At my biggest gigs, I use a Mesa 400+ into a Bergie 610, EV 215, and Bergie 210. If thats not loud enough, I dunno what is.
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When is too much too much
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You can do cool stuff with a rig like that. Put one 4x10 on each side of the drum riser (you better have a drum riser), and your P.House where your amp would normally go. Even at low volume, nothing beats the sound of bass coming from a ton of speakers.
if you can't carry it all in one hand, you are using too much.
all you need's a sansamp and a tiny combo for you to hear all that tubey goodness on stage, run a line to the PA liek all the cool guys do.
all you need's a sansamp and a tiny combo for you to hear all that tubey goodness on stage, run a line to the PA liek all the cool guys do.
NecroticImbecil said:
I've responded this exact thing to you about a million times - a Sansamp doesn't hold a candle to a tube power section. I don't think that even a CXL-112 could cut it on a loud rock stage, let alone a "tiny combo."
In fact, just to defy this guy, I'd say get an SVT and run it through a NV610 and NV215 from one side of an octave-up pedal, and through the high side, a Bassman 100 and a Marshall 1960.
And, I'll amend your statement to read: "If God can't carry it in one hand, you're using too much."
dont be hatin
im just a product of my environment
Ok so maybe yoou are right and you would need more than a tiny vcombo. but there are lots of smart people saying just use a 1 12! loojk below! so i have to believe them and the guys who say, use a pa, and of course everybody eve3n the tube guys use a sansamp so... that must be the way to go. I got a 112 combo already, savin up for thye sansamp, then i'll be all set. this getting a rig stuff is so simple!
but maybe even so.. if th evolume is not enough. at least you do not dispute the tubey goodness of the sansamp. the rig you describe... it would need 2 sansamos, then it would sound like a really loud tube amp, only 2! evryone knows even a tube amp needs help from a sansamp to saound good. i just figure why bother witht he tube ampo if thats the case. sorry if you got upset! HUGS!
and now your moment of ze3n
could god make a bass rig so big he couldn't carry it in one hand?
hmm, well, thats one for the philanthropists to figure out!
im just a product of my environment
Ok so maybe yoou are right and you would need more than a tiny vcombo. but there are lots of smart people saying just use a 1 12! loojk below! so i have to believe them and the guys who say, use a pa, and of course everybody eve3n the tube guys use a sansamp so... that must be the way to go. I got a 112 combo already, savin up for thye sansamp, then i'll be all set. this getting a rig stuff is so simple!
but maybe even so.. if th evolume is not enough. at least you do not dispute the tubey goodness of the sansamp. the rig you describe... it would need 2 sansamos, then it would sound like a really loud tube amp, only 2! evryone knows even a tube amp needs help from a sansamp to saound good. i just figure why bother witht he tube ampo if thats the case. sorry if you got upset! HUGS!
and now your moment of ze3n
could god make a bass rig so big he couldn't carry it in one hand?
hmm, well, thats one for the philanthropists to figure out!
ttyR2 said:
+1 the rest of the band can turn up, why not have the ablitiy to...if i had the money, i would run a 8x10 or two and still run through the PA...
syciprider said:
Yeah, saw your post about your garage sale SVT. Nice find!
I'm diggin' the Fender. The EQ gives you a ton of tone shaping options, not to mention the dual compressors and the "regular" tone controls. Even before I fiddled with all the settings, I was getting compliments from my band on the tone.
Hang with that SVT for a while before you do anything. Maybe you'll find "your" tone. The odds of finding another $300 SVT are pretty slim.
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Moma Jones said:
I guess it would depend on how big the venues are that you play and wether or not you have PA support. What kind of music do you play? Is the rest of your band really loud??
If you have someone to help ya around with all that gear, or have no problem doing it yourself then who cares if some guy with a little rig says "thats too much"...my current rig is pretty portable, but I would still like to have a huge monster rig of doom which would make people's eyeballs shake!!
Sure, you probably wont need all of that power most of the time, but isnt it nice to know that you have it if you ever need it?
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"Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it", as they say.
Just because you have it, doesn't mean you have to max it. In fact rigs sound cleaner if they aren't pushed near their limit.
So: if there's room onstage and you don't turn it up too loud, then bring as much gear as you feel like carrying.
Finally: PA is a good thing, but I bring big rigs because I rarely get to go through one. 95% of the time, my stage rig has to fill a medium sized bar or restaurant. So, that's why my typical rig is either a 6x10, or a 3x10/1x15 stack. And I bring lots of watts just in case.
Just because you have it, doesn't mean you have to max it. In fact rigs sound cleaner if they aren't pushed near their limit.
So: if there's room onstage and you don't turn it up too loud, then bring as much gear as you feel like carrying.
