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What's the bid deal with WEIGHT ?

I never really thought much of weight at all until I spent a few hours playing standing up one day. After a while, I really did become aware of a certain discomfort being inflicted on my left shoulder, not quite a painful sensation, just more of a very very dull ache-like feeling. However, I found my issue was resolved with a better (more padded and wider) strap. So, yeah, I'd just say that weight is less of an issue than how you wear it, IMHO.
 
When shopping for a new bass, weight is something I take into consideration but as much for tone as comfort.
Here's my take on it and it's all in my actual personal experience:

Fender passive basses - better tone if lightweight. They resonate better acoustically therefore more juicy information available to the pickups.

I've found that the heavy Fenders that I've owned have a much tighter sound with an open E that just isn't as fat as a on the lighter ones. As I don't play a 5 string it's absolutley essential that my open E is huge.
However, the heavier ones were more focused sounding when playing chordal stuff higher up the neck.

Don't want to start a big debate over whether this is right or wrong,
just saying I've worked out what I want from a bass to suit my ears and the way I play.
Had loads of Fenders and I find that heavy/light basses have certain personality traits that have been consistant.

It does need to be noted though that I am a really fussy bugger! :)
 
Most people are just plain out of shape. Sorry had to be said.
Yeah, got to agree with that. I've been gigging my '78 Pbass from new, in the beginning 7 nights a week at holiday centres, more recently a couple of 4 hour gigs a week. I'm 70 now, still playing in a rock band and jumping about a fair bit and it honestly has never occurred to me that I have a 'weight' across my shoulders. Just weighed the bass on my bathroom scales for the first time and it comes in at 11lbs, pretty heavy for some of you guys. But, excluding all those with bad backs, as human beings we are designed to carry that sort of weight across our shoulders all day and hardly notice it.
 
Right, right. People think I'm scowling becasue I'm getting into my playing when it's the pain that's killing me and I'm thinking how many songs are left in this set!!! Then the band leader says we're playing over and does not hint as to how much longer we're playing. And I'm thinking of very choice words.

I've had this exact thing happen.

I once played a 3 hour set with no breaks. We were supposed to play two hours with a break, but the crowd was into it (read: drunk) and we just kept going. By the end I was sitting on my combo amp because I just couldn't stand anymore. Good thing it was a small place and I didn't take a stack. The last half hour especially was excruciating and took all the fun out of it.
 
Most people are just plain out of shape. Sorry had to be said.

I'm in pretty good shape for a 50 year old. Run 3 1/2 miles a day plus sit ups and other exercises for core strength and light dumbells for arms, shoulder and pecs.

But I also have rheumatoid arthritis that affects my back and shoulders (as well as my knees, hips and feet, but they don't bother me when playing). My rheumatologist took full body xrays last year and said there is bone damage in my lower spine (also right knee). That explains a lot about ten years of back pain while playing.

It isn't always caused by being out of shape. Age and the ailments that come with it, can cause it to.
 
I have seen whole threads with people weighing their basses, wow is all I got ta say bout that!!

What's so odd about weighing your basses? I've weighed all my basses. And much to my surprise, they all weigh about the same which is from 10 to 11 pounds. There are only two exceptions which are my two 7 stringers which weigh 12 pounds each and my Carvin AC50 semi-hollow which weighs 6 and a half pounds.

And yes, I have arthritis (mostly in knees and rarely in shoulder) and no, the bass weight (even 12 pounds) does not bother me in the least. I love the Carvin for the tone and the light weight is just a plus, but only a partial plus because the hard case with it inside seems to weigh a ton! Sometimes standing for a long time bothers me, but then I usually just grab a tall stool.

But that's me. Reading the newsgroups it's clear that there are MANY players with various medical conditions that limit their ability to deal with heavy basses. What can we say? When you find you have a situation, you simply have to deal with it. Giving up isn't any useful option.
 
Always shopping for new basses (damn GAS), and I'm wondering what's the big deal about basses weight? I feel like everybody is looking for the lightest bass... I'm very curious to know what's the difference, tone wise... Or if this is just a matter of comfort and playability? I thought the heavier the instrument, the better the sustain and attack... Am I wrong?

IE. I've seen a beautifull P-Bass at 10 pounds lately... Should I stay away and search for one more around 8 ?

Do heavier basses have a lower resell value?

Opinions welcomed!!

EDIT : sorry about the 'BID' deal typo in the topic...! Still related though!

For me weight is a big deal and I wouldn't buy a heavy instrument.
On the whole, lighter ones sound better and feel better...to me.
 
I should add to my previous statements. To me, something equally as important as weight is BALANCE.

Don't believe it, play a 10 pound Thunderbird. Then play a 10 pound P-bass. It's a world of difference. Having a bass that balances on a strap evenly will make it easier to play long sets.
 
Most people are just plain out of shape. Sorry had to be said.

Well, a lot of people are, but that doesn't have too much to do with the discomfort. It's not cardio. If anything, having some extra padding should help out with the weight on your shoulder. I'm thin and in great shape, but I have a bad shoulder from back in my Army days. Some days I can barely lift it over my head, so I'd rather not lug some concrete eight string around if I can help it.
 
I use light weight basses when I can because I have a bum shoulder, and since I don't recall asking for anyone's approval or disapproval, I couldn't care less what you think.

I don't think anyone was trying to give you approval!! I would look for a light bass to if I had a bad shoulder, I have a bad back and could not believe how light my AS fender felt compared to this SX bass I have laying hear. If you were referring to my other post, I was basically "WOWING" at the whole threads where people go out of there way to weigh there bass for no reason at all but to post the weight on TB, I have no problem with it at all, it just wowed me.:hiding:
 
I should add to my previous statements. To me, something equally as important as weight is BALANCE.

