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Warwick streamer stage - please advise?

I have been buying, selling (worked at a Warwick dealer back in 89 or 90), and enjoyin Warwicks since I started playin seriously. I've owned a ridiculous amount of them over the years, my first bein a Thumb Bolt-on 5, with a maple neck, wenge board and Walnut body. The Warwicks back then had removable aluminum rods. I found out the hard way, broke mine, and had to replace it. Warwick necks at that time were suspect for having twists, or warpage, and the rods they used weren't up to the task. They made a steel replacement, I learned how to replace them, and thus began my bass tech education.
Cut to the present and I currently own two today. Both Stage I. A fretted 6 from '04, and a fretless 5 from '90. I have played and worked on hundreds of Warwick basses. My friends in town have a few as well, I suppose if we gathered? I'd have ten or twelve very fine examples from all eras. There are myths about Warwicks, there are truths. If you are buying a Stage II from back in the day? Check its truss rod for adjustability, making sure its neck responds to adjusting. I've had a few friends with truss issues and the newer ones do not have removable rods. It can make for a heavy disappointment. I've had more Stage IIs cause disappointment than any of their models. All that is from my tech side, but there is another...
The player in me loves Warwicks. The feel. The sound... I saw Norwood Fisher playin a fretless Thumb, thus my first purchase. The Thumb basses, live, fought me. Tight string spacing, neck heavy construction. Small body. I loved my Thumb, but fought it so hard. I sold it, then bought it again, then sold it. I tried the Neck Thru Thumbs, Fortresses, every model except the top two, which my boss would never order. The Streamers. I got a chance at an old Streamer Bolt, previously owned by a friend who had "made it" big and was an endorsee. It was converted to fretless, and it cured every one of my issues with Warwick. It was balanced. It sounded like a Warwick, but thicker and infinitely more versatile. The string spacing still irked me, tho, so I moved to Stage Is. My First was a 90 fretted 5. And I really haven't looked back. The Streamers are different animals than other Warwicks. Bigger bodies and slightly different neck shapes change the tone and playability significantly for me... Like others here, I suggest a little more variety. Today, Warwick is much more than just their Thumb design. Many will argue the Streamers are just Spector copies, except they aren't. I've played Spectors almost as long as Warwicks, and they may resemble each other aesthetically, but feel and tone are wholly different. Different issues come with differing years, as in my 04 Stage I 6 had tuners that have issues. I bought better ones and played it. Different versions of their Just-a-Nut exist. The early ones are my fave, but they all work well. The Bolt On basses of the late 90s to late 2000s had slightly thicker neck dimensions, but my old 90 Stage I has a pretty thick, D shaped neck with very square shoulders, similar to the late 90s bolts. It feels great. Weight was always another concern for some. Both my Streamers weigh less than my Deluxe Jazz 5, and my 6 weighs under 10lbs. Tho I love all Warwick models and years, even the Rockbass fretless 5 was great, beating up on a few Fenders and Lakland I've played. Cheers to you, man. For discovering somethin a little later in life that brings you so much joy. Some of us here have become quite jaded, your enthusiasm has done my heart great. Thank you.
 
My dearest community,

I am writing this from the footsteps of an overseas hotel, completely insomniac at 4am, an in need of advise. I have been lurking talkbass for a while (although silent), learning and enjoying the sense of community and knowledge from y'all.

A little background prior to the topic of discussion that will be: "thoughts on buying a Warwick Streamer Stage II that I absolutely do not need?"

I started playing bass +10 years ago... first bass: Ibanez SR200, wife's gift. After a few unsuccessful attempts at playing the bass consistently as a hobby (never in a band, been an intermediate guitar player for +20 years) I went back to playing bass intermittently, 2 years ago. I got myself a nice entry level Warwick Corvette (China made, 2013) 5 strings. Loved it compared to my Ibanez, and then went on to get a fretless, same thing.... loved the sound of the wicks.

I am a physician in the US in my 40s, and with little time to play. that said I thoroughly enjoy those few moments I can rock out. Just by chance and partially driven by the looks of it, got myself one of them thumb BOs (4 string, bubinga). Fell in love. Love. That sparked my interest on different sounds and I went on to a few stores to try the fenders, ricks, musicmans, and other high ends just to find out that wood/wicks did it for me. The feel, the sound, the growl....

To make the long story short, after a year I ended up with a few warwicks on the rack:

1) RB corvette active, fretless, 5 strings (my first wick had to go, wife was about to kick me out)
2) Fretted BO thumb 4 strings
3) Infinity TCS 5
4) Thumb BO 5
5) Thumb BO 5 fretless
6) Thumb BO 6
7) Thumb BO 6 fretless
8) Alien standard 5

Amps and cabs don't do it for me yet, as I need to keep the glass in my house intact, and wife happy. I am likely to get something better than my Fender rumble 100 as I try one that does it for me.... (looking into the BC300.... and the rumble 100 was another gift from wife!)
I am well aware that playing a 1.5K bass through a Peavey 35W or a Rumble 100w doesn't make sense (or justice) for higher end basses, but cut me some slack on this one, working on it.

I have been thinking on buying a Streamer Stage II used for 2.5K, used. I cannot try it as it is an online purchase.... although I doubt it will not be loved as well as all the other members of my warwick family.

I have exercised plenty of restraint by not buying foderas, Rybskis, Alembics, etc so that's not the issue.

