What the %$^#

Discussion in 'Bass Humor & Gig Stories [BG]' started by Smokin' Toaster, Jul 17, 2013.

  1. So my band is playing a local club Friday night. In the past, I've had some words with the gui**** (carefully chosen word, read on...) about drinking to excess (a bottle of caramel vodka) BEFORE the gig starts, then "calming down" to beer and shots during the rest of the gig. At one gig I thought he was going to throw a tantrum because the club owner asked him to turn down.

    So, we're playing a basic 1-4-5 blues tune in G. I'm singing the first verse and after a second or two of wondering why i was having trouble hitting the vocals, I realize he's playing in F#. We've played this song 100 times, and it's stupid simple. I finish the first verse stop singing, and yell G..it's in G. He looks at me and says "you're playing it in F#, all the while still playing it in F#. I yell G... G.. and take my right hand and point to my finger in the third fret position. He yells "you're playing it in F#. I tell the drummer to end it. He then says hit your E string as he hits his. I'm in tune.

    I'm not sure if he was that drunk (he didn't appear to be sloppy drunk) and he usually just makes more minor gaffs when he's drunk. I'm thinking he may have deliberately sabotaged a song I sing to make me look bad. I was tempted to pack my gear up and leave, but I have more respect for the other 3 band members.

    In spite of him I like this band, we have a great female singer, the keyboardist and drummer are good, and the guitarist has been playing for a long time and has talent. He can be a good musician when he is not drinking, and the band can really hit it on a good night. He's also so ADD that he will talk your arm off about innane crap from his past for hours, and it usually involves how he beat someone's a$$ and everyone cheered. He'll interrupt you when you try to get a word in edgewise. I try to be polite to everyone, but I've had to turn and walk away from the guy after a 15 minute monologe (during teardown at 2:30 in the morning to boot). During setup and breaks often plays his favorite licks and songs over the jukebox music, causing patrons much distress. I'm actually hoping he gets a DUI on the way home in order to knock some sense into him. He'd probably have to go to jail because he couldn't pay the fines and legal bills, due to his underemployment at his day gig. He's a recent transplant to our area from another part of the state, and I suspect that he wore out his welcome there and had to leave. For some unknown reason, the drummer loves the guy. I can't get away from him fast enough. I guess my days in this band are numbered. Oh well...
  2. I'm not great at simple math but the bad seems to fairly well far outweigh the good here. I'm angry at the dude and haven't met him
  3. Roy Vogt

    Roy Vogt

    Sep 20, 2000
    Endorsing Artist: Kiesel, Carvin, Accuracy, Hotwire, Conklin Basses, DNA, Eden
    Sounds like a Drunk running amuck. Bad news......:rollno:
  4. Ugh, that's one of my pet peeves. Yes, you need to check your sound, and horn players need to warm up their lips, but once you've done that, please, no noodling.

    And personally, I'd be very concerned about working with someone who drinks as much as you've described.
  5. lfmn16

    lfmn16 Inactive

    Sep 21, 2011
    charles town, wv
    "He can be a good musician when he is not drinking, and the band can really hit it on a good night."

    The problem with people like this is that they are almost never not drinking. Nobody can fix a drunk. Cut your losses and tell the rest of the band that if they want to enable him, they can, but you are tired of wasting your time.

    It will come to a head sooner or later, save yourself all the aggregation you will experience between now and then.
  6. Wesley R

    Wesley R Gold Supporting Member

    He drinks too much; it diminishes his value to the band. The situation (sadly enough) needs to be addressed.

    A little side note; a long time ago, the band I was in picked up a guitar in recovery, and the guy was spectacular. Turns out he was from a regional, major popular band. He had to leave them to get healed.

    So, maybe there is hope.
  7. Biggbass


    Dec 14, 2011
    Planet Earth
    my tolerance for this type of activity in a band is zero.
    get rid of the guy ... there is an ocean full of guitar players out there.
  8. WalWarrior


    Mar 20, 2006
    MD suburbs
    DUDE - this same thing happened to me two years ago. I worked my ass off to get the act to where it needed to be, (arranging for as well as paying half of the Studio time to record a demo, keyboardist paid the other 1/2) and low and behold the drummer and gui**** are locked in a 69. Heads up each others ass. Interrupting when you speak, can't get a work in edgewise, the final straw for me at our last gig (my last gig with them anyways) the gui**** was way too loud, I couldn't hear my wedge monitors, lost my voice trying to yell over him. Hence when it was my turn to sing I couldn't. It was futile. The FOH guys were giving him the "Thumbs Down" signaling he was way too loud, and had his faders totally zeroed in the mix. My ears rang for three days after that gig. When I tried to talk to him and the rest of the band into purchasing IEM's, (I own an older set of Shure E5's, but didn't use them because the board we were using didn't have an extra AUX send for my use) he said the REAL problem with the show is that I change basses too much. Only reason I change basses besides going from 4 to 5 when needed is because the gui**** learned a bunch of tunes in alternate tunings from the standard a440 or a semitone down for vocals. He stated that I need to relearn all the songs in the same keys as he plays them, and that if I needed help HE would teach me. I told him to F off and quit on the spot. To this date they haven't played live since. What a bunch of idiots. I know I am not going to risk going deaf playing crap clubs for the likes of 150.00 bucks a night.

