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[Phil Smith]

As unconstitutional as it sounds saying no to a random search has been successfully used as probable cause for a search many times.

Okay, so what's you're point?

I find it amusing how the majority of the posters to this thread, with the exception of the palindromers, are harping on the notion of someone going through great pains to be anonymous and they are posting with handles.

 

[Moo]

Okay, so what's you're point?

The constitution is dead.

Who are the palindromers?

 

[Diggler]

As unconstitutional as it sounds saying no to a random search has been successfully used as probable cause for a search many times.

I would like to see case law for this. I call BS.

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If The Police Ask To Search Me, My House, Or My Car, Do I Have To Say "Yes"?

No. You can refuse the police permission to conduct a search. Remember this - the only reason the police officer wants to perform a search is for evidence of criminal activity, and the fact that he is asking reflects an expectation that he will find some. You are entitled to say "No." If the police officer has the legal authority to perform the search, he will do so whether or not you agree. However, if he does not have the legal authority to perform a search, your consent gives him that authority.

During an investigative stop, or a traffic stop, a police officer may ask if he can search you or your car. However, if you give the police officer permission, he can perform the search even if he otherwise had no legal authority to do so. Some people don't know, or forget, that they have an "open" bottle of liquor in the car - a bottle with the seal broken, whether or not the cap is off. Sometimes, people have knives or other weapons which can be classified as illegal "concealed weapons." Sometimes, people forget that they have contraband in their cars, such as illegal drugs, or find to their chagrin that their teenaged child dropped a marijuana cigarette in the car. Unless you are the only person with access to the interior of your car, you may be in for a surprise if you grant permission for a search.

Never give consent. Also, never answer questions without council if you are being investigated... their job is NOT to help you out in that circumstance, they are trying to build a case.

 

[Chunk-O-Funk]

Who are the palindromers?

The two Bobs

 

[Diggler]

Handles are different than what we're talking about. Handles are a nickname; using proxies and actively taking steps to cover identities is a different thing altogether.

 

[Moo]

I would like to see case law for this. I call BS.

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Never give consent. Also, never answer questions without council if you are being investigated... their job is NOT to help you out in that circumstance, they are trying to build a case.

Hi, I know what the law says but lines like "when I asked if I could search the car he looked at the trunk and got all nervous" have been allowed in courts as reasonable cause. Basically if you find something it "proves" your suspicions were right. Who you gonna believe? The cop or the druggie funding terrorists? The first season of Cops showed a violent takedown following a decline to be searched stating by refusing he was interfering with an investigation and therefore they could search him. You can search the net for hundreds of other examples. It's a law but it's practiced as much as innocent before proven guilty is.

 

[Moo]

The two Bobs

That works I was looking at user names.

 

[fenderx55]

Frankly, I don't really care who knows my name, I close with it all the time. Fenderx55 is just what i use on everything so it makes life easy when remembering user names.

And yes, loading from a DVD is rather painless... but are you seriously gonna take out your hardrive, etc, etc to check out what the terrorists are saying (presumably in Arabic, which i'm gonna go ahead and assume you don't speak)? I guess you wouldn't have to take out your hard drive but, without taking the effort to hit the back button, I don't think taht's what you said the first time.

I've been using mac since my parents first got a computer like 10 years ago or w/e it was, and even though OS8-9 were pretty shaky, X is a dream and I've yet to deal with a virus/spyware/something worse than needing a new battery ::knocks on wood::. So you'll excuse me for not worrying too much about who's watching me; keeping in mind I'm prety much on facebook and talkbass exclusively.

-Chris Cona.

 

[Diggler]

Hi, I know what the law says but lines like "when I asked if I could search the car he looked at the trunk and got all nervous" have been allowed in courts as reasonable cause. Basically if you find something it "proves" your suspicions were right. Who you gonna believe? The cop or the druggie funding terrorists? The first season of Cops showed a violent takedown following a decline to be searched stating by refusing he was interfering with an investigation and therefore they could search him. You can search the net for hundreds of other examples. It's a law but it's practiced as much as innocent before proven guilty is.

The thing is that you REALLY need to know what your rights are, when they can search and when they can't. You can't guess. Also, don't act nervous when you get pulled over. Stick to your guns and you'll be inconvenienced a bit and get to see his face get all red when you refuse to give him consent. They know they can't do it but will try to intimidate you into a search. Don't fall for it.

If more people knew their rights, the alleged incidents such as you describe would become far less common.

 

[Phil Smith]

Handles are different than what we're talking about. Handles are a nickname; using proxies and actively taking steps to cover identities is a different thing altogether.

I think when you register for a discussion board whether you really care or not you use a handle because you don't feel comfortable using your real name.

There's nothing at all wrong with preserving your anonimity on the net. It's also not a big deal to maintain your anonimity if you have the technological capability and know how. If YOU don't, then yes it could be a big deal for YOU.

 

[guy n. cognito]

The thing is that you REALLY need to know what your rights are, when they can search and when they can't. You can't guess. Also, don't act nervous when you get pulled over. Stick to your guns and you'll be inconvenienced a bit and get to see his face get all red when you refuse to give him consent. They know they can't do it but will try to intimidate you into a search. Don't fall for it.

If more people knew their rights, the alleged incidents such as you describe would become far less common.

Bingo.

On two seperate occasions, I have been asked by police for permission to search my car. On both occasions, I politely said no. In both instances, I was allowed to leave without any harrassment.

 

[Phil Smith]

And yes, loading from a DVD is rather painless... but are you seriously gonna take out your hardrive, etc, etc to check out what the terrorists are saying (presumably in Arabic, which i'm gonna go ahead and assume you don't speak)? I guess you wouldn't have to take out your hard drive but, without taking the effort to hit the back button, I don't think taht's what you said the first time.

-Chris Cona.

The assumption was made that there was something wrong with visiting these sites that news reporters are "getting" their qoutes from. There is nothing wrong with that whether you can read arabic, have access to translators or not.

It's not a big deal to surf the internet anonymously and offered up one of many ways that it can be achieved that do require a tremendous amount of effort, provided of course you have the know how and the resources.

And you're right you don't have to take out your hard drive, but if you did, it wouldn't matter, most Windows based laptops that can boot from a CD can also run from that CD.

 

[guy n. cognito]

I think when you register for a discussion board whether you really care or not you use a handle because you don't feel comfortable using your real name.

There's nothing at all wrong with preserving your anonimity on the net. It's also not a big deal to maintain your anonimity if you have the technological capability and know how. If YOU don't, then yes it could be a big deal for YOU.

Yes, but isn't making yourself easily identifiable AND using your real name, while taking extraordinary steps to protect your anonimity kinda a contradiction?

 

[Phil Smith]

Yes, but isn't making yourself easily identifiable AND using your real name, while taking extraordinary steps to protect your anonimity kinda a contradiction?

The steps may seem extraordinary to you in the same way that playing to tens of thousands of people may be extraordinary to some but common place for others.

It's not a contradiction it's a choice that one can make as to when and if they want to be anonymous or not.