Don't believe it, play a 10 pound Thunderbird. Then play a 10 pound P-bass. It's a world of difference. Having a bass that balances on a strap evenly will make it easier to play long sets.

+1

I don't care as much about the weight as the balance. It is a pain to play a bass on stage that is neck heavy. I would rather have a heavy bass that is balanced.
 
I've had this exact thing happen.

I once played a 3 hour set with no breaks. We were supposed to play two hours with a break, but the crowd was into it (read: drunk) and we just kept going. By the end I was sitting on my combo amp because I just couldn't stand anymore. Good thing it was a small place and I didn't take a stack. The last half hour especially was excruciating and took all the fun out of it.

I get like that to, we usually do 4 45min sets, and by the end of the night I feel like I could do a back bend over a log and just snap my back backwards, it really sucks when that baseball that's stuck in your spine will not go away! I guess I am just new enough that I consider a bass a bass and never thought about different weights9lbs, 10lbs, it all feels like weight to me!
 
I am guessing that whether a lighter or heavier bass sounds better or the same might depend on the species of wood.

Maybe certain configurations (pickup configuration, scale length) sound better with certain species of wood.

I'm a dyed-in-the-wool P player, and I love alder, because the P is all about grunt, and alder offers the clarity demanded to get good grunt, plus it is a warm, vocal sounding wood that has a lot of tonal nuance. The sound is satisfyingly complex. It sounds like a human voice, which is very complex, and I think that's essential to grabbing the listener's attention at all levels.

I have found that the lighter the alder, the louder, clearer, and more vocal the bass will speak. I don't know whether that has to do with proper drying, what minerals are in the soil, the rain cycle, or what. I just know what my ears tell me.

This seems counter-intuitive. I read an article about how the density of wood has decreased since America started cutting out hardwoods. The article was based on woods that had been retrieved from log jams that were a century old. The growth rings were more densely packed in that old wood. The theory is that the trees were so tightly packed together that they inhibited each other's rapid growth, contributing to density. This would seem to be better, right? But all I know is what I hear.

There are a few common lightweight woods that I find lacking.

I had a poplar J body for years and it drove me nuts. Every neck I tried on it had dead spots that I couldn't live with. Turns out it was the wood. Well, it sucked anyhow, the basic sound of the body, very one-dimensional, but I was just too dirt broke to experiment with bodies. I had to get that dead spot problem fixed first, not knowing the problem wasn't the neck.

I tried basswood. Lots of people say they get good results. I didn't. It had clarity, yeah, power, too, but it just wasn't a vocal sounding wood. It was too simple. I wish there were another way to describe this, but all I can say is it was unsatisfying.

Agathis. I had a couple of fairly light basses made of that. It sounded semi-dark but not rich, and a bit lacking in clarity.

So I always come back to alder. I had a couple of light AVRI Ps, very good, the lightest was the best, and for the past 10 years, I've had a super-light SQ-series P. That's the best bass I've ever played. Incredibly loud, clear, rich, vocal. Unplugged, it's as loud or louder with flats than most other basses I've owned with rounds.

Some people like hard ash. I don't know if heavier or lighter hard ash has the same dramatic tonal difference, and if so, which sounds better. An ash fan would have to report on that.

I don't know anything about swamp ash, either. Hoping someone will have something to say about that, too.

I agree with everything everyone is saying about hanging the bass off the shoulder.

I once bought a Steinberger L-2 to alleviate shoulder problems. I needed it for a while.

Good body design is needed to keep a light bass from neck-diving. Strap button placement is also influential. I tried a neck dive fix on that old poplar J body that worked. I moved the horn strap button to the rear surface of the horn, and I moved the end strap button down along the curve of the body toward the floor a couple of inches.

I have a set of Hipshot Ultralites I bought, but on second thought, I'm not going to put them on this bass because I don't know if they will create a dead spot where there is none now. That's another concern. If they were true drop-in replacements, I'd try them, but from experience with another bass, I found I had to ream the holes out.

I bought a Neotech neoprene strap that really spreads out the weight, plus it sticks to the shoulder and won't slide around. Best strap I ever owned. I don't know what model it is. They now have more specialized products, including a Mega Bass Strap.
 
[There are a lot of things to consider, other than just the sheer weight. Comfort is one. Once you stand around for a few hours with a Gibson Ripper anchoring you down, you'll pray for a lighter bass.]

+1 on this. The first decent bass I ever owned back in the 70's was a Ripper, and I sold it precisely because of the comfort issue. I was average height and a little below average weight back then, and my shoulder was barking loudly after a 4-hour gig. Switched to a Rickenbacker 4001 which was much more comfortable. Not sure what the Ric weighed compared to the Ripper, but it never pained me.

If I had to gig regularly today, I would definitely take weight into consideration.
 
Honestly I think a proper strap is more important then the weight of the bass. Get something three inches plus in leather or neoprene. Balance has an effect as well. If I let go of my bass, I want it to stay in the same position. No neck diving.

I don't have back problems and consider myself in decent shape, so YMMV.

edit: And wear proper footwear with good insoles. I find that crappy shoes will hurt you at the end of a night and can have a huge effect on your back, legs and feet.
 
Honestly weight doesn't even factor into the decision for me. I haven't a clue what any of my basses weigh.

But then I only do 2 four hour gigs a month, and am only 51 and in good shape with except for some mild bursitis in my shoulder.