronics. Probably stick with EMG for now. It's all I have in my closet anyway but a hi $$ old J.East pre. That pre is special, don't know where it'll go just yet, lol.
So... I've removed the vinyl. Looked cheap AND it's just not a Spector. Yes, I do find the ergonomics similar but just different enough to feel it and lean towards the Streamer as to a Spector.
Thanks everyone!!
 
The first versions of the Warwick Streamer Bass were near exact copies of the NS-Bass.

Wiki says:

Streamer Design similarity to Spector NS-Basses
It was well documented that the first versions of the Streamer were near exact copies of the NS-Bass.

I have one of the first Streamers. #164.

It’s really not an exact copy of a 1979 Spector NS-2, nor a ‘77 NS-1. And very different than what Spector was making in ‘84.

Spectors’ are much thicker through the body, the necks are quite different in their profiles. The silhouettes were very similar, and I understand with a unique body shape like Spector that would be enough to say it’s a copy, but in the hands, they are very different.

In my opinion HPW was very inspired by Spector, but he made many decisions that were very different. “Exact”, while a subjective word, I think is not warranted.
 
So... What do yáll think of the Spector Crown inlays? Beauty or Blasphemy?
Ummm... what crown inlays? I don't see any crown inlays.
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This was my first ever application of inlay stickers. I need to redo this neck. Someday.
 
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Ummm... what crown inlays? I don't see any crown inlays.
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This was my first ever application of inlay stickers. I need to redo this neck. Someday.

I thought Spector called their inlays "Crowns", I could be wrong. All I know is this Warwick will stay a Warwick. No vinyl on this bass. Was fun to try it and read all the thoughts on it.
(I might look into getting actual inlays done of "Planets" from one of their Discontinued sig models, (I believe?).
 
It's pretty commonly accepted in the electric instrument world that body shapes do not constitute IP.

While "Warwick" as a brand may not have existed prior to 1982, the Wilfer lutherie family was operating under the Framus brand name for decades before that, since 1946, when Fred Wilfer established the company, with the Framus Triumph electric upright being made available in the 1950s. It's not like Warwick suddenly appeared on the scene with no history. Aside from a few years in the late 1970s after the original Framus company folded up to the launch of Warwick (and subsequent relauch of the Framus brand) by Fred's son, Hans-Peter, in 1982, the family has a nearly-continuous history in the musical instrument business.

But, it's true that small luthiers like Stuart Spector, Ned Steinberger, and Vincent Fodera (all of whom inhabited the same workshop in Brooklyn in the 1970s) aren't gigantic companies with the reach and ubiquity of brands like Fender and Gibson, whom people copy at will, it's equally true that neither Framus nor Warwick were in the 1980s companies on the scale of Fender and Gibson, and global supply chains certainly weren't what they are today. Even today, a lot of American brands aren't readily available in Europe, and vice versa.

So, yes, it's absolutely true that the Warwick Streamer started out as a copy of the Spector/Steinberger NS-1, and the history of the legal relationship between the two was been well-documented with primary sources citations. It's pretty clear to me that Hans-Peter Wilfer wasn't trying to put Stuart Spector out of business, he was making his own take on a good idea available in a place where it wouldn't otherwise have been readily available.

But, by the 1990-2000s, the Warwick Streamer and Spector NS basses had become very different instruments that just happen to share the same basic outline, and comparing the two is much akin to comparing a Gibson Les Paul and a PRS Singlecut. Over my 25+ years of playing bass, I've played a lot of instruments at a lot of dealers, and all I can really say is, I think that Spector's aesthetic choices don't agree with my aesthetic sensibilities, and Warwick's do.

I'm sure the Spector basses are fine instruments. Some of my favorite players play them. But from the moment I first picked up a Warwick Streamer LX5 is 2002, while trying to decide which Warwick model I wanted to place an order for with Warwick's Custom Shop, I knew that Warwick was the right choice for me. The same dealer was also a Spector dealer, at the time. I can't say that Spector made any other impression on me other then "god that's gaudy", due to the finish and inlay choices—gloss over bright dyes, gold hardware, and those overly large fretboard inlays. Had a Spector NS distinguished itself to me in any other way, soundwise or feelwise, I might be playing a Spector, today.

Ultimately, I decided to go with a Corvette Proline rather than a Streamer LX, because I was ordering a short-scale 4-string fretless, and the Streamer LX4 is a PJ instrument, while the Corvette Proline 4 is a JJ instrument, and I was a Jazz Bass player, at the time. If I buy another Warwick, it will likely be a Streamer CV or a Fortress.

There is one thing I really don't like about Warwick, and that is that their 5-string basses have a very narrow string pitch, and the few models they offer with their "broad neck" option (the Streamer LX is one) have a string pitch that is too wide.

This is virtually identical to the bass I demoed in 2002, except back then, the neck would have been ovangkol instead of wenge, and this one seems to have a slight amber tint to the finish, instead of being natural finish.

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My actual 2003 Warwick Custom Shop Corvette Proline short scale fretless:

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Voice actress and bassist Raychell, who plays LAYER (Wakana Rei) in the multimedia franchise, "BanG Dream!", with her LAYER signature model Spector Euro 4 LX. She's a much better player than I will ever be, and a million times more famous than I will ever be, and if a Spector is good enough for her, then it's good enough for anyone, really.

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If you want one of these, here's one at Ishibashi in Japan for $3400-ish USD:

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And here she is with two more Spectors and her Avalon/Darkglass rig:

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Hi all.
Ok... I love the look, sound and feel of a Spector NS type bass. I've had over a dozen or so. But everytime I end up selling em because of the fret-reach, you know what I'm talking about. Plus my plucking hand falls too far towards the bridge. Thin tone unless I'm paying close attention. The bass just sits too far left

About 6 months ago I was about to buy another Euro but thought, what about a Streamer? There has always been similarities between the two.

I did some checking. Looking, measuring, tonal differences, etc. I've never had a Streamer, plenty of other Warwicks, and have always likes the similarities to a Spector.

I found a '94 BO Streamer that was pretty beat. Fortunately the luthier I got it from did an AWESOME brass fret job and replaced the truss rod. The job is PERFECT, no kidding! But the body left a lot to be desired with a few other things.

Well, here we are in Dec and I just finished 'my' reconditioning. I left the deeper digs for character.
I have a set of EMGX to install with a BQC pre this week. Might consider a US Haz too but the EMG pups are going in.
It plays like a pro-bass should. I took great care to set it up right. It's
fantastic and yes, I prefer the punch of a Bolt on.

So... What do yáll think of the Spector Crown inlays? Beauty or Blasphemy?

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Personally I prefer the clean no inlay look of Warwick. Some of the pearl dot inlays are cool but when it's ebony or Wenge that clean look of the wood is all you need and I think Hans and the guys got it right. Peel em and enjoy the Warwick!
 

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