    You're better off without that guy, and if the drummer is locked in with him, and you like the rest of the act, it's just a matter of how much you can stomach. I said "adios" and good riddance. Good luck man.
  9. hdracer


    Feb 15, 2009
    Elk River, MN.
    Huh?? :eek:
  10. WalWarrior


    Mar 20, 2006
    MD suburbs
    ha ha , That's my way of saying they ( guitarist and drummer )are in cahoots no matter what one says, the other agrees. Ridiculous.
  11. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Inactive

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    I guess there is a MAJOR shortage of guitar players in "LA". Otherwise I am assuming your idiot would be looking for a gig.
  12. Notice the post above yours. The drummer is a nice guy, but for some reason he is all tight with this gui****. Actually, The Smokin' Toasters are getting back together, and the ST guitarist is more competent and does not drink to excess. I was planning on continuing with both bands, but I'm thinking that may not be the best option.

    There are plenty of very good guitar players in the real LA.
  13. funkytoe

    funkytoe In Memoriam

    Jan 17, 2008
    Northern California
    I had this exact same thing happen with me and my guitarist a couple years ago. I walked over to him in mid-song, turned my back to the audience and mouthed to him "Its in G!" as he played away in F#. Then, on my way back to my amp, I said to my drummer in frustration, "It's always been in G!"

    That has become a reoccurring tag line and source of humor for us. "It's always been in G!" has become a rallying cry of sorts and has provided many a laugh in the years since that embarassing moment.

    Give it time. You may find it funny in a couple months. In the interim, maybe you and your bandmates could have an open conversation with your guitarist about professionalism and drinking before a gig?
  14. Have you ever tried to talk to an alcoholic? I tried to tell him how irritating his noodling over the jukebox was, and he assured me that it was cool and nobody minded, in fact, they liked it. And when I've tried to address drinking to excess, he replies with his perception of my shortcomings as a bassist. And he assures me that he loves everyone and everyone loves him, and I'm being unreasonable. I guess even all the people who's a$$ he supposedly whipped love him too. Probably the last band that fired him and the last employer that fired him loved him too. I guess there's just something wrong with me, since I don't love him much at all.
  15. DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather

    This is one of the reasons (among a list of others) I just quit my band! Professionalism goes right out the door when folks get drunk! And it's happened way too many times! Dude even yells on the mic for someone to buy him a G**D**n drink! Swearing as well. Not the kind of band I want to be associated with. Bad thing is...the band had so much potential to be a force in the area! Band is a joke now!
  16. Flabass


    Aug 11, 2008
    St. Petersburg
    Sounds like the guitar player needs an intervention. I am speaking from personal experience. He is in complete denial, typical in an alcoholic.

    I personally wouldn't continue to play with him until he stops or at least cuts back on his drinking.

    Just my 2 cents.
  17. Hi,

    Perhaps an "intervention" is called for. If for nothing else, you can try and save the guy's life.

    I got a DUI driving home from a gig about 15 years ago and it was a real wake up call. I was driving over 100 mph and passed a CHP! I was drinking pretty heavily back in those days and a couple of us had stayed after hours and partied with the bartenders and waitresses. I could have killed myself and others, several times over.

    All you can do is talk to the guy and hope he hears you. If he continues then let's pray he hits rock bottom without hurting anyone. I had to hit rock bottom before I pulled myself up and got better. Thankfully my wife and friends were very supportive. There's more than music at stake here. Best of luck to you.

    Thank you for your indulgence,

  18. Ha, I'm mad at him too !
  19. PluckyThump


    Jan 4, 2008
    The Hammer
    IME people who develop those sorts of bad habits and are allowed to get away with them will never change their habits. Guitar players especially with not change no matter how often the rest of the band asks. The drummer is an enabler; he will always have someone to excuse his faults and cover for him. Your only choices are to put up with it or get out. Don't bother trying to "save" him (at least not without a lot of help) it's a waste of your time.
  20. SactoBass

    SactoBass A retired civil engineer who likes all-tube amps! Supporting Member

    Jul 8, 2009
    Lake Havasu City, AZ
    Biiiig +1

    It's time to hit the flush handle with that loser. The sooner, the better. A year from now, when the band is kicking major arse (with a real musician on guitar), it will be all smiles.