So the question for all those bass guitar connoisseurs out there is: go for it as it is an awesome sounding piece of equipment that I will not regret buying (I reckon it is a personal decision - broad strokes here), or is it too much of a bass guitar for a non professional/gigging bass player?

I reckon that streamers stage IIs are top of the line warwicks and I am curious to try it out..... worth shelling out approx 2.5K?!

Penny for your thoughts, and constructive criticism is always appreciated.

Regards,

G

what no Dolphin?

if you ever decide to dump the Alien give me a shout.
 
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Also the Fortress Flashback is really cool if you can find one.
 
Yes, the Streamer Stage II is exactly what you need. :hyper: You've obviously got the Thumb thing covered! Probably the nicest Warwick I've ever played was a 1990 Streamer Stage II four string. I think this one had something special going on too. The story goes that it was hand picked by Hans Peter Wilfer for the original owner (they were childhood friends). And the guy I knew who owned it wouldn't sell it even though he only played 5 strings.
 
Check its truss rod for adjustability, making sure its neck responds to adjusting. I've had a few friends with truss issues and the newer ones do not have removable rods. It can make for a heavy disappointment. I've had more Stage IIs cause disappointment than any of their models. All that is from my tech side, but there is another...
The player in me loves Warwicks. The feel. The sound...

Isn't this the truth!! I will always be a Warwick guy. No other basses measure up, in my opinion. But after purchasing several used Warwicks only to end up disappointed because of repeated neck issues, I have determined to just buy as new as I can get it. But new is VERY expensive. I wish that Warwick would come up with a removal truss rod system once again.
 
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Isn't this the truth!! I will always be a Warwick guy. No other basses measure up, in my opinion. But after purchasing several used Warwicks only to end up disappointed because of repeated neck issues, I have determined to just buy as new as I can get it. But new is VERY expensive. I wish that Warwick would come up with a removal truss rod system once again.

I don't mean to bash Warwick in the least. After years away from them, I recently acquired my two and just like the original poster? I became an enthusiast all over again.
I agree with you, tho. If yer gonna be an enthusiast? Heh, ya gotta take the truth, good or bad. Some older Warwicks had neck issues. Some. The company went above and beyond in developing the steel replacement, and warrantee replacements were provided. A bunch of folk have differing feelings, but I love the basses. My 90 and my 04 are very similar tonally, despite totally different electronics packages. The 04 is built like a tank! The 90 is solid, but it has its flaws. It doesn't matter. Both basses make me happy in their tone and performance. But be wary. Check older necks and rods thoroughly. Due diligence. And one other thing. To the OP... have you heard of the Dolphin Pro I? It hasn't been mentioned, but if you've become an enthusiast of Warwick, you'll be incomplete til you acquaint yourself of its legend. Some love it, some hate it. But the old Rosewood Dolphin was a unicorn of mine forever. I never have played one.
 
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Love for FORTRESS ONE!!!


I have been addicted to my Fortress basses for 20 years. Here is my '95 fretted Nirvana Black.. I have a (my first Warwick) Blue '94 fretless fortress 5 too.. Love'em- the early --all wenge neck-one's were the best.. Plays like butter and the sound is growl heaven.....And Nirvana
 
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Loved my 'Wicks- I have rehabbed many, big fan of the oldest ones (anything after '90 or so never did it for me). NT only.
Some thoughts- you want to make sure you wax fairly regularly, and keep them in a humidity controlled environment.
These instruments are usually unfinished, and the years take their toll heavily upon them. The expansion/ contraction can wreak havoc. I don't play them anymore because of the climate instability.
Once again, i've rehabbed many because of this- when buying, look for laminate separation at the butt of the instrument below the bridge, as well as the headstock cap- those are the first spots to see signs of issue.
There are finished ones out there, hope to pick one up one day.
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rehab in action- beeswax/ lemon oil treatment as described by Warwick (this one has a lot of laminate issues, needed glue injections and sanding) it was a mid 90's i think '94? 6 string
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'90 thumb nt 4
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Here's an '89 6 that needed massive rehab, came out beautiful:
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A few pics of the type of cracking/ lamination separation that can occur over time without proper care:
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I was a Warwick junkie once....i think i had about the same number as you at one point but i think it total might have had 12-13. i'm down to one now for sentimental reasons, but since moved on to be another "W" junkie......

Warwick basses are great gateway basses......kinda like mj!! :rolleyes:
 
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my wife will chop off my earlobe If she was to find out that I shelled out 5k on a custom
you may want to go back to "lurking" here on TB --- if she finds out you're hanging with all of these TB GAS addicts, she may chop off more than an earlobe!

never owned or even played a warwick: but this place 'makes' me want to check them out! ha! good luck!
 
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you may want to go back to "lurking" here on TB --- if she finds out you're hanging with all of these TB GAS addicts, she may chop off more than an earlobe!

never owned or even played a warwick: but this place 'makes' me want to check them out! ha! good luck!

take a hit, whats the worst it could happen?
 
you may want to go back to "lurking" here on TB --- if she finds out you're hanging with all of these TB GAS addicts, she may chop off more than an earlobe!

never owned or even played a warwick: but this place 'makes' me want to check them out! ha! good luck!

I dont wanna. I feel like the kraken, released. very good advice though, I should.... cant. definition of addiction.:bassist::bassist:
 

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