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#21
G43 said:
we have tried one cab, but if we go that way you will only hear a bit of guitar, a bit of bass and lots of drumms. When you add the other guitar cab, you can really notice that it sounds much better, not much louder, but more pressence, i dont know if im explaining myself, my english sometimes its a bit confussing. Sometimes we use ear protecction, because of the drummer, hi is so damm loud... we want to change the drumm setup to something smaller instead of his tama huge setup (he uses the biggest size avalible).For the moment if we want that full tone guitar sound, we need two cabs, and the only one that lacks tone and a bit of volume, pressence and deffinition is me. MY AMP SUCKS, laney sucks, no tone, no shape no deffinition, no pressence, just boom and clack clack whe twiter is switched on.
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By the rating you've given for your amp, I'm assuming it's a Laney B1 right? F-in great amps. Martin Mendez used to use them and he sounded sweet as live. My mate also picked one up on Ebay, pumps it through a Berg HT-322. Tone for days. Maybe you need to learn how to use the EQ properly.

BTW your band members sound like a pack of wankers to be honest. Tell them to sort out their volume issues so you can hear yourself, stop trying to fight their output.
 
#22
G43 said:
we have tried one cab, but if we go that way you will only hear a bit of guitar, a bit of bass and lots of drumms. When you add the other guitar cab, you can really notice that it sounds much better, not much louder, but more pressence, i dont know if im explaining myself, my english sometimes its a bit confussing. Sometimes we use ear protecction, because of the drummer, hi is so damm loud... we want to change the drumm setup to something smaller instead of his tama huge setup (he uses the biggest size avalible).For the moment if we want that full tone guitar sound, we need two cabs, and the only one that lacks tone and a bit of volume, pressence and deffinition is me. MY AMP SUCKS, laney sucks, no tone, no shape no deffinition, no pressence, just boom and clack clack whe twiter is switched on.
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First up, why don't you plug your laney in to some 410's/610s & 810s at your local bass shop? At least that will give you an idea as to whether you need to replace the amp as well as the cabs. 750w is a fair bit of power, with the right cabs it may get the job done. Even if you can just get by with the amp for a while you can spend more on the cabs now and replace the head later. Sticking with the same cabs and replacing the head isn't going to fix the issue, imo.

Your band mates need to understand they are in a band. It's fine to have a huge kit and smack the heck out of it. The guitar may well sound better thru the two cabs. But what does the band sound like when the whole lot is put together? My guess is, a huge roaring mess. I'm not being rude. The idea is for the band to sound good which means taking account of the other players (and the audience!). Do they even notice that they can't hear the bass player? Either way, you don't seem to matter enough for them to consider playing more quietly. Each individual just making the biggest, loudest sound they can isn't going to work. imo.
 
#23
its actually laney b3, and I know quite well how to use an EQ, in fact we run a studio, link to band´s site and hear recording to hear our quality, isnt amazing, but its just fine. Ive heared other gear and they sound much better than my laney, wich really lacks of tone no matter how you mess or not with the EQ, and thats something I dont want to do, whatever suits me, wont need messing with eq, it shall sound good flat.
I just wanto to get two 4x10"cabs,that isnt really that big, common, some people even use two 8x10" cabs and things like that, im not pretending to buy something ridiculous! for a metal band, using two 4x10" cabs isnt that much, isnt exagerated at all. We are a loud band, but not exagerated. Maybe the drum kit should be smaller but I dont think using 2 cabs is too much. And just the same for guitars, we arent playing jazz or rock and roll, we play metal and is normal to see metal guitar players using two cabs. So please stop saying we stopidly loud and exagerated cuz we arent, just average metal band...
Im using this combo which has 2x10" plus 1x15" and thats not enought, no matter the tone... BTW I use a warwick corvette pro line normally with new strings (DR strings) and it kicks ass, so isnt the bass at all.
And thanks for calling my band mattes "pack of wankers", thats pretty polite and educated... if you dont like our music, its ok, but please dont disrespect us like that, I came here for advice.
thanks
 
#24
Sounds like you should get rid of that drummer.
Still , 210 aint 115 wont cut through thoose volumes your talking about , if you really want (or need ? soundmen most hate your band ? ) get a 810 or 412 cab.
 
