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Warwick/Spector... Beauty or Blasphemy? Take the Poll

Crown Inlays on a Streamer?

  • Keep em

    Votes: 42 32.6%
  • Peel em

    Votes: 87 67.4%

  • Total voters
    129
That so called perfect Warwick design started as a Spector copy and they were required to pay lincensing fees... :whistle:

Not correct.

The first versions of the Warwick Streamer Bass were near exact copies of the NS-Bass. Warwick paid licensing fees for a while, then changed the design. Warwick currently does not pay any licensing fees to Spector or anyone else.

Wiki says:

Streamer Design similarity to Spector NS-Basses
It was well documented that the first versions of the Streamer were near exact copies of the NS-Bass. The Spector NS-Bass was designed by Ned Steinberger for Stuart Spector in 1977, five years before Warwick was formed.

In the May 2012 article titled "Meet Your Maker: Hans Peter Wilfer of Warwick", an interview with Warwick founder and CEO in Bass Player, the following history is given explaining Wilfer's decision to make copies of the highly sought-after Spector NS-Bass: "'We didn’t see any reason to build Fender copycats, which players could get easily and cheaply from Asia, so we decided to focus only on high-end, innovative instruments.' In the mid ’80s, the Spector NS was tracking well in the U.S., but these basses proved hard to come by in Europe. H.P. saw that problem as a potential solution for the direction of his company and took up the task of designing his own version of this popular, ergonomically friendly instrument. That venture resulted in Warwick’s first widely successful instrument: the Streamer Stage I."[2]

At the annual Musikmesse Show (Frankfurt, Germany) in 1985, Stuart Spector became aware that a new German-based company was producing exact copies of his now famous NS-Bass. Spector, along with Ned Steinberger, confronted Hans Wilfer and he agreed to pay a licensing fee to both Spector Guitars and Ned Steinberger in return for being able to continue to produce the Streamer without legal action.[3]

Shortly after this agreement was reached, Spector was sold to Kramer Guitars. The new owners had no interest in pursuing Warwick to enforce the licensing agreement and Warwick continued to make the Streamer without any consequence.

In 1990, Kramer became insolvent and filed for bankruptcy. In the wake of their financial failure, Stuart Spector formed Stuart Spector Design, LTD. in 1992. In 1997 after a lengthy court battle, Stuart Spector was awarded the trademark and copyrights to Spector and threatened to sue Warwick to enforce the 1985 license agreement.[3]

The pending litigation was eventually dropped because Warwick had changed the Streamer design and it was no longer an exact copy of the NS-Bass. In time, Warwick has evolved the design of the Streamer while Spector has sought to preserve the classic elements of the NS-Bass. Since 1984 very little has changed regarding the design, electronics and hardware of the Spector NS-Bass, whereas the Warwick Streamer has evolved into its own unique guitar and can no longer be considered a "copy" of the Spector,[according to whom?] although it still has some of the general shape of the original.

Words from Spector side
This was from PJ Rubal's email, National Product Manager and Artist Relations for Spector.

"The truth is that Ned designed the NS curved body shape for Spector in March 1977. This was Ned’s first musical instrument design, and an instant hit. Warwick came on to the scene in 1984 with their Streamer bass, a different version of the now very popular Spector NS. When approached by Spector, Warwick did agree to and did pay royalties (for a while) to Spector for their error. Stuart sold Spector to Kramer after that. Warwick stopped paying, Kramer chose not to pursue them."[4]

Spector NS body shape and Warwick - What´s the bottom line?
 
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Not correct.

The first versions of the Warwick Streamer Bass were near exact copies of the NS-Bass. Warwick paid licensing fees for a while, then changed the design. Warwick currently does not pay any licensing fees to Spector or anyone else.

Wiki says:

Streamer Design similarity to Spector NS-Basses
It was well documented that the first versions of the Streamer were near exact copies of the NS-Bass. The Spector NS-Bass was designed by Ned Steinberger for Stuart Spector in 1977, five years before Warwick was formed.

In the May 2012 article titled "Meet Your Maker: Hans Peter Wilfer of Warwick", an interview with Warwick founder and CEO in Bass Player, the following history is given explaining Wilfer's decision to make copies of the highly sought-after Spector NS-Bass: "'We didn’t see any reason to build Fender copycats, which players could get easily and cheaply from Asia, so we decided to focus only on high-end, innovative instruments.' In the mid ’80s, the Spector NS was tracking well in the U.S., but these basses proved hard to come by in Europe. H.P. saw that problem as a potential solution for the direction of his company and took up the task of designing his own version of this popular, ergonomically friendly instrument. That venture resulted in Warwick’s first widely successful instrument: the Streamer Stage I."[2]

At the annual Musikmesse Show (Frankfurt, Germany) in 1985, Stuart Spector became aware that a new German-based company was producing exact copies of his now famous NS-Bass. Spector, along with Ned Steinberger, confronted Hans Wilfer and he agreed to pay a licensing fee to both Spector Guitars and Ned Steinberger in return for being able to continue to produce the Streamer without legal action.[3]

Shortly after this agreement was reached, Spector was sold to Kramer Guitars. The new owners had no interest in pursuing Warwick to enforce the licensing agreement and Warwick continued to make the Streamer without any consequence.

In 1990, Kramer became insolvent and filed for bankruptcy. In the wake of their financial failure, Stuart Spector formed Stuart Spector Design, LTD. in 1992. In 1997 after a lengthy court battle, Stuart Spector was awarded the trademark and copyrights to Spector and threatened to sue Warwick to enforce the 1985 license agreement.[3]

The pending litigation was eventually dropped because Warwick had changed the Streamer design and it was no longer an exact copy of the NS-Bass. In time, Warwick has evolved the design of the Streamer while Spector has sought to preserve the classic elements of the NS-Bass. Since 1984 very little has changed regarding the design, electronics and hardware of the Spector NS-Bass, whereas the Warwick Streamer has evolved into its own unique guitar and can no longer be considered a "copy" of the Spector,[according to whom?] although it still has some of the general shape of the original.

