When do you need a big rig (stack)?

[Magman]

My rig is pretty big (at least heightwise and in the sub department) and even at lower volumes... you get an authority in the low end from subs completely missing from a putsy 210 (yeah I know there are some full range 210s...but a lot are not)

A lot of PA systems at smaller bars don't have subs, and I really think people are not used to how a bass guitar can really sound and feel and its an important part of my bands sound.

It really is exciting to have the stage vibrating and that power coming up into you. Maybe childish - but to me rock should be about primal power (for better or worse).

Ask your audience - I check with friends after shows as to how it sounded and felt (too loud? good mix?), and with the rest of band. You are helping to create an experience with them and I think evidence will there if one is off errrrr....base. Kick drum can become an issue though....at higher volumes seems to be the first drum to loose its impact and generally needs micing.

 

[Matthew Bryson]

Thanks for all the help and opinions... you've talked me into it


I just bought a brand new Eden D115XL to match up to my D210XLT.

Called about it and paid for it on the phone. I pick it up tomorrow.

it makes me feel like this

...but tomorrow night I'll be like this:

 

[Crabby]

To the original poster, I too have an Eden 210XLT and i also have an Eden 115 cab and the two do make a nice pair...

However, I also have an Eden 210XST and this cab paired with the XLT cab are absolutely incredible. Its very easy to transport a pair of 210 cabs and its not an overly large rig at all. The 210XST is voiced a lot dofferently then the XLT. It puts out an amazingly tight low end and the two cabs compliment each other so well. Its really hard to go back to just one cab after getting used to the tone of the two together.

I can assure you that despite the 115 being a nice round sounding cab, adding a 210XST to the cab you already have will be just simply incredible. The XST weighs less then the XLT!

 

[Matthew Bryson]

To Crabby: Thanks for that tip. Price was a factor on this purchase, so the 115XL was much easier to pull off than a 210XST, but maybe someday I'll need an XST cab too. I'm just hoping that the D210XLT and the D115XL turn out to be different enough to justify owning both. I'll soon find out.

 

[jasonbraatz]

You always need a big rig.

 

[Johnny Mack]

^ it only took a page and a half for the correct answer.

 

[GreyBeard]

When my mood dictates it.

 

[SERPENT865]

The 2-10 1-15 (carvin) set up has been my choice for a while it has a good all around sound for me.I would say get a 1-15 cab and be done with it.

 

[Matthew Bryson]

I would say get a 1-15 cab and be done with it.

Done, and done!

 

[LP75]

It's just plain cool to have a rig that's taller than the bass on it's stand. I have loved that for many years now.

 

[JKT]

I pretty much add an extra 115 cab at any outdoor gi regardless of PA support or not. Lows go away so easy in an outdoor situation. PA support is great but if the band isn't feelin it it never works as well IMO.

JKT

 

[JKT]

It's just plain cool to have a rig that's taller than the bass on it's stand. I have loved that for many years now.

I've always dug the look of Trace Elliot gear. Particularly the accent lighting in "Incredible Hulk" green.

JKT

 

[arthurzen]

I go by the motto: "A big system can always be turned down, but a small one can only be turned up so loud"

My main system is an Ampeg SVT with either 1 or 2 Hartke cabs (a 4x10 and 1x15).

I also have an SWR WorkingPro 12 for practice, DB and, if I'm definitely sure I don't need the monsters.

 

[Fretlessboy]

That has always been a hard question to answer

Then

And now

 

[jimmy rocket]

210 + 115 = Delicious...

When I was gigging regularly a few years back I almost exclusively used a 410 with Aluminum cones. It could push plenty of air on stage and most of the time I was runnign directly into the PA. When I stopped touring I downsized to using only a 210 (almost always a bad idea unless you've just had surgery for a hernia or your back or something) I felt like I was missing something. Thinking perhaps it was just the particular 210 that I was using (Carvin redline) I traded up to an SVT 210HE. The tone was better, but there was still this elusive missing bottom end. Two weeks ago I picked up an SVT 15E and can't stop playing my bass because of how good it sounds through that rig. Do it!

 

[MODNY]

i have a huge amp because i have a right small pecker.

 

[Fretlessboy]

lol...now that's a bummer

i have a huge amp because i have a right small pecker.

 

[speedkills]

When do you need a big rig (stack)?

When DON'T you??

 

[51m0n]

I used to haul a monster rig, at its biggest it was two 1x15s and two 4x10s and two 1x12s all at the same time.

Hell to move, far bigger than I really needed (waaaaayyy bigger than the venues needed!), but I ran various FX into either the 12s or the 10s, in stereo, and biamped to drive the 15s. It was very very cool, and lots of fun. Oh and a tad loud

Eventually I realised that I didnt need to be hurting my back so much, I could have got a mini mixer instead, and also it made my pecker look smaller too

Now looking to get two AE210s. Cant wait!

 

[Fretlessboy]

I think the key is to have something versatile that allows you to bring what you need when you need it. %90 of the time I travel either the dual 112's or neoX212. I can always turn it down and I know I will get my tone over and over again without surprises.