#25
El kabong, thanks for your advice, but Im not keeping nothing about Laney, the head and cabs, are all toguether, and toguether are going to leave my studio. Im going to buy a power amp and a pair of cabs 4x10" thats all. I cant try any stuff at my local dealer cuz they dont have nothing interesting, just a few small amps... and very expensive, Ill buy my stuff in an internet dealer with better prices
 
#26
rodl2005 said:
+1 just what I was gonna say!!! Either a SVT CL/VR head & 8x10 cab OR A MARSHALL VBA400 tube amp & either its 4x12 or 8x10, Or wot I got- Fender BASSMAN 300PRO Itll EASILY drown out the GTRx 2 & have plenty of Volume to spare- U might find as I did - that tube amps seem to cut thru the mix better & not only are heard more clearly but are felt far more too:hyper: I play in a LOUD band & I haven't had to turn mine up past 5 on Master & channels.:help:
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or an SVT with a marshall 810 ;) works for me!
 
#28
G43 said:
its actually laney b3, and I know quite well how to use an EQ, in fact we run a studio, link to band´s site and hear recording to hear our quality, isnt amazing, but its just fine. Ive heared other gear and they sound much better than my laney, wich really lacks of tone no matter how you mess or not with the EQ, and thats something I dont want to do, whatever suits me, wont need messing with eq, it shall sound good flat.
I just wanto to get two 4x10"cabs,that isnt really that big, common, some people even use two 8x10" cabs and things like that, im not pretending to buy something ridiculous! for a metal band, using two 4x10" cabs isnt that much, isnt exagerated at all. We are a loud band, but not exagerated. Maybe the drum kit should be smaller but I dont think using 2 cabs is too much. And just the same for guitars, we arent playing jazz or rock and roll, we play metal and is normal to see metal guitar players using two cabs. So please stop saying we stopidly loud and exagerated cuz we arent, just average metal band...
Im using this combo which has 2x10" plus 1x15" and thats not enought, no matter the tone... BTW I use a warwick corvette pro line normally with new strings (DR strings) and it kicks ass, so isnt the bass at all.
And thanks for calling my band mattes "pack of wankers", thats pretty polite and educated... if you dont like our music, its ok, but please dont disrespect us like that, I came here for advice.
thanks
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WOW,
Some kind of volume for stage!
Having done pro sound I can definitely say bands like yours are a soundmans worst nightmare.
You did ask for advice, so the folks that said for you all to work on your stage volume have given you good advice. The idea is to have enough sound to hear yourself on stage and then let the mains give that sound to the audience. It doesn't matter if you are metal, R&R, blues, or country. Still the same.
But if that is what you all want to do then by god you should do it. I say get you a plx3402 and a RBI. Run a Ul410 or other of your choice off of each side of the plx3402.
If that don't shake them walls nothing will.
 
#29
I'm sorry I don't much to add in the way of gear suggestions....but please allow me to give a little advice.

I'm 31 years old. I was in an alt-rock band in college (everyone was in the mid 90's) and we didn't wear hearing protection. I competed against a 100 watt Sovtek 4x12 and a 50 watt 2x15 Fender Bassman. I pushed 160 watts into a 4x12 myself. Our drummer had a good bit of control. We played near-full volume practices a few nights a week for about a year and a half and gigged a few times per month. Our "full volume" was probably nothing compared to what you're doing right now. Nothing.

Yet, still, I have hearing problems. My left ear rings loud enough to keep me awake at night. In a crowd, I can't separate or "filter" the voice of the person talking to me. I can't impress upon you how much I regret this.
My hearing is most likely ruined. RUINED. As in, screwed for the next 50 years. I'll be asking people to repeat themselves for the next FIFTY YEARS.

