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So maybe I should watch Fargo tonight? My thoughts mirrored yours on The Big Lebowski for a while. It's since grown on me after catching bits here and there. Certainly not for everyone.
It's a perfect movie. No performance is bad. No dialogue is bad. The story is great. The pacing is great. Nothing's wrong with it. Not once criticism.
 
Watched the original "A Nightmare on Elm Street" yesterday. In spite of the fact that the movie is so very teen '80s, it still holds up pretty well.

I still laugh when Heather Langenkamp (playing sleep-deprived teenage character Nancy Thompson) looks in the mirror and says, "God...I look 20 years old."🤣 It's even better knowing that Heather was 20 when the film was released.
 
I watched it. Not my thing. Can't really knock it, as the directing was solid, nothing seemed out of place, and the actors did great in their roles. Just not my type of movie, I suppose. It reminds me of the Coen Brothers' "Miller's Crossing" in that I can't really say any negatives about it, just that it did nothing for me. Both are similar in that I just didn't find myself caring about any of the main characters. I think most of all, as I age, I realize I want movies to be an escape from the seriousness of this world (even if the movie I'm watching itself is serious). This movie is certainly NOT that. Maybe I'd have liked it more as a "historical" western set in the 1800s? As it is, I think it's too close to real life, and I deal with enough serious and similar situations at my day job.

In short, I absolutely get the praise for this film, but it's just not for me. It'll be joining some others in the "to-go" pile. My favorite Coen films continue to be their lighter fare, with O Brother Where Art Thou, Raising Arizona, and The Big Lebowski being standouts thus far. I also enjoyed Barton Fink as a strange comedy/drama hybrid. There are many of their films I have yet to watch, though, so there is plenty of room to add to the list.

And in that vein, what should I watch next? I have their take on True Grit here, which I've seen once. I remember it being good, but I was dating my wife at the time, and wasn't necessarily completely focused on the movie. Maybe I'll like a traditional western of theirs more? I also have Fargo and Hail, Caesar! which I have yet to watch. Or maybe a palette cleanser of sorts and something absolutely goofy/odd like an early Abrams/Zucker film (Kentucky Fried Movie), Six String Samurai, or Napoleon Dynamite - none of which I've seen before. Decisions, decisions...


If you like the more knock-about side of the Coen brothers output: go even earlier in their career, to the comedy caper they co-wrote with Sam Raimi "Crimewave".

It's completely daft, yet wildly inventive.

Certainly not for everyone - it's pretty shambolic, and awkward in places, but a ton of fun - you just have to be in the right frame of mind for it : as Bruce Campbell advises its best watched when you "put your silly hat on".


If you liked Barton Fink, you could consider The Hudsucker Proxy as a midway point between their brand of drama, and the silliness of Crimewave.

Fargo was very much in the other direction : a drama with a dark sense of humour.

The Man Who Wasn't There was closer in tone to Barton Fink - it's kind of a forgotten Coen Brothers movie, in spite of being a critical hit, and doing pretty good box office.

Inside Llewyn Davis is a straight up great movie - not overtly a Coen Brothers movie, though it has some of their touches. It's their equivalent of David Lynch's "The Straight Story".

I genuinely enjoyed Hail, Caesar! - not even close to being up there with their best movies, and maybe I enjoyed it more than expected because I went in with low expectations, but I still had a lot of fun watching it (a couple of times actually).

Individually,:

Joel made the excellent "The Tragedy of Macbeth".

Ethan made the pretty damn terrible (frustratingly so) "Drive-Away Dolls" and the promising, but ultimately annoyingly messy "Honey Don't".


Frankly, I'd skip Ethan's solo efforts.

If you want some quirky modern crime-comedy, I'd strongly recommend :

Maggie Moore(s)

LaRoy, Texas
 
I just watched Falling Down last night. It's another movie I like and watched again, but it's definitely not an escape from the seriousness of this world.

-Mike


I don't know if there was studio interference / "notes" from execs, or if Joel Schumacher lost his nerve as a director, but that movie really copped out the moment it played the mental health card, and it's revealed that Foster had lost his job a while ago.

