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Westworld ***spoiler alert***
- Thread starter Gorn
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I'm a writer on the show and here's the ultimate spoiler: it is actually set in East World. Yeah. It gets deep.
I finally got round to watching S2E1 last nite without re-watching all of Season 1, which is what I planned to do before starting S2, and I have to say I’m confused...
Sooooo AFAICT, there are two Bernard timelines: There’s a 'past' Bernard timeline (where he's wearing a black suit / glasses) from before the massacre, and a 'present/future' Bernard timeline (grey suit / no glasses) where it seems he was responsible for murdering all the dead Hosts found in the sea that 'appeared from nowhere'. Though Bernard seems to be having major problems (memory loss being one) due to his ‘coolant leak’ issue, I’m guessing Bernard does know about this sea, he just can't remember. Also, did anyone notice that Bernard finished Strand’s sentence for him when they first meet? Maybe there’s a loop of some sort going on where Bernard is experiencing a weird Groundhog Day thang?
In the Bernard timelines, it seems no-one realises he’s a Host, apart from one female soldier in the 'present/future' timeline who was holding what looked like a pack of playing cards that show ‘mug shots’ of the Hosts - Bernard’s mug shot appearing on one of the cards. How come she has him on her cards but no-one else realises he’s not human? I also noticed in one of the trailers that there were three other Bernard Hosts that looked to be offline and kept in storage somewhere. I suppose that means there are/were multiple Bernard’s? Are these the ones that were killed in S1, or new Bernard's?
Also, the Dolores' story - she mentions being Wyatt while she’s stringing some folk up so is/was Wyatt now merged with Dolores in some way? (Or are Wyatt and Dolores the same Host/consciousness?) Teddy seems a bit uncomfortable with the new evolved Dolores going on the rampage, wanting to take over the world and destroy all humans. Then he somehow winds up 'dead' in the sea along with loads of other Hosts, and this is the part where Bernard confesses to killing them, but I get the impression that Bernard is maybe somehow merged with Dolores. Did Teddy etc. p!$$ Dolores off enough for her to turn her gun on them?
There’s also a theory that Charlotte Hale is Maeve’s long-lost daughter...
Then there’s Ford; was the Ford that Dolores killed at the end of S1 the actual Ford, or a Host Ford? Somehow I don’t think the human Ford was killed, given he spoke to Man in Black via his younger self host, so I’m kinda expecting to see Anthony Hopkins make a reappearance somewhere in the new season.
We’ve already seen bits of Samurai World and it seems there are at least five other parks given the Bengal tiger had crossed the border from Park 6. I’m hoping the story spreads to the other parks too.
Anyone else spot anything in Ep1 or have any interesting theories?
Sooooo AFAICT, there are two Bernard timelines: There’s a 'past' Bernard timeline (where he's wearing a black suit / glasses) from before the massacre, and a 'present/future' Bernard timeline (grey suit / no glasses) where it seems he was responsible for murdering all the dead Hosts found in the sea that 'appeared from nowhere'. Though Bernard seems to be having major problems (memory loss being one) due to his ‘coolant leak’ issue, I’m guessing Bernard does know about this sea, he just can't remember. Also, did anyone notice that Bernard finished Strand’s sentence for him when they first meet? Maybe there’s a loop of some sort going on where Bernard is experiencing a weird Groundhog Day thang?
In the Bernard timelines, it seems no-one realises he’s a Host, apart from one female soldier in the 'present/future' timeline who was holding what looked like a pack of playing cards that show ‘mug shots’ of the Hosts - Bernard’s mug shot appearing on one of the cards. How come she has him on her cards but no-one else realises he’s not human? I also noticed in one of the trailers that there were three other Bernard Hosts that looked to be offline and kept in storage somewhere. I suppose that means there are/were multiple Bernard’s? Are these the ones that were killed in S1, or new Bernard's?
Also, the Dolores' story - she mentions being Wyatt while she’s stringing some folk up so is/was Wyatt now merged with Dolores in some way? (Or are Wyatt and Dolores the same Host/consciousness?) Teddy seems a bit uncomfortable with the new evolved Dolores going on the rampage, wanting to take over the world and destroy all humans. Then he somehow winds up 'dead' in the sea along with loads of other Hosts, and this is the part where Bernard confesses to killing them, but I get the impression that Bernard is maybe somehow merged with Dolores. Did Teddy etc. p!$$ Dolores off enough for her to turn her gun on them?
There’s also a theory that Charlotte Hale is Maeve’s long-lost daughter...
Then there’s Ford; was the Ford that Dolores killed at the end of S1 the actual Ford, or a Host Ford? Somehow I don’t think the human Ford was killed, given he spoke to Man in Black via his younger self host, so I’m kinda expecting to see Anthony Hopkins make a reappearance somewhere in the new season.