Words from Spector side
This was from PJ Rubal's email, National Product Manager and Artist Relations for Spector.

"The truth is that Ned designed the NS curved body shape for Spector in March 1977. This was Ned’s first musical instrument design, and an instant hit. Warwick came on to the scene in 1984 with their Streamer bass, a different version of the now very popular Spector NS. When approached by Spector, Warwick did agree to and did pay royalties (for a while) to Spector for their error. Stuart sold Spector to Kramer after that. Warwick stopped paying, Kramer chose not to pursue them."[4]

Spector NS body shape and Warwick - What´s the bottom line?
Previous poster didn't say anything different. He never said they were STILL paying licensing fees.
 
Previous poster didn't say anything different. He never said they were STILL paying licensing fees.
"That so called perfect Warwick design started as a Spector copy and they were required to pay lincensing fees..."

He didnt say they werent either. When I read that post , it sounded to me like they were paying fees.

BTW, If we were writing in German instead of English, there would have been no misunderstanding.
 
I’m in the peel them camp. I am biased though, I’ve owned several Spectors and not a one of them had crown inlays, though one did have stickers like these. Couldn’t get them off fast enough. I very much prefer dots and more wood.
 
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"That so called perfect Warwick design started as a Spector copy and they were required to pay lincensing fees..."

He didnt say they werent either. When I read that post , it sounded to me like they were paying fees.

BTW, If we were writing in German instead of English, there would have been no misunderstanding.
No, but there'd be a lot of confusion because I'd be wondering when and how the hell I learned German! :laugh:
 
To each their own, but I'm personally a big fan of blank boards. I'd yank 'em.
Yes, Blank is beautiful!

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All that really matters is whether not you like them.

I prefer a neck that’s as plain and as close to feeling like unfinished wood as possible. I do like having side dots. But when it comes to the fingerboard I prefer it unmarked or with small tasteful dot inlays. I do not like block or other large inlays at all. But that was never a dealbreaker for me if I liked the way a bass played and sounded. Either way, so what? That’s me, not you.

So I say if you like the crowns keep ‘em and enjoy playing your lovely new bass. :thumbsup::)
 
Hi all.
Ok... I love the look, sound and feel of a Spector NS type bass. I've had over a dozen or so. But everytime I end up selling em because of the fret-reach, you know what I'm talking about. Plus my plucking hand falls too far towards the bridge. Thin tone unless I'm paying close attention. The bass just sits too far left

About 6 months ago I was about to buy another Euro but thought, what about a Streamer? There has always been similarities between the two.

I did some checking. Looking, measuring, tonal differences, etc. I've never had a Streamer, plenty of other Warwicks, and have always likes the similarities to a Spector.

I found a '94 BO Streamer that was pretty beat. Fortunately the luthier I got it from did an AWESOME brass fret job and replaced the truss rod. The job is PERFECT, no kidding! But the body left a lot to be desired with a few other things.

Well, here we are in Dec and I just finished 'my' reconditioning. I left the deeper digs for character.
I have a set of EMGX to install with a BQC pre this week. Might consider a US Haz too but the EMG pups are going in.
It plays like a pro-bass should. I took great care to set it up right. It's
fantastic and yes, I prefer the punch of a Bolt on.

So... What do yáll think of the Spector Crown inlays? Beauty or Blasphemy?

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I like PRS birds
 
I have both, a Streamer Stage I and an SSD Czech Republic made version of the NS-2, what Spector now calls a Euro.

I did not vote in the poll as there was no carrots option and I dislike malformed TB polls. And honestly i would have voted carrots because the stickers are a matter of taste, and can take them or leave them. If you like them OP keep them on the bass.

I am surprised you feel the ergonomics are different between the two basses, I notice mine being very similar, with the biggest difference in the necks.

As for hand positioning I can switch between them and muscle memory remains intact. Which does not happen on my Fenders, I have to think carefully about where the 7th and 9th frets really are when go back to the Fenders!
 
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I'm 100% in support of modifying basses to suit our individual needs as players. That said, the crown inlays are a signature Spector feature that is purely aesthetic, so personally I would not apply them to a Warwick. No moral judgement, just a matter of preference.
 
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Not to beat a dead horse, and only bringing this up in case you really don't know the reason why...

They are compared because Warwick started out as a Spector copy - there were some legal issues, then there was some settlement to pay Spector, then they weren't paid, then back to court it went. Something like that.

Suffice to say, Warwick made enough changes from the original over the years to be it's own thing, but you can still see a similarity in general body shape, so there's that. And of course, some people incorrectly think it's the other way around, that Spector copied Warwick so that gets the Spector fans worked up.

As for the OP, clean fretboard looks great as is, you don't need no stinkin' markers! :)

I'm aware of the history. I just don't understand why people care so much. It doesn't directly effect my life, so It doesn't matter to me.
 
Looks way better without them.
Well...
Firstly; no "Carrot" option = no vote from me. Sorry, but I'm a staunch Carrot Party man...;)
Next; I have to agree with Tanner5832. Honestly... those are supposed to be crowns? They look like almost-amorphous blobs to me... Really big - much too big - amorphous blobs. Abalone dots would be cool; small Jazz Bass style block inlays would be about as far as I would go. But, if those... things... or nothing - is the only choice? It's not really a choice AFAIC; it has to be "nothing"...:cool:
 

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