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What precisely is good about Precisions?

Who here doesn't like Precision Basses?

  • Blasphemy!

    Votes: 180 44.0%
  • I like J Basses

    Votes: 74 18.1%
  • X makes a better Precision (please elaborate!)

    Votes: 17 4.2%
  • Carrots

    Votes: 138 33.7%

  • Total voters
    409
When playing with a band, you may feel differently. Many feel that playing a P by itself isn't that special, but in a band setting, it hits the sweet sonic space that bass is supposed to occupy. The only time my bandmates EVER made a comment about my tone was when I brought an American Standard P to practice. Unsolicited, they thought it sounded awesome - and they wouldn't know a P from a J from a Z, so it wasn't just appearance. This was after playing many other nice basses with the same group over a long period of time.

Also, there's a pretty substantial difference in the feel between a 4 and 5 string American Standard. The 5 is indeed a very big neck IMO.


I normally play 6 and 7 strings so I can play the neck just fine. It just seems kind of an excessive amount of wood for 5 strings. I've had a similar experience that you had with your band with my first Dingwall ABII. Our FOH engineer stopped what he was doing and came up to the stage. I thought something was wrong. He, and the band, then spent the rest of practice praising it's tone.
 
After almost 14 years of bass playing, I finally got around to getting my first P bass. I opted for a U.S. Fender American Standard Precision V. After a few days, I'm kind of hating this bass. While it's not terrible, it isn't that great either. It's not as deep/clear sounding as my other basses, the neck is appropriate for Major League Baseball, and it doesn't record nearly as well as my other basses. I thought to myself, "Maybe it's a dud?" I went down to Guitar Center and found out my bass is largely representative of how they sound / feel. So, I ask you; why do bass players love P basses so much?
I have a four string that's bliss to play. You... Do know... That a fifth string adds size to your neck, right? ;)
 
No. It tells you how that component functions in that specific environment. I have a P and it works great with one amp, cab, EQ setting, and set of pedals. It doesn't work as well with other cabs and pedals, and I've certainly had strings on it that made the whole thing sound awful until I put a different set of strings in it. The other side of the coin is that My Spector sounds less than great if I just plug it right in to the same setup that works with my P. Yet it sounds wonderful with the same amp, EQ adjusted, and a different cab with different pedals engaged.

Being pro or con P bass is like being pro or con snow tire. It does what it should when and where it should. Don't put a popular set of snow tires on your car, then go for a summer drive and complain when you corner like poop.
 
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Cuz...

1) put on flats, roll back the tone control, plug into a tube amp and you'll get the James Jamerson sound
2) use it with a pick and get the Pretender's Pete Farndon's sound on Mystery Achievement
2) plug it into a compressor and slap and you'll get Freddie Washington's sound on Patrice Rushen's Forget Me Nots

It's also as simple as hell to use - 1 volume, 1 tone - and it's got a man-sized neck... Not one of those Ibby pencil necks.

'Nuff said
 
Isn't changing one component of a system how you accurately measure the effect of that component? Anyway, what I asked was what did people like about P basses. I think the point of the thread was missed there.

Exactly right on the first point. Salespeople love folks like that. :D

I played a P for quite a time, without FOH support, and they sound good in a mix without any special processing. The pickup placement + pickup itself takes care of that. It slots you into the mix. Some people don't like the neck; most have no problem with it. It's a mass-produced, widely available, reasonably uniform and distinctive sounding instrument. It's been all those things for a long time, since there weren't many alternatives 50-60 years ago.

Anyway, I went ahead and ordered a set of D'addario Chromes and am going to see how those jive with the bass. Thanks for that clip of Michael League; I'd be happy if my bass (or my playing) sounded half that good. I didn't think this thread would be that popular (or that Carrots are better basses than Jazz basses!). I'll try to make some clips when I change the strings.

Do you have a clip of the sound you are going for? That would make things easier.