All this damage in a situation where my 160 watts head through a 4x12 was just about enough. Dude. You're already probably playing at insane levels. I understand you don't want to hear this. I understand that your situation and the amount of equipment you use at practice is far from unique in the music world. I understand that you just want enough power to punch through. I know you hear this crap from everyone....but understand I have the best intentions when I say this: TURN THE F### DOWN BEFORE YOU GO F###ING DEAF.

Mike
 
#30
I'll also say PROTECT YOUR HEARING.
There is no way to fix tinnitus, and when it's really bad, it's serious torture.
Get professional earplugs from an audiologist immediately, tell the other guys they have to turn down, and if that doesn't work, find a new band.
I'm not trying to be melodramatic here... you'll be very, very unhappy if you damage your hearing, and it sounds like you and your bandmates are using arena-worthy volume levels in a practice space. Not good.
 
#31
Thanks for getting worried about my ears, we also do, as I sayd, sometimes we wear it, but then its never the same, no matter if we spend 60€ in quality ear taps, you always loose sound quality. But I admitt im getting def... thats why we want the drummer to change his setup yo something smaller.
We are loud, but not Insane, we use now that we are missing one guitar player just two cabs, so that isnt loud at all, I mean, how many bands have 2 cabs 4x12´´ on stage? ok it happens when they have two guitar players, but its the same, so istn that mad, right? I´ve seen a thousand bands with that setup. So please, note that we arent that mad!
About what bebass sayd, on stage I just go D.I. out of my preamp, and guitar players only use on of the cabs, and in small places where no sound guy and no PA (which seem to happen a lot in Spain...) they take all cabs and thats when my sound lacks tone and volume, same as rehearsal, my laney not enought. Thats why I want a powerful amp to handle this situation, but I dont know if is better to use one 4x102 plus one 18" or 152 to get the deep low end or either use two 4x10" cabs, I dont know if I can get the low end with only 10" drivers. My favourite options are MarkBass, Eden and EBS or GenzBenz. I preffer Epiphani, EA or PJB and all those boutique cabs, but here are to expensive.
As I cant try any of this and never had the chance to hear two 4x10" quality cabs toguether and full powered I need ou guys to advice me.

THANKS again
 
#34
infect said:
Wow, I love volume and all, but that's ridiculous. Boost the mids, cut some of the low bass frequencies, maybe add a little overdrive/distortion, and patch through the PA for some volume support. Your original rig should be enough. :bassist:
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if you have to fight with your EQ it means that that amp isnt your amp, so my laney is not my amp.
Its quite loud, but, as Ive sayd before, it doenst sound good, its boomi, undeffined, no tone... I need something louder with TONS of tone, pressence and deffinition.
I will use the basseballbat againts my laney as soon I get a new rig
 
#35
I've battled the Screaming Guitar Meanies and won. Those who play with good PA support for the bass maybe don't understand what it's like to be caught between that and a loud band that won't learn easily how to turn down. So I just made sure I had a rig that could keep up or even mace 'em into submission. So get some decent full-range hearing protection and a couple of 410 cabs and let 'em know there's a new sheriff in town! Sometimes this will actually result in them learning some consideration and you will rarely have to reach for the obliteration knob.
 
#36
I recently joined a band where everyone is somewhat consious of the levels. I can get different tones now, instead of 1. Before, in my old band we played too loud and I struggled for volume/tone. I have a GK 200RB and 8-10 cab for that band, but my new one, I can use a 100 watt V-4 head and a small 2-15 or 1-15 cab.

I wear cotton in my ears ALWAYS!!!!! ALWAYS!!!! ALWAYS!!!, even at practice. I also have tinitus and hearing loss. It is usually the drums and guitars that will hurt you, not bass volumes. Tell these guys that your doctor told you to quit the band, and that you may have to if they are not willing to turn down......
 

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