Where is Charles Bertroud?

[coy garcia]

This reminds me of all those times non-musicians say things like, "I wish I had musical talent" or "your lucky to have talent" and I always say "talent is wanting to play so bad that you invest the time into learning, it does come easier for some but it's really desire to learn and hours invested" This guy has truly paid his dues.. Respect!!

 

[Nev375]

I’m a firm believer that luck is simply what occurs at the crossroads of preparation and opportunity.

It's cool that your belief is so firm and all that.

I guess I never made it down to that particular crossroads. Do you suppose it has to do with where we start out on the road? Maybe it's my fault I was born too many miles away, the wrong color for the times or had no one to point me in the right direction.

 

[J_Bass]

Never heard of him either .. they say he’s a good YouTube player .. another of those slap/tap/happy guys who started by showing off their chops, trying to evolve towards comedy when they realised that the audience’s comments were starting to cool down I guess.
Boring, another movie I’ve already seen I believe, although, to be honest I’ve never watched any of his videos.
I prefer guys such as JULES JACKSON, whom I can learn something usable from.
But this is just me and my 2 cents.

Those 2 cents couldn't be more misinformed if they tried.




No, he is not a good youtube player. He is a great bass player. One of the best out there. With hundreds of live shows under his belt, with bands, or solo.


"Boring, another movie I’ve already seen I believe, although, to be honest I’ve never watched any of his videos."
Hahahahaha!

 

[cnltb]

Read the thread.

...nice...


All that said; I have now found links in this thread - those useful things, some post to inform others about certain things without even having to 'say' anything. (whilst others decide to leave snide comments - a bit like I am doing now - , which are ever so slightly less helpful).


Yes, I had seen Charles Berthoud before and yes...a good player he is.

 

[Snert]

"talent is wanting to play so bad that you invest the time into learning, it does come easier for some but it's really desire to learn and hours invested"

Definitely stealing that.

 

[J_Bass]

...nice...


All that said; I have now found links in this thread - those useful things, some post to inform others about certain things without even having to 'say' anything. (whilst others decide to leave snide comments - a bit like I am doing now - , which are ever so slightly less helpful).


Yes, I had seen Charles Berthoud before and yes...a good player he is.

I think it was an appropriate reply to your original "snide" comment.

The big letter bold question. The little letter answer. Classic mocking TB comment about younger super talented players. I've seen it in this thread, in threads about Davie504, Joe Dart, etc.. I've seen it in younger bands, like King Gizzard, Greta Van Fleet, etc..
I've even seen comments like that towards Justin Mehdal Johnson, or Janek Gwizdala.

And then we wonder why those more notorious players don't show up, here.


And then you say you know who Berthoud is, after all.
So, I think my reply was more than appropriate.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

I think Charles is awesome. Incredibly impressive player with mad dedication.

 

[cnltb]

I think it was an appropriate reply to your original "snide" comment.

The big letter bold question. The little letter answer. Classic mocking TB comment about younger super talented players. I've seen it in this thread, in threads about Davie504, Joe Dart, etc.. I've seen it in younger bands, like King Gizzard, Greta Van Fleet, etc..
I've even seen comments like that towards Justin Mehdal Johnson, or Janek Gwizdala.

And then we wonder why those more notorious players don't show up, here.


And then you say you know who Berthoud is, after all.
So, I think my reply was more than appropriate.

There was nothing snide about my initial post.

I did not recognise the name and still have not found a bassist by the name Charles Bertroud. Hence my question.
Then I looked it up and found Charles Berthoud guessing it might be that, a player I had heard of, and said so in my post.

Here you go; the whole story.

I do agree with what you say apart from that however.

 

[RichterScale]

Incredible tapping.

Meh, he just got lucky

 

[J_Bass]

Haha!

 

[RichterScale]

Yes, it doesn’t seem like luck to them. But I think it is now generally accepted that is a form of survivorship bias.

The other side of the luck coin holds the folks who were just as talented but had some catastrophe or another befall them.

Not to short change Charles on the obvious hard work, dedication, and talent he has.

It's cool that your belief is so firm and all that.

I guess I never made it down to that particular crossroads. Do you suppose it has to do with where we start out on the road? Maybe it's my fault I was born too many miles away, the wrong color for the times or had no one to point me in the right direction.

