What is this garbage??

[Cliff Colton]

The only garbage I see here is your elitist attitude. You guys (who think this is a crutch or for lazy people) should be ashamed of yourselves, I think this is a great product for people who want to visualize notes on the fretboard. Actually, I wish I used those when I moved from piano to bass, it would've saved me a lot of grief trying to relate fret positions vs notes a lot of the time.

IMO, the member is correct who stated the best method for learning the fretboard is to read sheet music and practice. Visualizing notes on the fretboard is no substitute for practical repetitive application. Bach didn’t write A B C on his piano keys.
[Full disclosure: I don’t know anything about music and I only have 1 Trophy Point.]

 

[NOVAX]

What was today's opening bid on the London exchange per ounce of garbage??

I've got some to offload!!

Do you accept darkweb cyber currency? And, can you ship the garbage to my Nigerian prince cousin who will issue you a cashier's check for the tidy total of one hundred million doll hairs?

 

[InternetAlias]

IMO, the member is correct who stated the best method for learning the fretboard is to read sheet music and practice.

Best for *whom*? And even if this was 100% true, why the hell would anyone bang on the idea of someone doing it in another way? It's absurd, not all people are the same, have the same needs, or learning capacities/ways.

Visualizing notes on the fretboard is no substitute for practical repetitive application.

Yeah, because people who put this on their guitars automatically stop practicing, it's not an "either-or" scenario. It's a simple guide.

Bach didn’t write A B C on his piano keys.

Jaco also didn't need more than 4 strings. Or frets. Hendrix didn't need a lefty guitar or humbuckers, so let's all say it's better for left handed people to learn to use a right handed instrument instead of catering to their very obvious need of playing an instrument they find comfortable and lets burn all extended range instruments, and remove frets from all basses. Oh and remove one coil from each humbucker, because hendrix didn't need them. The only humbuckers we can use from now on are the ones formed by having reverse wound pickups that are spaced out at least half an inch.

Because you know, if Hendrix and Jaco didn't do, want or need something, then nobody does.

 

[jalapejoe]

I would leave them on for a joke and play a gig. LOL or better yet put them on and play a gig LMAO!

 

[Member8675309]

Best for *whom*? And even if this was 100% true, why the hell would anyone bang on the idea of someone doing it in another way? It's absurd, not all people are the same, have the same needs, or learning capacities/ways.



Yeah, because people who put this on their guitars automatically stop practicing, it's not an "either-or" scenario. It's a simple guide.



Jaco also didn't need more than 4 strings. Or frets. Hendrix didn't need a lefty guitar or humbuckers, so let's all say it's better for left handed people to learn to use a right handed instrument instead of catering to their very obvious need of playing an instrument they find comfortable and lets burn all extended range instruments, and remove frets from all basses. Oh and remove one coil from each humbucker, because hendrix didn't need them. The only humbuckers we can use from now on are the ones formed by having reverse wound pickups that are spaced out at least half an inch.

Because you know, if Hendrix and Jaco didn't do, want or need something, then nobody does.

Exactly, if it’s good enough for Hendrix, it’s good enough for me!

 

[NOVAX]

I see the letters, sharps, flats and grids of guitar tablature when I look at the fretboard - I also see the keys of a piano {yes, Killed By Death, especially the natural occurring half steps between B/C and E/F} Sure enough when I play the piano, I see the keyboard tablature as well as the bass fingerboard at the same time - in concert.
I am most definitely seeing things.

 

[Cliff Colton]

Best for *whom*? And even if this was 100% true, why the hell would anyone bang on the idea of someone doing it in another way? It's absurd, not all people are the same, have the same needs, or learning capacities/ways.



Yeah, because people who put this on their guitars automatically stop practicing, it's not an "either-or" scenario. It's a simple guide.