It just smacked of letting the audience of the hook, and making it safe for them to view the events from a comfortable place.

It would have been an absolutely amazing movie, if each scenario had played out in a way that Fosters actions / reactions seemed like the most rational response under the circumstances, and that incrementally the audience was led down this path, feeling completely aligned with Foster, rooting for him the whole way - only at the end pulling the rug from under the audience, and forcing them to ask some serious questions of themselves.

The "I'm the bad guy?" line would have landed with real impact, but as it is the audience had already checked out on the character several scenes earlier, which is actually pretty messed up considering the movie played the mental health card early on, but is totally unsympathetic in terms of dealing with that (again, it's about making the audience feel comfortable - it certainly isn't commentary on the problems L.A. caused for itself at that time by turning huge numbers of the mentally ill out onto its streets, making them homeless).

There's so much of this movie that I enjoy, and find genuinely funny as satire, but it's tone is so uneven, and inconsistent - it's an incredibly frustrating film.
 
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If you like the more knock-about side of the Coen brothers output: go even earlier in their career, to the comedy caper they co-wrote with Sam Raimi "Crimewave".

It's completely daft, yet wildly inventive.

Certainly not for everyone - it's pretty shambolic, and awkward in places, but a ton of fun - you just have to be in the right frame of mind for it : as Bruce Campbell advises its best watched when you "put your silly hat on".


If you liked Barton Fink, you could consider The Hudsucker Proxy as a midway point between their brand of drama, and the silliness of Crimewave.

Fargo was very much in the other direction : a drama with a dark sense of humour.

The Man Who Wasn't There was closer in tone to Barton Fink - it's kind of a forgotten Coen Brothers movie, in spite of being a critical hit, and doing pretty good box office.

Inside Llewyn Davis is a straight up great movie - not overtly a Coen Brothers movie, though it has some of their touches. It's their equivalent of David Lynch's "The Straight Story".

I genuinely enjoyed Hail, Caesar! - not even close to being up there with their best movies, and maybe I enjoyed it more than expected because I went in with low expectations, but I still had a lot of fun watching it (a couple of times actually).

Individually,:

Joel made the excellent "The Tragedy of Macbeth".

Ethan made the pretty damn terrible (frustratingly so) "Drive-Away Dolls" and the promising, but ultimately annoyingly messy "Honey Don't".


Frankly, I'd skip Ethan's solo efforts.

If you want some quirky modern crime-comedy, I'd strongly recommend :

Maggie Moore(s)

LaRoy, Texas
Thanks for the write-up - might have to check some of those out!

Just finished Fargo. Initial thoughts are that I enjoyed this more than many of their "straight" films, and is best described for my tastes as a pseudo-serious black comedy. I feel it was a good mix of black humor and serious subject matter, with my favorite aspect being the juxtaposition of the subject matter with the folksy antics of the cast. It worked on a lot of levels, and had great performances throughout, with everything just plain working. Great movie, and I'll have to watch it again some time.
I don't know if there was studio interference / "notes" from execs, or if Joel Schumacher lost his nerve as a director, but that movie really copped out the moment it played the mental health card, and it's revealed that Foster had lost his job a while ago.

It just smacked of letting the audience of the hook, and making it safe for them to view the events from a comfortable place.

It would have been an absolutely amazing movie, if each scenario had played out in a way that Fosters actions / reactions seemed like the most rational response under the circumstances, and that incrementally the audience was led down this path, feeling completely aligned with Foster, rooting for him the whole way - only at the end pulling the rug from under the audience, and forcing them to ask some serious questions of themselves.

The "I'm the bad guy?" line would have landed with real impact, but as it is the audience had already checked out on the character several scenes earlier, which is actually pretty messed up considering the movie played the mental health card early on, but is totally unsympathetic in terms of dealing with that (again, it's about making the audience feel comfortable - it certainly isn't commentary on the problems L.A. caused for itself at that time by turning huge numbers of the mentally ill out onto its streets, making them homeless).

