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Weird one - Forbidden to use in-ear monitors....

what, no iphone monitor control so they can do it they damn selves?

Exactly. Playing live became fun again the minute I had an iPad with my monitor mix in front of me, and IEMs. I CAN HEAR EVERYTHING. Anyone who still complains about IEMs when they can run their own monitor mix has other issues.

I recommend: use the snare mic instead of the drum overhead, there's less bleed and it's easier to lock in, picks up the hat better too.

I mean, without IEMs, well, it's OK. I'm fine with unspeakably loud stage volume as long as the band is fine with me wearing ear plugs and always singing somewhat badly at the same volume and completely ignoring any requests to adjust my bass rig volume in a downwards direction. My bass rig sounds great wound all the way up, mostly. Oh I'm sure it sounds awful out front, but if I'm wearing ear plugs and past caring about that, and I'm just having fun being loud, so it's OK. Sorta.

OK Sorta. But not.

(apologies to Ryan Adams.)

Oh yeah, and I'd just walk. Situation sounds like it would have violated my "zero drama" policy quite some time ago.
 
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In my experience, stage mothers are a nuisance and usually a good manager will find a way to get rid of them, while keeping the prima donna happy somehow. If the stage mother is the manager, you're really screwed. He/she may not know what they're doing, but may insist on being the boss, regardless. Of course he refers to a couple others who complained; guys like this never have the guts to make a point without making it it seem like others are backing them up. Call his buff; ask who is complaining, and then ask them what they think, not what he thinks they think.

"Non negotiable" raises my hackles, too. Completely tactless. Another flag raised.

At first glance, it looks like these few people are ruining a good band, but that comment about something unmentionable that transpired earlier keeps me wondering what this is really all about. Sounds like you're working pretty hard for this band, and not being appreciated. Maybe they just don't like you.

I've experienced this kind of situation myself, and quit the band as soon as the manager/father tried to bully me the first time.

I'd let everybody in the band know what happened, then quit, in a non-negotiable kind of way.

Tom
 
When you are all 60 and having a conversation with your hearing aids and trying to find aural relief from the tinnitus you will remember why you wanted to use IEM's and the "communication with the rest of the band" wasn't as important as it seemed at the time.

I'm only 50 and part of the way there.
I am just 54 but my hearing ist still ok I guess. Maybe be because I am playing with
earplugs since more than 20 years.
 
Nothing is going to compare to the sound of IEMs. Nothing. So nothing that I say here will compare sound-wise with that.

However... I've taken to use certain earplugs as being the only one trying to use IEMs in my main two bands sometimes results on me looking like a diva, and on other bands I sometimes play it's just not practical.

I'll still keep talking about IEMs, but meanwhile when I don't, I found finally some earplugs that I'm very happy with. And I'm very surprised at that.

In second place... I got some custom moulded ones made by ACS in the UK. They cost me something like £120 after some promotion, they're a little more usually. I went for their 17db filters which were the flattest response of the set, incidentally.
They work well. I don't *love* them but they work well. They allow enough sound in to not feel too isolated and feel reasonably natural. They sound better than the million and a half other earplugs I've tried over the years.

In first place... a £25 set of earplugs called Isolate. The ones that are just a block of metal and a foam plug. Now, I was very sceptical. They made no sense to me. But a few people I know used them and liked them. I thought they were a little ignorant. One of my guitarists used them too... and he also liked them. And one day, against what my brain was saying, I bought a pair as I figured they'd at least be useful when we go on minitours and have to share a room with the heavily snorer guitarist.
Well, they cut a LOT more sound than any others. It's a bit confusing at first, but you get used to it quickly. For some reason, you still get a nice amount of treble in, and it seems that maybe they block low rumbling lows or something... I don't know what it is, but I can hear everything pretty clearly, and my bass as well, it sounds tight as if I used some kind of HPF onstage. I used to play a lot in this venue with a very boomy stage, where we ended up sounding way too loud for it and terrible terrible sound. Now I am very happy playing there.
I know, you'll read the blurb and say "what a lot of garbage". I did too. But they're cheap enough to give them a try.
I prefer IEMs, of course... but these are second best for me. I just show up and loud volume is never a problem anymore, I can hear everyone and myself clearly in any stage... They always travel with me. They've literally saved a gig for me, where I was ready to quit because of the stupid volume levels that made monitoring really difficult for me.
I was another with nothing to lose except my hearing. I was finding sometimes the Etymotic ones wouldn't cut it when it gets stupid loud and I would get a little ringing after a long session. Tried the Isolate metal ones from Indigogo. What a clear hush on the world!
 
By the way, where's the O.P.? He/she wrote the first post, then seemingly bailed. Maybe the father/manager actually told him "Hey, finish what you started for once!".