Jaco also didn't need more than 4 strings. Or frets. Hendrix didn't need a lefty guitar or humbuckers, so let's all say it's better for left handed people to learn to use a right handed instrument instead of catering to their very obvious need of playing an instrument they find comfortable and lets burn all extended range instruments, and remove frets from all basses. Oh and remove one coil from each humbucker, because hendrix didn't need them. The only humbuckers we can use from now on are the ones formed by having reverse wound pickups that are spaced out at least half an inch.

Because you know, if Hendrix and Jaco didn't do, want or need something, then nobody does.

Stick to proven methods, son. Fret stickers are a marketer’s come-on to get you to buy their lesson books. Get your nose out of the classified ads and practice your instrument.

 

[Booty Shaman]

Aesthetically displeasing.

 

[InternetAlias]

Stick to proven methods, son. Fret stickers are a marketer’s come-on to get you to buy their lesson books. Get your nose out of the classified ads and practice your instrument.

Can you even read? I never said "don't stick to proven methods", just that not everyone needs or wants the same things, so banging on this is dumb since this is obviously not a substitute for "proven methods", but rather a supplement.

I probably practice my instrument more than you do, and I don't even look at classified ads, stop patronizing people, I am no "son" of yours, thankfully.

 

[Cliff Colton]

Can you even read? I never said "don't stick to proven methods", just that not everyone needs or wants the same things, so banging on this is dumb since this is obviously not a substitute for "proven methods", but rather a supplement.

I probably practice my instrument more than you do, and I don't even look at classified ads, stop patronizing people, I am no "son" of yours, thankfully.

Respectfully, please explain to me how writing A B C on your fretboard helps you learn bass.

 

[InternetAlias]

Respectfully, please explain to me how writing A B C on your fretboard helps you learn bass.

Gladly.

See, I also play the piano. On a piano, you don't need to outline notes because you can see the shapes due to relations of white and black notes. The note "G" will always look the same in every octave, and there's only one per octave since piano is linear, and has no parallel "strings" of notes going on.

On a guitar, however, things aren't the same way. Not only can you find the same note in its octave in multiple places, there also isn't an obvious shape-based outline that'll show you exactly which note would be on a certain fret on a certain string.

Look at it this way: if you zoom in the piano so that you only see 4 white notes total, you will know with 100% certainty which note each of those is. If you zoom a guitar's frets so that you see 4 frets, you will be able to outline their relations but will have no clue which notes those are unless you know exactly which part of the fretboard you're looking at. Inlays are designed to help with this, but they are obviously inferior to having a WBWBWWBWBWBW keyboard outline.

In essence, your question is akin to saying "how does having sets of two and three black notes help you learn the piano". You may not believe in visual aids /feedback in playing, but if so, just play blindfolded, sight is a crutch, after all, how did Ray Charles play? If "blind" was good enough for him, it should be good enough for me, too.

inb4 "remove inlays they are a crutch for bad players"

There's no need to make playing harder than it already is, the notation system we use today was designed to be used for and by keyboards, which show white notes as C Ionian, and not by guitars, which do not show the actual notes clearly enough, but may show relationships between them a bit better in some instances.

Well, playing the bass is easy enough, it's mostly just hard if you want to get really good really fast since that just kind of doesn't happen unless you're madly talented and/or committed.

 

[Cliff Colton]

Gladly.

See, I also play the piano. On a piano, you don't need to outline notes because you can see the shapes due to relations of white and black notes. The note "G" will always look the same in every octave, and there's only one per octave since piano is linear, and has no parallel "strings" of notes going on.

On a guitar, however, things aren't the same way. Not only can you find the same note in its octave in multiple places, there also isn't an obvious shape-based outline that'll show you exactly which note would be on a certain fret on a certain string.

Look at it this way: if you zoom in the piano so that you only see 4 white notes total, you will know with 100% certainty which note each of those is. If you zoom a guitar's frets so that you see 4 frets, you will be able to outline their relations but will have no clue which notes those are unless you know exactly which part of the fretboard you're looking at. Inlays are designed to help with this, but they are obviously inferior to having a WBWBWWBWBWBW keyboard outline.

