When does thoery become reality II?

[Slot]

No worries champ.

But just remember that finger patterns will only get you so far. Eventually you're going to have to memorise each note, and also memorise the function of each note. But for now, knock yourself out with the finger patterns. I find that the more playing you do, the easier it will eventually become. Just have fun with it

Also, figure out a couple of alternate fingerings for them. That way you'll be able to find the notes you want, easier.

take it sleazy

 

[RicPlaya]

I could memorize the notes, but what is the functions of them?

 

[Slot]

Ok ....well lets pretend the chord is Cmaj

G-----------
D-----2----5-- = C, E, G
A--3---------
E------------

you can remember the notes C, E, and G. But when i say remember the function, im referring to remembering that, C=the root/1st, E=the 3rd, and G=the 5th.



The reasons they're named 1, 3, 5(and not 1,2,3) refers to which note they align with in the major scale....Egs(C major scale-Ionian)

C = root/1st/tonic
D = 2nd (major second)
E = 3rd(major 3rd)
F = 4th (perfect 4th)
G = 5th (perfect 5th
A = 6th (major 6th)
B = 7th (major 7th)
C = Ocatve/8th/1st/root

This is all probably going a bit deep at the moment, but just for comparative sake, i'll show you the same thing with Cmin(cminor scale-Aeolian)

The arpeggio would be
G------
D---------5 = C, Eb, G
A--3--6--
E-------

C = Root/1st/tonic
D = 2nd (major second)
Eb = Minor 3rd/flat 3rd
F = perfect 4th/4th
G = perfect 5th/5th
Ab = Minor 6th/flat 6
Bb = Minor 7th/ flat 7
C = ocatve/root/1st



So some examples might be....

Q: whats the function of the G in Cmaj?

A = Its the 5th


Q: whats the function of the Eb in the Cmin chord?

A = Its the minor 3rd(you would normally just refer to it as being a 3rd though ...the minute the word "minor" is mentioned, its pretty obvious that the 3rd is a minor/flat one.

Q = Whats the function of the E in the Cmajor chord?

A = Its the 3rd


Sorry if i went a little too deep there man, but basically thats what is being reffered to when people mention "note function"

keep firing away with the questions if you want, i dont mind at all.

 

[Slot]

WHOA ....STOP STOP STOP ...

I totally farged up writing the arpeggio's in Tab.

Go back and re check the post where i posted the arpeggio's, because they were wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!

Give me a min to edit them ...

Sorry dude......ive never really written tabs before, and as you can see, i sUCk!

Edit: doneski ....sorry dude, im a fargin dufus

 

[RicPlaya]

No problem brother take your time.

 

[Howard K]

I totally farged up writing the arpeggio's in Tab.

And the moral of that story is?!

Dont use tab!

 

[thrash_jazz]

Originally posted by RicPlaya
Unfortunately it's modern rock which mostly is very easy stuff, root notes not much thoery.

Heres some that seem to have more complex bass lines of the stuff we play.

Be like that Three Doors down
Ziggy Stardust Bowie
Say it aint so Weezer
18 Alice Cooper
Last Resort Papa Roach

Hmmm, the only one of that bunch that I know off the top of my head is "Say it Ain't So".

Lots of root notes, yes, but there's always theory involved.

Weezer plays mostly power chords in this song, as I recall - these are root/5th chords. Since these notes are found in both the major and minor scales, then you can't tell from the guitar chords what the exact key is (that is, the tonality is not defined). So try listening to the vocal melody and/or lead guitar, which clearly denote a major key.

You could use this knowledge to "spice up" the bass line using notes from the major scale (major triads, as Slot explained, would be a good place to start) if you wanted to, but be careful. Part of playing bass well lies in knowing when and when not to keep it simple.

In the end, no matter how much theory you know or don't know, it's your ears that will tell you whether something fits or not - it's a matter of training them to detect this. However, if you're trying to break the rules, it helps to know what they are first.

Hope this helps