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What is the difference between the different SVT's?

Over the years since their inception in 1969 and through several manufacturers that have been involved in building them , there have been several minor design changes , wiring changes , tube changes , and cosmetic changes. Through all of this one thing is certain. If you like the SVT sound , they all sound incredible.
As to the specifics , there are several people in here that are technically far more qualified than me that can describe these changes. I shall now retreat and allude the the true gurus.
 
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Any time I can use an SVT, I am a happy camper, and I'm not real particular about which kind I get because they all sound basically the same...awesome with minor variations at the most. I have a 69 SVT and a Heritage SVT-CL, but I'm happy to use any of them.

Anyway, SVT's break down into two basic categories...vintage style and classic style. Here's a little timeline...and anything made up until 1992 is vintage style...

1969-71 - Original Bluelines made by Unimusic, 2 channels, 3-position mid selector, uses uncommon tubes, a couple of which are no longer being made and only available as new old stock. The power tubes are actually 6146b transmitter tubes, but the designers soured on them almost immediately, but they kept using them till they ran out, and then they switched to 6550's. Many Bluelines were converted over to 6550's, though mine isn't. Honestly, I can't tell a difference.

72-74 - Original Blacklines made by Selmer. Same head, only the blue etching was replaced with black lettering (a lot cheaper to do).

74-79 - Same design with a different more stylized black lettering made by Selmer/Magnavox.

80-86 - MTI bought Ampeg, shut down production on everything but the SVT and moved to Japan. Heads and cabs were black with white lettering, and the design stayed the same for a little while, but lack of availability for the weirder tubes forced MTI to do a redesign using more common tubes. Surprisingly, I don't think the sound changed at all. Some say the MTI's are slightly more middy than the others, but you'd really have to be sitting there obsessively ABing them to notice.

86 - Ampeg returns to the US, and the 500 Skunkworks heads were made by St. Louis Music. They looked kind of like the MTI's, but were assembled by hand and they sport a couple minor design changes. They sell through these and never make any more.

89-94 - The SVT II comes out. It's a vintage style SVT but it's in a 4-space rack mount chassis, has only one channel, and adds a graphic EQ and a 5-position mid selector, which they've used on all SVT's made since except the VR.

1992-2012 - The single-channel rack mount SVT II Pro is the first SVT to have separate gain and master, plus it has the graphic EQ and a separate drive knob.

1994-Present - SVT-CL. Single channel, separate gain and master, no graphic EQ, mounted in a traditional headbox because of demand from folks who didn't like the rackmount.

2005-Present - SVT-VR. Due to demand for a new head made like the old ones, the VR returns to the two-channel single volume version and a Blueline look, but with readily available tubes.

2010-Present - Heritage SVT-CL. In 2006, SLM sold Ampeg to LOUD Technologies, who at the time had a real idiot in charge. He sent production overseas and rushed out a lot of products that didn't work, alienated many endorsers and customers, and generally just made a mess of things because he had no soul for MI work. They "asked him to resign" in 2008, got a new guy in charge who had as much expertise in MI engineering as he did bean counting ;) improved reliability, and in 2010, they started the Heritage line of amps as limited edition deluxe versions of classic Ampeg assembled in the US. It's the same basic SVT-CL as the imported model, but it has upgraded thicker PCB's, JJ tubes instead of Sovteks in the imports, upgraded cosmetics with this really sexy black sparkle grillcloth, and as of 2013, low profile power tube clamps that replace those big spring clamps (available as an easily-installable retrofit for all CL's and VR's, BTW ;) ).

Many SVT users have their favorites, but I've used them all at one time or another, and I really don't have any favorites. I can get them all to sound like what I want. Seems that with all the updates and revisions it's had, all the different manufacturers had the good sense to keep them sounding and operating very much alike. Cabs, though, are a different story. Most are excellent with the two big standouts being the original SVT 810 flatback with CTS alnicos and the Heritage 810e, but I'm not fond of the cabs from 2000-06 because they're dark and muddy sounding. But I'll take any of the heads.
 
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MIK, Classic, Blueline, Heritage, I'm sure that their are more of them. What is the difference between these amps?

I'm just talking about the all tube SVT. Not the solid state and hybrid stuff.
far too many myths

I checked out a VR svt and I imediatelly felt at home. I had no idea about the tubes inside the amp but the svt sound was there where it should be, like coming of my 70s svt as well.
 
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Yes, in 1980-86, and 2007-currently. Heritage amps are built in the US, but everything else is currently made in China. They sound as good as any of them to my ears, though.
 
There were a number of minor revisions over the blue line years and on. Engineers love to chamge things.

The screen voltage was higher in the 6140B amps than the 6550A ones. It had a slow turn on ballast tube. By the time the 71 rolled off the line, several refinements were made. The 71 still had the two conductor power cord and the four-pin speaker cable. The cabinet even changed, the edges were less pronounced. The back grille changed.

Hello black line revisions. The look changed. The speaker cable was soon replaced by a 1/4" jack on the chassis. They upgraded to a three conducter power cord and utility outlet for safety reasons.

By around 76, the schematic was at revision F.
 