There's so much of this movie that I enjoy, and find genuinely funny as satire, but it's tone is so uneven, and inconsistent - it's an incredibly frustrating film.
I felt that this movie has so many different ways to interpret it, that you can almost pick a position and competently argue it. I wrote a paper on it in college, with the essential argument being something relating economic value to personal value and identity of a human. It's been about 20 years, so I don't recall the exact specifics, but I pointed to the fact that we don't even know the main character's name most of the film, and how he's essentially been cut off from society in all aspects now that he's lost his job. He has no identity - not even a name. I also pointed to the scene of the man protesting outside the bank about not being "economically viable" (whatever the phrase was). Prendergast (the officer) is also struggling with losing his identity/job, but in the opposite fashion. He states that according to his wife, now that he's staying on the force, his name will be "Mud". So, by retaining his job/value to society, he also retains his name. But his wife, who has checked out from society, wants to give him a worthless name with no real identity.

I'd be interested to watch this with fresh eyes and a new perspective. It's been nearly 20 years since I've seen it, and I don't recall all the nuances of the film, but I imagine these days I could make some sort of compelling argument about mental health. My gut tells me that it may be something to do with the fact that the main character is mentally ill, but nobody takes time to address that. We see only the final stages of it, and even then, he appears "normal" for a good chunk of the story - which to me says a lot. He leads a relatively "normal" life, but his illness has created all sorts of problems for him that he can't cope with. As a society, this then becomes our problem (in extreme fashion in the movie - I think there are certainly aspects of satire throughout). We as the audience only learn about this in stages, leading us to empathize with him. But they've clearly been going on for a long while. I may take the opposite argument, in that telling us he's mentally ill helps us to empathize - because he's done so many "normal" things that so many of us want to do - but know we can not. How many of us want to do some of these things, and how does that make us feel about ourselves? Are we all the "bad guy", just one single bad day away from snapping? Why is it that we, who can empathize with this mostly "normal" seeming person, root for him throughout much of the film - but upon finding out about his diagnosis - write him off? What does that say about us as individuals and as a society?

Anyway, I love a movie that can be argued, and this is one of my favorites. It's rather provocative, and lends to so many interesting interpretations. Can't say I've ever seen one that I disagree with when presented - just different takes, all of which can be true in a sense.
 
My gut tells me that it may be something to do with the fact that the main character is mentally ill, but nobody takes time to address that. We see only the final stages of it, and even then, he appears "normal" for a good chunk of the story - which to me says a lot. He leads a relatively "normal" life, but his illness has created all sorts of problems for him that he can't cope with. As a society, this then becomes our problem (in extreme fashion in the movie - I think there are certainly aspects of satire throughout). We as the audience only learn about this in stages, leading us to empathize with him. But they've clearly been going on for a long while. I may take the opposite argument, in that telling us he's mentally ill helps us to empathize - because he's done so many "normal" things that so many of us want to do - but know we can not. How many of us want to do some of these things, and how does that make us feel about ourselves? Are we all the "bad guy", just one single bad day away from snapping? Why is it that we, who can empathize with this mostly "normal" seeming person, root for him throughout much of the film - but upon finding out about his diagnosis - write him off? What does that say about us as individuals and as a society?


That's exactly what I think the screenplay was originally going for, and why I feel there were some studio "notes" that compromised that telling of the story, and the process it would have put the audience through.

That's exactly what I was hoping the movie would be, and why I find it so frustrating that there's this sort of external morality clumsily imposed on some of the scenes, that gives the audience an easy out.

But I do really like most of the movie, and for years afterwards quotes from it would get dropped into conversation amongst my circle at the time.
 
For All Mankind is an Apple TV series that begins in the sixties and in season 5 is in the very new future having captured an iridium based asteroid around Mars, as a Mars launched expedition lands on a moon on an outer planet.

It is at times mawkishly sentimental as the story moves at uneven pace. But, every so often it offers something outstanding. Two scenes stand out: two astronauts must save the fledgling moon base by going outside with a suit made of duct tape, there heroic actions saves the base at the cost of their lives; and in the latest episode a scene creates the visual for Alien tagline, In Space No One Can Hear You Scream as woman screams silently in her helmet.

So it is these days that YouTube has as much entertainment value as $$$ productions on TV.