I think we've split off into 2 completely different conversations and 2 different applications of the word luck.
What I'm seeing as the whole "luck is opportunity+preparation" point is applied to situations like the CB. Where he didn't become recognized because he just happened to be standing in the right place at the right time. He had opportunities that he was prepared for and took advantage of. Kinda like when you come from nothing, beg for a job sweeping floors and 20 yrs later you're running the company. Then people tell you "you're lucky" because you have a nice house and money in the bank. It's not "survivorship bias". It's insulting when you know how hard you've worked to have what you have and people haven't the slightest idea what you've been through and had to overcome to be where you are. Then they call you lucky, as if it fell out of the sky, or someone just handed it all to you just because you had the right eye color. The assumption always seems to be that if someone has something, it was due to luck, or some type of privilege.
Certainly wasn't the case for me.
An act like the Monkeys? Sure, I could skip the semantics and agree that a few no talent hacks got lucky, because they were successful and didn't do much to earn it. I wouldn't call a guy like CB "lucky". If he was faking it and still successful, I'd say he got a little lucky. Although, being a fraud is also hard work, but sometimes you need a little luck to get away with it.
My point is, there are times when you are a victim of circumstances that you have no control over. And there are times when you have control of a circumstance and it's outcome is based solely on the choices you make. It's not all one or the other. Life has both.

 

[Nev375]

Personally, I don't think one can will ones self to success through careful planning and hard work alone. There are always other factors and variables that figure into our success eventually. At any moment, any one of us could suffer a medical or environmental disaster that could flush the entirety of our effort to zero in a single heartbeat. At the same time a chance meeting with the correct individual with seemingly unlimited resources and an interest in you could propel any one of us to unknown heights regardless of our current level of expertise. Even a literal monkey can be an entertainer in a song and dance act. Just give him a funny suit and a hat and play the squeeze box yourself. He will collect the money.

Of course, there's a lot to be said for believing you are the master of your destiny and the architect of your own opportunities. It's an arrogant mindset, but it's also a healthy one. No one gets anywhere without effort and a good solid belief in ones self.

And as insulting as it feels to have people discredit all that hard work with words like wankery or "just got lucky in the right place and right time" It's also insulting to discredit all the people who helped you get there. Someone at some point sold you an instrument. Someone taught you where the notes were and what a Major triad was at some point. Even if you read it from a book, someone wrote it down. Someone introduced you to music. Someone went with you to your first concert. Someone somewhere inspired you to keep going when it seemed too hard. Someone gave you breastmilk when you were a baby. And most of us have had a loan at some point.

The point. ...which I'm getting to. Is there's a little bit of truth to all these points of view. And the journey to anywhere successful is pretty complicated. It can't be boiled down to anything like luck or effort or any simple equation or philosophy. But you'd be a fool to think that both luck AND effort weren't a factor MANY TIMES along the way. We are lucky just to be able to be here talking about it. So many unimaginable things could have gone wrong along the way.

 

[stubborne]

My band practiced last nite, I played Mustang Sally 3 times. I think I almost got it down. If we get lucky maybe we can get a gig.

 

[Snert]

My band practiced last nite, I played Mustang Sally 3 times. I think I almost got it down. If we get lucky maybe we can get a gig.

Next, work on Freebird. Then we'll talk.

 

[Nuage420]

My band practiced last nite, I played Mustang Sally 3 times. I think I almost got it down. If we get lucky maybe we can get a gig.

Add the sweater song by Weezer and you'll definitely lock one in

 

[stubborne]

Add the sweater song by Weezer and you'll definitely lock one in

It took me 17293 hours to get this far, I'm thinking the next 2707 hours something amazing is gonna happen.

 

[HolmeBass]

I think we've split off into 2 completely different conversations and 2 different applications of the word luck.
What I'm seeing as the whole "luck is opportunity+preparation" point is applied to situations like the CB. Where he didn't become recognized because he just happened to be standing in the right place at the right time. He had opportunities that he was prepared for and took advantage of. Kinda like when you come from nothing, beg for a job sweeping floors and 20 yrs later you're running the company. Then people tell you "you're lucky" because you have a nice house and money in the bank. It's not "survivorship bias". It's insulting when you know how hard you've worked to have what you have and people haven't the slightest idea what you've been through and had to overcome to be where you are. Then they call you lucky, as if it fell out of the sky, or someone just handed it all to you just because you had the right eye color. The assumption always seems to be that if someone has something, it was due to luck, or some type of privilege.
Certainly wasn't the case for me.
An act like the Monkeys? Sure, I could skip the semantics and agree that a few no talent hacks got lucky, because they were successful and didn't do much to earn it. I wouldn't call a guy like CB "lucky". If he was faking it and still successful, I'd say he got a little lucky. Although, being a fraud is also hard work, but sometimes you need a little luck to get away with it.
My point is, there are times when you are a victim of circumstances that you have no control over. And there are times when you have control of a circumstance and it's outcome is based solely on the choices you make. It's not all one or the other. Life has both.

It’s a nice story, but lots of careful research has shown it simply is not the case. Every success story is dependent on luck. Not acknowledging that luck is a known human bias. On the other side, not acknowledging the part luck plays in failures is also a known human bias - especially by the successful.

Try reading Kahneman’s “Thinking, Fast and Slow”, or check out this Veritasium
video:

 

[swagbotbilly]

this thread:

 

[H K]

I can almost hear him tapping a reply...

im dying. bert reply ever

 

[J_Bass]

this thread:

Maybe we'll get lucky and the off-topic finally stops. We surely deserve it, by now.