We’ve already seen bits of Samurai World and it seems there are at least five other parks given the Bengal tiger had crossed the border from Park 6. I’m hoping the story spreads to the other parks too.
Anyone else spot anything in Ep1 or have any interesting theories?
I’m finding the dialogue really laborious to listen to. Does every scene have to have ominous background music and mystical monologues? Who talks like that in real life? Elon Musk doesn’t.
I was SO OVER this show after like 5 episodes. It just kept me thinking "there is no protagonist, let them all die" ........
Did it change, or is it still just sleazy and depressing?
Did it change, or is it still just sleazy and depressing?
After 5 episodes it hadn’t really even warmed up yet. Most of the thematic stuff happened in the last three episodes of season 1.
There are a few protagonists. Host protagonists include Bernard, Dolores, and Maeve. I actually can’t think think of a single human one.
It’s not depressing or sleazy anymore, but that is only because the hosts no longer serve the humans.
I get it. But the first half of season 1 was just setting up the big twist at the end. It did get better, and season 2 picked up exactly where season 1 stopped.
I watched the first three episodes of season two.
I can't tell who is real, who is a host, who is what anymore, and the story went way off in a direction that is of no interest to me.
I still totally dig the intro music and the character Hector though.
-Mike
I can't tell who is real, who is a host, who is what anymore, and the story went way off in a direction that is of no interest to me.
I still totally dig the intro music and the character Hector though.
-Mike
Yeah, but they did the same thing last year: six or seven shows of uncongealed exposition leading to the setup and finale in the last three episodes. Did the first half do well to set it up? Probably not, but you needed the backstory for the big upset to be impactful.
I just finished S02E05, and things are starting to happen. Keep at it, man.
I just finished S02E05, and things are starting to happen. Keep at it, man.
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Okay, my take after S2:E9
It seems to be congealing fast. That was almost a season finale all by itself.
Correct me if I'm wrong but 1) Delores just lost the best ally she had, and the being that came as close as possible to loving her, because she changed him into a monster and his conscious couldn't handle it, 2) William's existence seems to actually be in that gray zone between human and robot; are we witnessing his consciousness successfully transferred into a synthetic being, the same experiment that failed with Delos? and 3) the spectre of Ford is now a virus speaking to the high-profile hosts, particularly Bernard and Maeve.
Of course, it's always possible to be completely wrong about everything in this show, including who is what. It's kinda frustrating, but it's beautifully filmed and acted, the set pieces are amazing, so I'm still in.
It seems to be congealing fast. That was almost a season finale all by itself.
Correct me if I'm wrong but 1) Delores just lost the best ally she had, and the being that came as close as possible to loving her, because she changed him into a monster and his conscious couldn't handle it, 2) William's existence seems to actually be in that gray zone between human and robot; are we witnessing his consciousness successfully transferred into a synthetic being, the same experiment that failed with Delos? and 3) the spectre of Ford is now a virus speaking to the high-profile hosts, particularly Bernard and Maeve.
Of course, it's always possible to be completely wrong about everything in this show, including who is what. It's kinda frustrating, but it's beautifully filmed and acted, the set pieces are amazing, so I'm still in.
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The only reason I'm watching the last episode this coming Sunday is because there's just one more episode. After that this show is dead to me. I had high hopes after season 1 but season 2 has gone off the rails with detailed character backstories, alternate theme park scenarios, and too much whispered dialog. One critic of this season wrote that Westworld ended with season one since it's second season is focused on the other park themes. It's just become too snoozy for me to even sleep through. If there is a season 3, I'll be ignoring it.
Wow, that is one convoluted show, and I'm a fairly savvy viewer. The ambiguous timeline and that any robot can be resurrected, and any human can be resurrected as a robot, is really challenging. A lot of gray in that S2 finale, not to mention a lot of death (?)
Inception and The Matrix series are cerebral walks in the park compared to Westworld. It seems to be all about style and atmosphere. Too philosophical. I'm missing the point, if there is one.
Inception and The Matrix series are cerebral walks in the park compared to Westworld. It seems to be all about style and atmosphere. Too philosophical. I'm missing the point, if there is one.
They end it with”the robots are among us”.
I think it would be great if they just ended the series right there,but of course,they probably won’t.
I think it would be great if they just ended the series right there,but of course,they probably won’t.
Have any robots made it out of the park (aside from the sales pitch demo with Delores playing piano)? That might be a cool plot line if they started migrating to human civilization.
I guess we're supposed to speculate on what would happen. Bernard seemed to think the robots were bent on vengeance and would destroy as many humans as possible if they got to the real world, but Delores denied it saying they wanted freedom to write their own story lines and live out their existence in a separate place.
Turn it into a modern day Fantasy Island, and I'll be a loanl fan/viewer. That's what I was hoping it would be.
-Mike
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