In essence, your question is akin to saying "how does having sets of two and three black notes help you learn the piano". You may not believe in visual aids /feedback in playing, but if so, just play blindfolded, sight is a crutch, after all, how did Ray Charles play? If "blind" was good enough for him, it should be good enough for me, too.

inb4 "remove inlays they are a crutch for bad players"

There's no need to make playing harder than it already is. Well, playing the bass is easy enough, it's mostly just hard if you want to get really good really fast since that just kind of doesn't happen unless you're madly talented and/or committed.

Your conclusion is incorrect because you are assuming that learning and playing piano is the same as learning and playing bass. Ray Charles doesn’t play bass.

 

[InternetAlias]

Your conclusion is incorrect because you are assuming that learning and playing piano is the same as learning and playing bass. Ray Charles doesn’t play bass.

He doesn't play anything now, since he's dead, but I think you're just trolling at this point, trying to nit pick something that's completely irrelevant to the subject, especially since playing a piano blind is arguably harder. At least in my experience, I can go several songs on bass without once looking at the fretboard, but on piano it's much harder.

It's not the same, no, but a lot of the same principles apply, which would be:

1) Having sight is generally beneficial
2) Having an understanding of both relative and absolute positions of notes is beneficial for both learning and playing the instrument
3) Having knowledge and understanding of music theory/notation is beneficial for both learning and playing the instrument

Also do realize that colored note markers exist on a friggin' harp of all things. But what do I know, it's obvious that all those harp players are no skill lazy bums who just want it easy instead of being hardcore like those who like to live on the edge without markers.

 

[Cliff Colton]

He doesn't play anything now, since he's dead, but I think you're just trolling at this point, trying to nit pick something that's completely irrelevant to the subject, especially since playing a piano blind is arguably harder. At least in my experience, I can go several songs on bass without once looking at the fretboard, but on piano it's much harder.

It's not the same, no, but a lot of the same principles apply, which would be:

1) Having sight is generally beneficial
2) Having an understanding of both relative and absolute positions of notes is beneficial for both learning and playing the instrument
3) Having knowledge and understanding of music theory/notation is beneficial for both learning and playing the instrument

You’re trying my patience now! The only thing you are going to learn by putting those fret stickers on your bass is that adhesive will ruin the finish on the fretboard. Learn to play the proper way and stop this nonsense. You’re starting to sound like a fret sticker salesman.

 

[5StringBlues]

 

[Fredrik E. Nilsen]

Please: if you're not a professional teacher (with some amount of experience), save us the "this is the right way to learn".

 

[fhm555]

When i think about how i spent so much time going up and down one string at a time saying out loud each note as i struck it, then do four frets on the E four on the A then D then G then reverse back through it then move down four frets and do it all over again and how much it reminded me of people who move their lips when they read but i did it anyway and did it and did it and did it.

 

[okcrum]

OMG look at that noob with those garbage helpers!

I am sure he hasn't done anything noteworthy or interesting musically, ever in his career.

Here's the link to the article that goes with that pic, and a quote:

"Did you spot the terrible idea? You have to enlarge the picture, so luckily there’s a better shot. Even if you’ve taken only a little tiny bit of acid, those numbers are going to start meaning *%&^. That will become distracting."

So it's a little different in context.

 

[beaglesandbass]

This is a blanket warning for everyone:

Let people learn the way that they feel helps them. Unless you are the one paying for their lessons, you have no say in the matter. You are welcome to learn using whatever method you want, others are as well. Trust me, other people care about your methods just as much as you care about theirs.

Continuing to talk negatively about a method and/or people using a certain method is trolling and will be handled as such.

Please abide by what we were all taught as kids. If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.

 

[Slevage]

It’s a tool that I wouldn’t recommend to students.

Better methods currently exist.