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Any time I can use an SVT, I am a happy camper, and I'm not real particular about which kind I get because they all sound basically the same...awesome with minor variations at the most. I have a 69 SVT and a Heritage SVT-CL, but I'm happy to use any of them.

Anyway, SVT's break down into two basic categories...vintage style and classic style. Here's a little timeline...and anything made up until 1992 is vintage style...

1969-71 - Original Bluelines made by Unimusic, 2 channels, 3-position mid selector, uses uncommon tubes, a couple of which are no longer being made and only available as new old stock. The power tubes are actually 6146b transmitter tubes, but the designers soured on them almost immediately, but they kept using them till they ran out, and then they switched to 6550's. Many Bluelines were converted over to 6550's, though mine isn't. Honestly, I can't tell a difference.

72-74 - Original Blacklines made by Selmer. Same head, only the blue etching was replaced with black lettering (a lot cheaper to do).

74-79 - Same design with a different more stylized black lettering made by Selmer/Magnavox.

80-86 - MTI bought Ampeg, shut down production on everything but the SVT and moved to Japan. Heads and cabs were black with white lettering, and the design stayed the same for a little while, but lack of availability for the weirder tubes forced MTI to do a redesign using more common tubes. Surprisingly, I don't think the sound changed at all. Some say the MTI's are slightly more middy than the others, but you'd really have to be sitting there obsessively ABing them to notice.

86 - Ampeg returns to the US, and the 500 Skunkworks heads were made by St. Louis Music. They looked kind of like the MTI's, but were assembled by hand and they sport a couple minor design changes. They sell through these and never make any more.

89-94 - The SVT II comes out. It's a vintage style SVT but it's in a 4-space rack mount chassis, has only one channel, and adds a graphic EQ and a 5-position mid selector, which they've used on all SVT's made since except the VR.

1992-2012 - The single-channel rack mount SVT II Pro is the first SVT to have separate gain and master, plus it has the graphic EQ and a separate drive knob.

1994-Present - SVT-CL. Single channel, separate gain and master, no graphic EQ, mounted in a traditional headbox because of demand from folks who didn't like the rackmount.

2005-Present - SVT-VR. Due to demand for a new head made like the old ones, the VR returns to the two-channel single volume version and a Blueline look, but with readily available tubes.

2010-Present - Heritage SVT-CL. In 2006, SLM sold Ampeg to LOUD Technologies, who at the time had a real idiot in charge. He sent production overseas and rushed out a lot of products that didn't work, alienated many endorsers and customers, and generally just made a mess of things because he had no soul for MI work. They "asked him to resign" in 2008, got a new guy in charge who had as much expertise in MI engineering as he did bean counting ;) improved reliability, and in 2010, they started the Heritage line of amps as limited edition deluxe versions of classic Ampeg assembled in the US. It's the same basic SVT-CL as the imported model, but it has upgraded thicker PCB's, JJ tubes instead of Sovteks in the imports, upgraded cosmetics with this really sexy black sparkle grillcloth, and as of 2013, low profile power tube clamps that replace those big spring clamps (available as an easily-installable retrofit for all CL's and VR's, BTW ;) ).

Many SVT users have their favorites, but I've used them all at one time or another, and I really don't have any favorites. I can get them all to sound like what I want. Seems that with all the updates and revisions it's had, all the different manufacturers had the good sense to keep them sounding and operating very much alike. Cabs, though, are a different story. Most are excellent with the two big standouts being the original SVT 810 flatback with CTS alnicos and the Heritage 810e, but I'm not fond of the cabs from 2000-06 because they're dark and muddy sounding. But I'll take any of the heads.
Wow. Just wow. :thumbsup:
 
I was watching this video comparing different Ampeg 810s. They use a V4-B instead of an SVT but the "Ampeg Sound" is there front and center.

The 1974 w/ CTS speakers is markedly better sounding than the others. I realize that audio is less than ideal on Youtube but still, the '74 was impressive.
I have "heard" people say that the "Ampeg sound" has more to do with the 810 than the SVT amplifier. Personally I have only ever played SVTs through the 810 so I have no basis for comparison.

Opinions?
 
I was watching this video comparing different Ampeg 810s. They use a V4-B instead of an SVT but the "Ampeg Sound" is there front and center.

The 1974 w/ CTS speakers is markedly better sounding than the others. I realize that audio is less than ideal on Youtube but still, the '74 was impressive.
I have "heard" people say that the "Ampeg sound" has more to do with the 810 than the SVT amplifier. Personally I have only ever played SVTs through the 810 so I have no basis for comparison.

Opinions?

It's very much a magical combination, but when you bust it up into separates, it's still darn good no matter whether you're using only the head or only the cab.

And the 74 cab in that test has CTS alnicos in it, which is unusual for a towel bar cab, but 74 was the transition year and I'm sure Ampeg didn't want their leftover stock of CTS's going to waste.
 
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I was watching this video comparing different Ampeg 810s. They use a V4-B instead of an SVT but the "Ampeg Sound" is there front and center.

