what do I need to break throught?

[snowdan]

stop the isanity.

now.

 

[Masher88]

if you have to fight with your EQ it means that that amp isnt your amp, so my laney is not my amp.
Its quite loud, but, as Ive sayd before, it doenst sound good, its boomi, undeffined, no tone... I need something louder with TONS of tone, pressence and deffinition.
I will use the basseballbat againts my laney as soon I get a new rig

I don't want to come off as condescending, but have you changed your strings, or tried a different brand lately? It can make a world of difference! Maybe go from nickle to stainless...or vice-versa? Maybe you need a new battery for active pickups if you have them?

Dude, you better tell us that you are playing stadiums. I can't imagine why any guitar players would need full 8x12" stacks!!!! I have been in metal and punk bands for close to 18 years now and 4x12" guitar cabs (1/2 stacks) were always way more than enough. WAY MORE THAN ENOUGH!!!! Plenty of volume to where the amps were always turned down to under 4 on the gain and master knobs. Sometimes even turned down to 2. At this point they weren't even driving the tubes to get good tones!!!!

100 watt tube guitar heads are stupid. They only make them as a marketing ploy OR they are lying about the wattage! I have a friend that works for Dr. Z amps. He made a 38 watt head for his rock band. It's ear splitting loud through a 2x12 cab. He started out by using a 50 watt Marshall Plexi amp, but it was even way too loud. And, yes they are a super loud band onstage. So loud that sound men tell them to turn their cabs backwards!!!

I like it loud, too (thus my choice of amps and cabs...see my signature) and I'm always competing with loud guitars and heavy hitting drums, but full guitar stacks are just plain idiotic.

I think the drum situation is fine. No need to make him buy smaller drums, you'll just lose the powere from your band. A heavy hitter is always better than a guy barely making the heads ring. But your amp should be able to keep up with the drummer and the guitarists need to realize that they are all supposed to play together, not outshine the others! If it's the coolness factor of having a full guitar stack...make them unplug one of the cab and only use half of it, but keep it onstage for looks!

Also, realize that the audience hates watching you play. Even if they like the tunes...they'd rather hear it from outside the club!!!!!

 

[alexclaber]

A drummer that listens and plays with you rather than over you. And then guitarists that also listen and play with you.

Can anyone hear the singer at all?

Alex

 

[dougjwray]

A drummer that listens and plays with you rather than over you. And then guitarists that also listen and play with you.

Can anyone hear the singer at all?

Alex

Oh yeah-- the singer! Forgot about him.
Here he is:

 

[uly_]

My advice: go real ****ing deep!! Boost lows and low-mids! I played in a metal band where I was playing finger-style. Only way I could cut through 2 guitar players w. 2x12" screaming was to go so low that the carpet was flapping

That's just how I hear it after listening to your music.

 

[G43]

hahah, well you can hear some of the vocals, If you bother to listen to our music, thats exactly how its sounds in our rehearsal, just much louder, for sure it could sound better, but none of us has ever studied nothing related with studios our sound enginering, and we compose, play, record and mix our own stuff.

Back to our issue, what plays over the rest are the drums, two 4x12" cabs with a marshall tube power amp turned half way up are just matching the drumms sound, so Im shure that two cabs sound better toguether than one, is not a volume fact, is more about the pressence of the sound, it sounds a bit bigger, but really, not much of a difference between 1 or 2 cabs, so I dont think you guys should make an issue about it, the guitar is just fine. Our problem are the drumms, its what makes our studio shake, he plays in a massive huge monster way that we need 1200watt power to get the voice heared. So if the guitar turns down and switches to one cab, no more guitar...
So what I want is something to match the drumms more likely... and about the ear protection, Ill definitely buy some good ear plugs (again), so thanks for the advice.
And for the amp, Ill go to two 4x10", but, which brand? <<<< Thats what this post is about!!
Thanks again to everyone that posted here

 

[G43]

Uly, thats exactly what I mean

 

[cheezewiz]

My advice: go real ****ing deep!! Boost lows and low-mids! I played in a metal band where I was playing finger-style. Only way I could cut through 2 guitar players w. 2x12" screaming was to go so low that the carpet was flapping

That's just how I hear it after listening to your music.