Also, as a former recording engineer and current FOH tech, P basses usually sound underwhelming in mixes without some help. We do all sorts of weird stuff to them to get them to sound good. Every engineer has "the amp", "the DI", or "the EQ/Compressor settings" that makes the bass sound awesome. I've never worked with a P bass that we plugged in and I just went, "Yeah! That's it." On the other hand, they're so ubiquitous that, if an engineer can't make a P bass sound good, they're bad at their job.

This is true (see above re: pickup), though I consider these shadings rather than basic tone - a compressor is almost always used on a bass channel anymore. The P (or any other) bass does the basic EQ work for you, since it's the signal source, and you have to start from there. ;)

The thing we always seem to forget is, P basses have sounded good on tracks since studios weren't much more than this, and the alternative was a DB - I suppose one could argue that's just conditioning:

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A P-Bass is the ultimate macho bass.

I agree, but I would say that goes for pre-2008 USA models, which suffered a semi-castration what with the
introduction of the lighter tuners. P basses gotta have the big ol' set to retain the title of mas macho.

Just to be provocative, I'd add that the Rickenbacker 4003 offers a sort of faux-macho, what with that big plastic TOY of a pickup cover.
Looks tough, but actually feels like you're making music on a GI Joe toy jeep accessory from the 70's. (Gorgeous necks though!)
 
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The only "Precision" that I've ever liked is the MIJ Precision Lyte.

It's barely recognisable as a Precision. It's Japanese, so you know it's great quality. It doesn't have that ridiculous pickguard covering 2/3rds of the top. It has P and J pickups and a J neck, so it has proper versatility. What's not to love?

(Apologies for my blasphemy)
 
I agree with everything you said *except* the flatwounds part.... I just can't stand them, but I know I'm in the minority on that!...

Nothing to be ashamed of, people have their tastes and that's what makes things interesting. Do you ever run into old recordings where you liked the tone and could tell it was flats? If you're ever on the flatwound tone quest, try a pair of GHS Precision Flats if you're feeling adventurous. With my P and the foam mute, the closest example I can think of is the bass on "San Francisco" by Scott McKenzie if I play my bass with a pick. Finger thump I'd say a richer version of "Haunted House" by Jumpin' Gene Simmons, mine has more harmonics while keeping the thump alive and well. I say it only because I didn't care for them either until I found a set that worked for me.

If the mere thought disgusts you, forget I said anything and keep rockin the P ;)
 
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I think the USA G&L LB-100 is the best Precision for the money out there by a mile. I know most people say that the quality of Fender's "American Standards" have gotten a lot better since 2008, but I beg to differ. Never thought I would be playing on a quartersawn maple neck with perfect fretwork for under $1000 until I picked up my #1.

Is that "seafoam" green?? I'm slightly gassing over that new seafoam fender P/J at the moment, but ill probably wait till some used ones show up for cheap!!
 
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Is that "seafoam" green?? I'm slightly gassing over that new seafoam fender P/J at the moment, but ill probably wait till some used ones show up for cheap!!

it's G&L's take on surf/seafoam called "Bel Air Green". it's a few shades darker. looks amazing with the mint guard on it. if you're going for that P/J model, i would definitely try to find a used one when they turn up.. seems like an overpriced MIM to me :rolleyes:
 
Nothing to be ashamed of, people have their tastes and that's what makes things interesting. Do you ever run into old recordings where you liked the tone and could tell it was flats? If you're ever on the flatwound tone quest, try a pair of GHS Precision Flats if you're feeling adventurous. With my P and the foam mute, the closest example I can think of is the bass on "San Francisco" by Scott McKenzie if I play my bass with a pick. Finger thump I'd say a richer version of "Haunted House" by Jumpin' Gene Simmons, mine has more harmonics while keeping the thump alive and well. I say it only because I didn't care for them either until I found a set that worked for me.

If the mere thought disgusts you, forget I said anything and keep rockin the P ;)

I haven't owned a fender for a few years, for me its the *feel* of flats I don't like more than anything, weird huh??!!

If I got in a good paying oldies/motown group id get over it though!!;)