Finally: PA is a good thing, but I bring big rigs because I rarely get to go through one. 95% of the time, my stage rig has to fill a medium sized bar or restaurant. So, that's why my typical rig is either a 6x10, or a 3x10/1x15 stack. And I bring lots of watts just in case.
"And I bring lots of watts just in case."
Words to live by, right there...
As for the original topic, yeah, it sounds like quite a bit, but hey - if you can transport it, fit it onto your typical stage, and it works for you, then why not??? I play in a hard rock/metal band, and I've found a 410 + a 115 + a 600 watt SS head work well for me... I've got an additional 115 I *could* use, and it sure sounds great all together, but it's really not necessary, IMO...
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Words to live by, right there...
As for the original topic, yeah, it sounds like quite a bit, but hey - if you can transport it, fit it onto your typical stage, and it works for you, then why not??? I play in a hard rock/metal band, and I've found a 410 + a 115 + a 600 watt SS head work well for me... I've got an additional 115 I *could* use, and it sure sounds great all together, but it's really not necessary, IMO...
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It's only too much if the balance of the whole band suffers &/or if wearing good earplugs doesn't help.
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You seriously can never have enough amps. At least in my experiance.
The biggest I ever got was with a bi-amped full guitar-bass range system.
Using effects (distortion, octavers, and delay) I got a sound that was 4 octaves of each note I hit. All of the high end running through a VOX valetronix 1x12 hooked up to a Hughes and Kettner 4x12 guitar cab. All of the lows were run through my bass setup of a Hughes and Kettner Bassbase 400 and 2 4x10 cabs. And I also had a Gallien Krueger 112 backline combo hooked up running full range behind the drummer.
So that was 8x10's and 400 watts of low end, 5x12's and 60 watts of high end. and a 100 watts and 1x12 full range reference.
I got to do this for a couple show, before our guitar player was available again (2 piece Bass and drum shows)
The biggest I ever got was with a bi-amped full guitar-bass range system.
Using effects (distortion, octavers, and delay) I got a sound that was 4 octaves of each note I hit. All of the high end running through a VOX valetronix 1x12 hooked up to a Hughes and Kettner 4x12 guitar cab. All of the lows were run through my bass setup of a Hughes and Kettner Bassbase 400 and 2 4x10 cabs. And I also had a Gallien Krueger 112 backline combo hooked up running full range behind the drummer.
So that was 8x10's and 400 watts of low end, 5x12's and 60 watts of high end. and a 100 watts and 1x12 full range reference.
I got to do this for a couple show, before our guitar player was available again (2 piece Bass and drum shows)
Better to have too much than too little. Like I always say, I'm gonna be just a little bit louder than the drummer. Thata way he can pound to his little heart's content, and I'll be just that little bit louder. Remember in most venues you will play the drummer will set the volume. It's all in his hands as far as I'm concerned. If you are a real musician you'll understand dynamics anyway.
I have 2 different cabs but all the other stuff stays constant.
Pedal board: I always run both a Warwick Corvette 5-string and a Lakland 55-02 through a Radial Bassbone into an aphex punch factory compressor. Boss flanger & OD effects when needed.
Rig: I run the signal out of the aphex compressor as a passive bass and then plug the signal into my bbe preamp at the active input with the bbe preamp sonic maximizer on & compressor on, then the signal goes to a 31 band eq for a final shaping before it goes to the Crown CE1000 power amp.
Cabs: Big room, 1,100 watts bridged @ 4 ohms into a 4 ohm Mesa Powerhouse 1000 cab 4x10, 1x15. A great sounding cab! Best I ever had. Small room, stereo use only one channel 525 watts @8 ohms into an 8 ohm Ampeg 410 HLF.
Same rig & pedals every night keeps it simple. Different cabs for the difference in room size.
I have 2 different cabs but all the other stuff stays constant.
Pedal board: I always run both a Warwick Corvette 5-string and a Lakland 55-02 through a Radial Bassbone into an aphex punch factory compressor. Boss flanger & OD effects when needed.
Rig: I run the signal out of the aphex compressor as a passive bass and then plug the signal into my bbe preamp at the active input with the bbe preamp sonic maximizer on & compressor on, then the signal goes to a 31 band eq for a final shaping before it goes to the Crown CE1000 power amp.
Cabs: Big room, 1,100 watts bridged @ 4 ohms into a 4 ohm Mesa Powerhouse 1000 cab 4x10, 1x15. A great sounding cab! Best I ever had. Small room, stereo use only one channel 525 watts @8 ohms into an 8 ohm Ampeg 410 HLF.
Same rig & pedals every night keeps it simple. Different cabs for the difference in room size.