Then right after you do that, start up the "frequent speaker replacement club", because you'll be a charter member.

 

[davidmurphy]

As I mentioned earlier, I'm one of the countless idiots that has left themselves with a constant ringing in their ears cos they didn't like the sound with earplugs in.
Therefore, I can't judge you, as a musician, for not wearing earplugs.

HOWEVER, anyone that is 'running a studio' & treats their ears that badly needs a slap upside the head.

I seriously hope none of you have anything to do with mixing side of the studio.

 

[greenboy]

It took me awhile to get used to using the ER-20 plugs. But it actually made it easier to sing decently regardless of monitor mix levels, and it made the rig I was closer to more dominant in what I was hearing - and is definitely a huge improvement in over cheap foam disposables or wadding in the ears - in that treble and midrange clarity was not so indistinct and muffled.

 

[G43]

In fact, we do our mixing, you can hear the recordings and judge yourself.
But you are right, we must take care of our ears, I will since, now, so you can say you have helped me, as greenboy and the rest of TB´s.

Thanks

 

[dougjwray]

What brand of 4 x 10s?
I'd say you couldn't go wrong with Eden or Ampeg. Some people seem to like the Peavey ones, but I'm not sure about those.

 

[Masher88]

Sorry for the crude photoshopping...done quickly.
I'm guessing this is what you need to compete!!!!

 

[bassguppy]

get a Crest CA12, that's about 1200 @ 4ohms stereo, then get 4 Eden 4-10 XLT's. Run it with a preamp of your choice.

CA12 about $1000.00, 4 Edens about $2500, preamp from $100 to $700. That rig would make them melt.


Now in reality get yourself a good projecting 4x10 and burn their 4x12 cabs. make them get at most a 2x12 each. use the cabs as dummies. It will probably sound a lot better.

play for sound quality NOT quantity.

 

[spideyjg]

Sounds like y'all need this first if the drummer is the volume driver.

Jim

 

[Jim Carr]

Sorry for the crude photoshopping...done quickly.
I'm guessing this is what you need to compete!!!!

Now all you need is 2 pickup trucks.

Seriously, look at using two Eden 4x10 XSTs (1000 watts rms@8 ohms and 95 lbs (43 kg)).

You will need lots of clean power, so a good preamp (Alembic, Fender or maybe Ampeg) with a Crest CA12 or perhaps a CA9. A rack, a handtruck, connectors, and custom fit earplugs, also called "musicians earplugs." Go for at least -25 db filters in the earplugs and have your ears tested twice a year. Carry a spare poweramp. Maybe keep your old one for that. Good luck!

 

[Masher88]

Sounds like y'all need this first if the drummer is the volume driver.

Jim

Definitely!!! What are those called...Gobo's or something?

 

[CrackBass]

clip the speaker leads to all but one speaker in each 412. then practice in a bigger room. hard hitting drums in a small room are over bearing and almost impossible to compete with. a bigger room will make the drums more managable. you will kill yourself trying to play that loud in a small room. if a bigger room is not available set him up in the hall. that doesn't work, close the door. that doesn't work, fire his ass and find someone who can play, not just bang.

 

[spideyjg]

Definitely!!! What are those called...Gobo's or something?

Drum Shields

I just did a search for drum shields and that site popped up. Doesn't matter where they get it but sounds like they need that first and foremost.

As far as not liking the sound with hearing protection, tough noogies. Protect it now or lose it for the rest of your life. It is an absolute no brainer.

Jim

You can do this as well...

 

[Deleted member 79588]

Before you beef up your rig, consider this - you may already be breaking through and not know it. The sound waves for lower tones literally take some space to develop, so while you may not hear much of your bass on stage or near your amp, you may be projecting powerfully to people standing a bit further away.

+1

We were playing a show in an oddly shaped, narrow bar a few weeks ago and I could hardly hear myself onstage, but one of my friends said the bass was way too loud, I was like *** but then I walked out there with my wireless and found out the truff