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When Mass Killers Meet Armed Resistace

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Nothing. Nevermind. I forgot there's no crime in Europe.
If you are actually interested rather than just throwing around piffy little comments this document is very interesting in a comparison of international crime statistics:

http://www.csdp.org/research/hosb1203.pdf

Interestingly homicide in the USA if off the chart compared to pretty much anywhere in Europe (exceptions being Russia and Estonia) - but you can feel safe in the knowledge that you are not even a 10th of South Africa's average murder rate!

Violent crime is, comparitively, far higher in the UK than in the USA when you compare populations - but it does not correlate to the difference in homocide rates (roughly 2.5x the violent crime rate in the UK, vs 6 times the homicide rate in the US).

Anyway some interesting data.
 
There's a difference. If there is law enforcement engaged in dealing with the situation, then armed civilians need to stay the hell away. The problem is that there aren't police officers at every street corner.
Isn't there? There is a discussion raging, right now, on the over deployment of SWAT in the US.

I just read it all and got constantly beaten down on my beliefs that this is not the case. I'm told it is. Authoratively!

There are too many, and they make mistakes. So why not just move the specialist HQ's onto the school grounds and over deploy them there? They shoot a trenchcoated goth, sorry, EMO, idiot by mistake? Well the chances are good he'll be armed anyway and noone will be none the wiser if he was ill or not. Problem solved.
 
If you are actually interested rather than just throwing around piffy little comments this document is very interesting in a comparison of international crime statistics:

http://www.csdp.org/research/hosb1203.pdf

Interestingly homicide in the USA if off the chart compared to pretty much anywhere in Europe (exceptions being Russia and Estonia) - but you can feel safe in the knowledge that you are not even a 10th of South Africa's average murder rate!

Violent crime is, comparitively, far higher in the UK than in the USA when you compare populations - but it does not correlate to the difference in homocide rates (roughly 2.5x the violent crime rate in the UK, vs 6 times the homicide rate in the US).

Anyway some interesting data.

Interesting read. Is gun control (or lack there of) the problem/answer?

We've all been over this time and time again, but as long as there are violent crimes being commited I want to remain armed. For those who've posted before who don't want to be, good for them. You're happy to live in a heavily gun controlled country and I'm happy not to.
 
Isn't there? There is a discussion raging, right now, on the over deployment of SWAT in the US.

I just read it all and got constantly beaten down on my beliefs that this is not the case. I'm told it is. Authoratively!

There are too many, and they make mistakes. So why not just move the specialist HQ's onto the school grounds and over deploy them there? They shoot a trenchcoated goth, sorry, EMO, idiot by mistake? Well the chances are good he'll be armed anyway and noone will be none the wiser if he was ill or not. Problem solved.

Time to take a break from the internet.
 
The concern about retaliatory shooting is definitely a very valid one, but something should be pointed out -- in the 4 cases cited in the article, only 1 of them involved shooting on the part of the "armed resistance," and that was done by an off-duty police officer who was clearly trained in the use of firearms.

You don't have to shoot your gun to get a result.

Even though I live in Canada, I spent the last 8 months in a pretty high-crime area of Toronto (and will be spending the next 4 years there as well, gotta get that degree now) and saw a fair amount of violent crime, though nothing compared the northern part of the city or in urban centres in the US. Some, I was able to help stop with the help of a couple friends. There was, however, more than one altercation we had to simply walk away from and call the cops, because there's no way we could've interfered and left walking. It's in these situations that make me wonder if one of us had a conceal-carry that maybe things could've been stopped well before something bad happened.
 
I'm so happy I don't live in the US :smirk:
So are we. ;)






A few years ago I was in Phoenix, AZ and we went into a restaurant for lunch. It was a BBQ place with a western motif and all the waitresses were dressed as cowgirls with sixguns in open holsters on their belts. A good number of customers there were also carrying openly (perfectly legal there). I was not armed, but I've never felt so safe in a public situation in my life. I asked our waitress about all the hardware and was told that the establishment had never been robbed. ;)
 
So are we. ;)






A few years ago I was in Phoenix, AZ and we went into a restaurant for lunch. It was a BBQ place with a western motif and all the waitresses were dressed as cowgirls with sixguns in open holsters on their belts. A good number of customers there were also carrying openly (perfectly legal there). I was not armed, but I've never felt so safe in a public situation in my life. I asked our waitress about all the hardware and was told that the establishment had never been robbed. ;)
Well...I would imagine so! :D Did you read the Darwin award about the guy trying to rob a gun store? Between the on-duty police officer's Glock, the store-owner's Desert Eagle, and the 7 or so patrons in there at the time (all carrying,) there wasn't much left of him. Wow.
 
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