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What's the bid deal with WEIGHT ?

I've broken my neck, jaw, cheek and left collar bone and when I can't sit on a gig (which I do regularly) I gotta have a well balanced, sub 7lb bass on a wide strap or I'm washing four Advils down with a double Crown and soda after the first set.

Yeah I got T-boned off my Buell by a little old lady in a hurry. The collarbone's OK with the titanium plate, but there are a few busted ribs under the left shoulder blade that complain. The other ribs don't bother me any more, and luckily the shoulder joint itself is fine.

Sitting is very good. If you play with a band for a while and carry your own weight it is amazing what they will allow in order to help you out when you get in trouble. Rocky Frisco's left arm quit after a stroke or TIA when he was playing with JJ Cale and well, he was their keyboardist and that was that.
 
I am pushing 50 and back isssues are very common once people get to my age (especially those who do physical work for a living). Reading these posts seems to reinforrce the notion that weight matters far more to a player the older he/she gets.
 
My 5'er Brice Defiant was supposed to weigh in around 9 lbs according to Rondo's specs.

I just weighed it a few days ago because I KNEW it was heavier than that. 11 lbs. But it's the only bass I've liked well enough not to get G.A.S. ever since I've had it - been a few years now. So I'll just suck it up and deal with it. However, it really would be NICE if it weighed 9 lbs and not 11 lbs. My shoulder and lower back start killing me after a few hours.
 
My 5'er Brice Defiant was supposed to weigh in around 9 lbs according to Rondo's specs.

I just weighed it a few days ago because I KNEW it was heavier than that. 11 lbs. But it's the only bass I've liked well enough not to get G.A.S. ever since I've had it - been a few years now. So I'll just suck it up and deal with it. However, it really would be NICE if it weighed 9 lbs and not 11 lbs. My shoulder and lower back start killing me after a few hours.

Can you sit?
 
Can you sit?

Given the fact that I'm 5ft 4in with very small hands and short fingers and the bass is a 35in scale - sitting actually makes it less comfortable to play. I deal with it, but pretty soon I'll have to force myself to sit during recording sessions because I'm expecting in Feb. and there's no way my back is going to be able to handle all that extra weight from both the bass and a baby at the same time :scowl:
 
Over the years i found that heavier Basses genearlly sound better but as i get older my threshold for weight is getting lower and lower, it takes a toll on your back. A lot of well built light weight Basses have incredible resonance when unplugged and those are generally the ones that sound fantastic plugged in. Its much more difficult to find light weight Basses that with those sound qualities but they are out there.
 
Yeah, got to agree with that. I've been gigging my '78 Pbass from new, in the beginning 7 nights a week at holiday centres, more recently a couple of 4 hour gigs a week. I'm 70 now, still playing in a rock band and jumping about a fair bit and it honestly has never occurred to me that I have a 'weight' across my shoulders. Just weighed the bass on my bathroom scales for the first time and it comes in at 11lbs, pretty heavy for some of you guys. But, excluding all those with bad backs, as human beings we are designed to carry that sort of weight across our shoulders all day and hardly notice it.


Or someone with a nagging shoulder injury from a skiing accident two years ago like me. :scowl:
 
I've plated rugby for almost 11 years and being a smaller guy all those hits have taken their toll on my shoulders (and knees, but that's an entirely different matter). Everyone says 3rd or 4th hour of a gig, I wish I could hold out that long. It's a miracle I've been able to put up with 10 lb basses so long....
 
Given the fact that I'm 5ft 4in with very small hands and short fingers and the bass is a 35in scale - sitting actually makes it less comfortable to play. I deal with it, but pretty soon I'll have to force myself to sit during recording sessions because I'm expecting in Feb. and there's no way my back is going to be able to handle all that extra weight from both the bass and a baby at the same time :scowl:

Have you ever seen one of those stand that holds the instrument in the playing position where you just walk up behind it and play? If you can't find one maybe you could have one made.
 
Sitting is very good. If you play with a band for a while and carry your own weight it is amazing what they will allow in order to help you out when you get in trouble.

My current band is good about that, but in the band before the leader didn't like it if I sat, even in practice. He felt you have to stand to really get into the music and have energy (I disagreed). He would also roll his eyes and not take me seriously when I mentioned my rheumatoid arthritis (which also affects my fingers). Needless to say I'm not in that band any more.
 