Tom
What, because I'm laying low and considering the responses and my own feelings, now you smell a rat? "For once"??

Whatever...
 
Since I am using IEMs almost exclusively since beginning of this year I am getting similar complaints from my band. My drummer has summarized it within his statement: "When you play with your amp, you are playing for the band. When you play with IEMs, you play for yourself." Of course the sound of IEMs is much better, focussed and defined, but as I became or less isolated from the stage sound, I lost somewhat of musical communication with my band. Atm I got back to where I was before using my amp on stage to improve musical communication and performance on stage but I need a better solution for monitoring too. I still have no idea how to solve that dilemma. Maybe I will add ambience drill holes to my IEMs.

This makes little sense to me, respectfully. The point of in ears is to be tighter with the band because you can hear everything (and even have your bass a little louder in your personal mix without messin 'with the stage volume).

To the OP, Your singer uses them but they don't want you to ? Weird.
 
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If I was hearing that carp I would insist that the people with the problem would tell me to my face. That would be non- negotiable. I would then load up MY p.a. and find or start a band with adults. It would seem that they need you a whole lot more than you need them.
 
"By the way, where's the O.P.? He/she wrote the first post, then seemingly bailed. Maybe the father/manager actually told him "Hey, finish what you started for once!".

Tom
What, because I'm laying low and considering the responses and my own feelings, now you smell a rat? "For once"??

Whatever..."

Geri O


Sorry Geri O, sometimes my sense of humor gets out of bounds. Actually, I sympathize with you in your situation and wish you luck.

Tom
 
When you provide the PA do you also run the FOH sound from the stage or do you have someone doing FOH and you just do the stage mix??

If you are in fact doing the FOH sound how is that possible with IEM's? I have never used them so it may be possible, i'm just not sure how.

As for the other band members, how hard is it to ask politely for changes to their monitor mix using their mic. It's what they would need to do in any scenario when the FOH sound guy is also doing stage sound.

And as others have said, you're booking gigs and providing PA...... it's your gig.
 
"By the way, where's the O.P.? He/she wrote the first post, then seemingly bailed. Maybe the father/manager actually told him "Hey, finish what you started for once!".

Tom
What, because I'm laying low and considering the responses and my own feelings, now you smell a rat? "For once"??

Whatever..."

Geri O


Sorry Geri O, sometimes my sense of humor gets out of bounds. Actually, I sympathize with you in your situation and wish you luck.

Tom

Sorry here, Tom. Thanx for the sentiments. I'm still prickly around the edges with this. The fact that I haven't fired off an email or a phone call to the whole bunch today is telling on me. As bad as this is grating on me, I guess I'm hoping for a better outcome. But the old saying applies...."wish in one hand, $*** in the other, and see which hand fills up first".

I've read everything, can't argue with anything said. Didn't realize that it would run 5 pages worth, but I see why. Bottom line...I believe in the young lady's songs and ability and dearly want to stay, but not at the expense of my hearing. It's no secret that if she were to hit it big (neither she nor anyone is expecting that, we just want to play), none of the band, all in our 50s and 60s, would stand a chance to move up with her.

Seriously, guys, I think I will show up at the next gig with the ears and announce that they can be taken or left and prepared to stay or leave. Most of our gigs are opening shows for bigger acts, but when we do our own show, I provide the production. And I book a lot of those non-opening gigs.

And if it doesn't work out, there's still two horn bands, an R&B band where I sub a lot and church. Which will be fine.

Thanx for all the thoughts, no doubt.
 
Sorry here, Tom. Thanx for the sentiments. I'm still prickly around the edges with this. The fact that I haven't fired off an email or a phone call to the whole bunch today is telling on me. As bad as this is grating on me, I guess I'm hoping for a better outcome. But the old saying applies...."wish in one hand, $*** in the other, and see which hand fills up first".

I've read everything, can't argue with anything said. Didn't realize that it would run 5 pages worth, but I see why. Bottom line...I believe in the young lady's songs and ability and dearly want to stay, but not at the expense of my hearing. It's no secret that if she were to hit it big (neither she nor anyone is expecting that, we just want to play), none of the band, all in our 50s and 60s, would stand a chance to move up with her.

Seriously, guys, I think I will show up at the next gig with the ears and announce that they can be taken or left and prepared to stay or leave. Most of our gigs are opening shows for bigger acts, but when we do our own show, I provide the production. And I book a lot of those non-opening gigs.

And if it doesn't work out, there's still two horn bands, an R&B band where I sub a lot and church. Which will be fine.

Thanx for all the thoughts, no doubt.
Sounds like you're way overworked and much under appreciated.