The 1974 w/ CTS speakers is markedly better sounding than the others. I realize that audio is less than ideal on Youtube but still, the '74 was impressive.
I have "heard" people say that the "Ampeg sound" has more to do with the 810 than the SVT amplifier. Personally I have only ever played SVTs through the 810 so I have no basis for comparison.

Opinions?


I recently played a supplied back line that consisted of a late '70's Ampeg 810 and a cheaper SS Ampeg amp - I think it was a B2R. It sounded great. I did have my tube SVT-DI going through into the instrument input - but largely the quality of the sound was a result of that thing that thE 810 does. Of course it would have sounded even better with any all tube SVT on top.
 
That was a very pertinent question and very educated answer. Thanks for the info.

Any time I can use an SVT, I am a happy camper, and I'm not real particular about which kind I get because they all sound basically the same...awesome with minor variations at the most. I have a 69 SVT and a Heritage SVT-CL, but I'm happy to use any of them.

Anyway, SVT's break down into two basic categories...vintage style and classic style. Here's a little timeline...and anything made up until 1992 is vintage style...

1969-71 - Original Bluelines made by Unimusic, 2 channels, 3-position mid selector, uses uncommon tubes, a couple of which are no longer being made and only available as new old stock. The power tubes are actually 6146b transmitter tubes, but the designers soured on them almost immediately, but they kept using them till they ran out, and then they switched to 6550's. Many Bluelines were converted over to 6550's, though mine isn't. Honestly, I can't tell a difference.

72-74 - Original Blacklines made by Selmer. Same head, only the blue etching was replaced with black lettering (a lot cheaper to do).

74-79 - Same design with a different more stylized black lettering made by Selmer/Magnavox.

80-86 - MTI bought Ampeg, shut down production on everything but the SVT and moved to Japan. Heads and cabs were black with white lettering, and the design stayed the same for a little while, but lack of availability for the weirder tubes forced MTI to do a redesign using more common tubes. Surprisingly, I don't think the sound changed at all. Some say the MTI's are slightly more middy than the others, but you'd really have to be sitting there obsessively ABing them to notice.

86 - Ampeg returns to the US, and the 500 Skunkworks heads were made by St. Louis Music. They looked kind of like the MTI's, but were assembled by hand and they sport a couple minor design changes. They sell through these and never make any more.

89-94 - The SVT II comes out. It's a vintage style SVT but it's in a 4-space rack mount chassis, has only one channel, and adds a graphic EQ and a 5-position mid selector, which they've used on all SVT's made since except the VR.

1992-2012 - The single-channel rack mount SVT II Pro is the first SVT to have separate gain and master, plus it has the graphic EQ and a separate drive knob.

1994-Present - SVT-CL. Single channel, separate gain and master, no graphic EQ, mounted in a traditional headbox because of demand from folks who didn't like the rackmount.

2005-Present - SVT-VR. Due to demand for a new head made like the old ones, the VR returns to the two-channel single volume version and a Blueline look, but with readily available tubes.

2010-Present - Heritage SVT-CL. In 2006, SLM sold Ampeg to LOUD Technologies, who at the time had a real idiot in charge. He sent production overseas and rushed out a lot of products that didn't work, alienated many endorsers and customers, and generally just made a mess of things because he had no soul for MI work. They "asked him to resign" in 2008, got a new guy in charge who had as much expertise in MI engineering as he did bean counting ;) improved reliability, and in 2010, they started the Heritage line of amps as limited edition deluxe versions of classic Ampeg assembled in the US. It's the same basic SVT-CL as the imported model, but it has upgraded thicker PCB's, JJ tubes instead of Sovteks in the imports, upgraded cosmetics with this really sexy black sparkle grillcloth, and as of 2013, low profile power tube clamps that replace those big spring clamps (available as an easily-installable retrofit for all CL's and VR's, BTW ;) ).

Many SVT users have their favorites, but I've used them all at one time or another, and I really don't have any favorites. I can get them all to sound like what I want. Seems that with all the updates and revisions it's had, all the different manufacturers had the good sense to keep them sounding and operating very much alike. Cabs, though, are a different story. Most are excellent with the two big standouts being the original SVT 810 flatback with CTS alnicos and the Heritage 810e, but I'm not fond of the cabs from 2000-06 because they're dark and muddy sounding. But I'll take any of the heads.
 
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89-94 - The SVT II comes out. It's a vintage style SVT but it's in a 4-space rack mount chassis, has only one channel, and adds a graphic EQ and a 5-position mid selector, which they've used on all SVT's made since except the VR.

1992-2012 - The single-channel rack mount SVT II Pro is the first SVT to have separate gain and master, plus it has the graphic EQ and a separate drive knob.

the svtII and i think the IIpro, have two channels.
"normal" and "bright"
i do think the bright channel loses some magic that the amp has...
 
I wish how the Ampeg 8x10 shootout had a square back 8x10 with CTS speakers and a later 70's 8x10 with Eminence speakers. Supposedly the redesign of the SVT 8x10 from square back to towel bar somehow in its added height and angled rear panels all the 2x10 boxes are still the same volume or something so the speakers react the same. But I just really wanna hear my '78 vs. the best example of SVT 810.