Haven't had a really heavy bass since my MIA Fender P Deluxe from around 2000/2001. Awful bass, looked great, sounded awful, weighed FAR too much. The normal P bass tone is much better.

BUT, and this is the big but, musicians aren't usually (although there are plenty who are!) the healthiest of people, especially those who work and then work as a musician. Late nights, unhealthy food, and lack of sleep can have a huge effect on your life.

This hectic lifestyle means that the gym/exercise is usually hard to fit in.

I'm only 31, and the best thing I did was listen to my girlfriend, and my fitness fanatical Father, who said 'exercise and you won't feel as tired at work'. Works 100%! I'm barely ever tired now. I work out three times a week, and sometimes I actually get into it! I put my exercise before any practice, as its as important as sleeping. Get the right balance and it helps.

Why does this help with bass weight? Well, part of my fitness is kettlebell workouts, which is all about building up muscle and toning them. There are many back, leg, arm and chest workouts which help to make you have a stronger core. The stronger the core, the less you will care about a heavy bass. Trust me, it works. I can pickup bass cabs, PA cabs, etc, with less moaning, and my goto Ray 4 H, which is perhaps my heaviest bass (not stupidly though...maybe 10-10.5) is fine on long gigs.

I agree, if you have a lighter bass, its easier anyway, but the exercise and care for your back helps with all parts of the gig, including load in/load out.

If you have an injury or condition, then its different, and you can only see what the tolerances are.

Hope this helps. I hate preaching fitness, but I used to be quite lazy, and now im the opposite!
 
This whoel bass weight issue is about as overhyped as the whole "back of the neck finish" issue. I have heavy basses, light basses, painted neck, finished neck, oiled neck. They all sound and play just dandy for me.
Of course am 6 foot and 230, so maybe my 10.5 pound bass is your 8 pounder.
 
My current band is good about that, but in the band before the leader didn't like it if I sat, even in practice. He felt you have to stand to really get into the music and have energy (I disagreed). He would also roll his eyes and not take me seriously when I mentioned my rheumatoid arthritis (which also affects my fingers). Needless to say I'm not in that band any more.

Wow, doesn't seem like the guy who keeps musicians very long, yet wonders why. :hmm:

I sat at my last practice because I forgot to bring a strap with Schaller strap locks. The band didn't hassle me.
 
To me the big deal about weight is having a bad back. If you're blessed with a good back and youth you can probably get away with a heavier bass. Also as far as resale value goes, I would say it definitely does make a difference in how easy it is to sell a bass. I've sold a lot of basses over the years and invariably people want to know what the weight is, and the heavier basses are harder to sell. Anything over about 9 1/2 lbs. turns off a lot of people. Especially if they play out.
 
FWIW, think prevention ... with that said, 9# is heavy to me, and altough I would not say a basses weight affects it value directly, there are some that will pay a premium for a lighter than usual bass ... unfortunately, most peoples weighing methods and scales available generally leave a little to be desired when it comes to accuracy, and quite often, what I am quoted for weight is understated, sometimes not by a small amount ..

.. I will say, that if being lightweight does not affect value directly, it may affect its marketability due to the increased market potential by the number of people that will not be turned off to it ...

.. I probably shouldn't, but I absolutely have to address the 'get a wide strap and grow a set' crowds comments on this issue ... I have been a personal fitness trainer for many years, and between the potential damage done by repetitive pressure for extended periods of time across an area of the anatomy which contains as many tiny blood vessel and nerves such as where we wear our straps, as well as the potential restrictions of blood delivery to the brain, I always recommend as light of a bass as possible, in all situations ... it is good PREVENTION ....

... and as far as growing a set ... dont even go there, unless you have walked in everyone elses shoes ... suffice it to say, there are guys on here that have fought to give you the freedom to make that statement, that now have bodies less than complete as a result ... there are guys on here that worked an entire life in respectul positions that have used their bodies so completely, yet continue to play, without complaining ... I could go on and on ... but to judge someones courage and perseverance in a general statement withouth knowledge of their circumstances is extremely insensitive and insulting ... JMHO