Am I the only one who doesn't have an edit button under my posts?
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What Happened to the Edit Button?
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Jim Carr
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Two requests about 24 hours ago for edits to the post quoted above have resulted in no action, so I felt it best if I offer the following edits, reflecting essentially what I requested.
I wish to change the loaded words "a disgrace" to the more precise and less emotional phrase "a serious mistake by Talkbass." I apologize for any offense that may have been caused by my emotional words.
I have found this "edit time limit" change upsetting and disappointing. I have relied on being able to rethink my words posted on talkbass, and an hour is often not long enough for me to come back and make the needed changes.
In addition, still feel strongly that the quality of information offered by long-time members will suffer under the current one hour edit time limit policy. I sincerely hope I am wrong.
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Because they seemed far more like a completely transparent tactic of ratcheting up an ongoing public protest against the site policy than a sincere desire to change a few words in a particular post.
Again, we encourage members to consider their words carefully when posting the first time, and to try not to post things that they feel they will later regret. When something slips through that filter, we would encourage folks to do here what we all have to do in real life: take ownership of what we consider to have been a mistake and issue a sincere mea culpa.
This is the basic principle that our grandparents taught our parents, that our parents taught us, and that we pass down to our own children.
There are exceptions, of course: correcting factual errors and typos in science/technical type posts and the like, which we are always happy to do. But in general, the feeling of the staff when this decision was made was that an hour should be plenty of time to be able to make and proofread a basic forum response.
Jim Carr
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Chris, I sincerely wished to remove my words that may have given offense by referring to the edit time policy with disparagement. I just did not want to leave standing the part that had caused hard feelings. I'm just an old guy who likes to edit/fix my mistakes.
If there is a public protest, I'm unaware of it, but not terribly surprised. I honestly did not try to instigate anything. I was shocked when I discovered the change about 48 hours ago, and probably half my comments came over PM.
My only wish is that the duration of edit time be longer. That clearly is not being considered at this time. So be it. Thanks again.
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Jim Carr
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I'm not sure that it applied universally for a whole year already, but I really don't know the details. Anyway, thanks.
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I think all this "edit" limit will be a - sort of - no matter how you do it, or regulate it, it will cause concern. I e no matter what you do, or say, someone else thinks that you are doing wrong. If you have one hour limit, then it will cause a lot of subsequent replies with brand new posts, with the poster replying to his own un-editable post that "what I really meant was..." and cause a lot of redundant noise. In fact, increasing it by no small amount. No matter what your stance is, trying to buck all things "edit", there will be concessions - that are bad - down the road, anyway.
However, if it should be turn that bad, with members changing and editing out stuff, one always has Wayback machine. I remember one of my colleagues (music) had tremendeous problems having to "google back in time" for finding a statement made by a vendor of cables, to point out that the specific manufacturer had a blog that dissed solderless cables by a great amount, and had valid arguments about it all. Now, since the other post readers couldn't find it, and saying that he was full of it, i e BS, they simply didn't believe him, because of that he couldn't produce a link to it. A YEAR later he find it on the "wayback machine" that had managed to do a timestamp shot of that actual site in the right time, so he could link them to it. Then the bullying stopped by other posters and the thread (about benefits of solderless cables) became silent. The reason the manufacturer had removed that particular blog chapter was that they were about to launch their own patch cables (proprietary) solderless solution. And then could go on about it if faced with some impertinent questions, that "no, we've never written or said that".
There you go. Go figure.
EDIT: What bugs me even more, is that while I was writing the above, I got logged out and must log on again to post my post. Less than 10 minutes. Wasn't like that before.
However, if it should be turn that bad, with members changing and editing out stuff, one always has Wayback machine. I remember one of my colleagues (music) had tremendeous problems having to "google back in time" for finding a statement made by a vendor of cables, to point out that the specific manufacturer had a blog that dissed solderless cables by a great amount, and had valid arguments about it all. Now, since the other post readers couldn't find it, and saying that he was full of it, i e BS, they simply didn't believe him, because of that he couldn't produce a link to it. A YEAR later he find it on the "wayback machine" that had managed to do a timestamp shot of that actual site in the right time, so he could link them to it. Then the bullying stopped by other posters and the thread (about benefits of solderless cables) became silent. The reason the manufacturer had removed that particular blog chapter was that they were about to launch their own patch cables (proprietary) solderless solution. And then could go on about it if faced with some impertinent questions, that "no, we've never written or said that".
There you go. Go figure.
EDIT: What bugs me even more, is that while I was writing the above, I got logged out and must log on again to post my post. Less than 10 minutes. Wasn't like that before.
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Again, it’s been this way for a year or so now.
There has been no big backlash by users, and no big wave of problems caused by it.
There has been no big backlash by users, and no big wave of problems caused by it.
I think the whole discussion on the functionality of the edit button is rather pointless. It's there the way it is 60 min is enough to edit a post to rectify errors.
As a phpbb developer I would suggest to change the functionality after the 60 min timeframe elapsed to a "note" button that simply adds
NOTE: blablabla resolved.
to the end of the original post, of course this can only be used by the post creator.
This leaves ample space for any comments on the original post without violating or changing the original content while in the case of questions/problems the op could effectively mark the post as solved, on the other hand leaving the option of rectifying/explaining any text that might appear unclear during the course of replies. Of course the notes are not editable after adding to the post.
As a phpbb developer I would suggest to change the functionality after the 60 min timeframe elapsed to a "note" button that simply adds
NOTE: blablabla resolved.
to the end of the original post, of course this can only be used by the post creator.
This leaves ample space for any comments on the original post without violating or changing the original content while in the case of questions/problems the op could effectively mark the post as solved, on the other hand leaving the option of rectifying/explaining any text that might appear unclear during the course of replies. Of course the notes are not editable after adding to the post.
That seems more like a browser/cookie issue than a TB issue, but I could be wrong.
Bottom line is the Edit button goes away way too fast. It’s out-of-balance.
Please extend the time! Thank you.
Please extend the time! Thank you.
A vast majority of the site’s 305,338 members have no problem with the 60 minute window.
May I ask how you know that?
Was there a vote?
Was there a survey?
Or are you assuming that because 250,000+ members have not registered an opinion, they must “have no problem” with the 60-minute window.
I don’t buy it.
Silence is not consent.
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The 1 hour edit window has been in place for over a year and only a handful of members seem to have an issue with it. At this point I will imagine that silence is consent, otherwise I would have expected more people to voice their disapproval.
How many statements of disapproval do you need to reconsider the matter?
How long did Talkbass function without the 60-minute restriction?
What problem does the 60-minute restriction solve?
What problem does the 60-minute restriction solve?
That's simply not true. As a supporting member I was able to edit ad-infinitum up until very recently. Otherwise how would I have been able to edit the OP in my recent thread about my legal conunundrum the day after I posted it? It is the entire reason I re-upped my supporting membership a while back.
Maybe the mods didn't realize this. I understand that. I have admined the backend of many forums and I know these things are usually just a toggle on/off for certain groups. Sometimes switches aren't set the way the administrators think they were.
But please, if you wish to have credibility with the supporting membership here, do not keep repeating this falsehood. The members paying your bills are the ones who were affected.
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Maybe a supporting member could have a longer change window?
- What was so bad about unrestricted editing of posts?
- How long did Talkbass function without the restriction?
- What problem does the restriction aim to solve and does it achieve that objective?
- I like being able to edit my posts to correct errors of fact so I don’t end up inadvertently misleading fellow TBers with misinformation.
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