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Where is the orange love?

I was watching some live performances from the 70’s on YouTube and noticed a couple orange stacks, the highlight being the AD200. It took me down a rabbit hole of research and I’m really wanting to try one. I rarely see them mentioned on talkbass compared to an Ampeg or fender Vintage amp and see them selling for $1500-2000.

From what I understand, they don’t really color your tone very much and are pretty transparent.

Wanting to hear some opinions of people that have played or owned them. Specifically the AD200.
 
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I was watching some live performances from the 70’s on YouTube and noticed a couple orange stacks, the highlight being the AD200. It took me down a rabbit hole of research and I’m really wanting to try one. I rarely see them mentioned on talkbass compared to an Ampeg or fender Vintage amp and see them selling for $1500-2000.

From what I understand, they don’t really color your tone very much and are pretty transparent.

Wanting to hear some opinions of people that have played or owned them. Specifically the AD200.

I absolutely love the Orange AD200 but whoever told you it doesn't colour your tone was possibly pulling your leg. It has Orange baked into it from 0 to 10 on every knob.

You can find the Orange club thread here:
Official Orange Club II
 
I was watching some live performances from the 70’s on YouTube and noticed a couple orange stacks, the highlight being the AD200. It took me down a rabbit hole of research and I’m really wanting to try one. I rarely see them mentioned on talkbass compared to an Ampeg or fender Vintage amp and see them selling for $1500-2000.

From what I understand, they don’t really color your tone very much and are pretty transparent.

Wanting to hear some opinions of people that have played or owned them. Specifically the AD200.

I am absolutely certain you did not see an Orange AD200 in any live performance videos from the 70s. Orange had a pretty troubled history, and the current version of the company did not come into existence until the late 90s. The AD series amps were developed by the current company, and although they may look similar to the old amps, the AD200B sounds more like a vintage Fender than a vintage OR200.

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Some call these old Orange heads Ormats. This is an OR200.

AFAIK, all of the OR200s were made by Matamp and are extremely closely related to the vintage Matamp GT200. The early amps had James tone stacks and put out a bit more than 200W clean. The AD200B tone stack is pretty much a direct copy of a Fender tone stack, although the component values are a bit different. Also the AD200B only makes about 165-170W clean. It sound fabulous as long as you don't run really heavy bass. If you crank up the bass too much, the amp tends to lose focus and mush out at fairly low volume.

I own an AD200B and I think it is a fabulous sounding amp and have written quite a few posts here on Talkbass. IMHO if you max out the (master) Volume control it sounds and behaves more like a big blackface Fender Showman than any other amp I have played. However if you dial the Volume back and crank of the Gain control, the preamp quickly transitions into OD. A lot of people complain this occurs much too quickly. I learned to play on a blackface Fender Twin so I really like the AD200B (it feels like home), and 170W is a nice amount of power.

My SVTs are noticeably louder and have a different voice. Their frequency response is actually flatter, but I think some people will have the perception that the AD200B is a bit more HiFi because it scoops out some of the mid range frequencies that you may not want to hear. This is not good or bad, it's just different. You can't make an SVT sound like an AD200B and you can't make an AD200B sound like an SVT. Nothing wrong with having both IMHO...or choose the one you like best.

For the record I also own a vintage Matamp GT120 which is fairly closely related to their old GT200s and the old Orange OR200s. I don't really think my AD200B and GT120 sound very similar.

AFAIK there is plenty of love for the AD200B. There is also a fair amount of criticism. IMHO try it out and form your own opinion.
 
I am absolutely certain you did not see an Orange AD200 in any live performance videos from the 70s. Orange had a pretty troubled history, and the current version of the company did not come into existence until the late 90s. The AD series amps were developed by the current company, and although they may look similar to the old amps, the AD200B sounds more like a vintage Fender than a vintage OR200.

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Some call these old Orange heads Ormats. This is an OR200.

AFAIK, all of the OR200s were made by Matamp and are extremely closely related to the vintage Matamp GT200. The early amps had James tone stacks and put out a bit more than 200W clean. The AD200B tone stack is pretty much a direct copy of a Fender tone stack, although the component values are a bit different. Also the AD200B only makes about 165-170W clean. It sound fabulous as long as you don't run really heavy bass. If you crank up the bass too much, the amp tends to lose focus and mush out at fairly low volume.

I own an AD200B and I think it is a fabulous sounding amp and have written quite a few posts here on Talkbass. IMHO if you max out the (master) Volume control it sounds and behaves more like a big blackface Fender Showman than any other amp I have played. However if you dial the Volume back and crank of the Gain control, the preamp quickly transitions into OD. A lot of people complain this occurs much too quickly. I learned to play on a blackface Fender Twin so I really like the AD200B (it feels like home), and 170W is a nice amount of power.

My SVTs are noticeably louder and have a different voice. Their frequency response is actually flatter, but I think some people will have the perception that the AD200B is a bit more HiFi because it scoops out some of the mid range frequencies that you may not want to hear. This is not good or bad, it's just different. You can't make an SVT sound like an AD200B and you can't make an AD200B sound like an SVT. Nothing wrong with having both IMHO...or choose the one you like best.

For the record I also own a vintage Matamp GT120 which is fairly closely related to their old GT200s and the old Orange OR200s. I don't really think my AD200B and GT120 sound very similar.

AFAIK there is plenty of love for the AD200B. There is also a fair amount of criticism. IMHO try it out and form your own opinion.

Thank you, I’m pretty ignorant on the history of orange so this is cool to read. I definitely want to try one out but they are a bit pricey so trying to get some knowledge before just buying it.

What’s interesting is I’ve never had anyone in my local scene gig with one but I’m very interested in getting one.
 
Thank you, I’m pretty ignorant on the history of orange so this is cool to read. I definitely want to try one out but they are a bit pricey so trying to get some knowledge before just buying it.

What’s interesting is I’ve never had anyone in my local scene gig with one but I’m very interested in getting one.

Yes I think the biggest criticism is the price is a bit high for the level of performance and quality of manufacturing. Overall I think it's a very nice sounding amp, but always a good idea to try before you buy as tastes vary. The EQ works well IMHO, but is fairly limited.

FYI I bought mine used in essentially mint condition for $1400 shipped in late 2015. The only mark on the amp was a black mar on the back of the chassis that came off with a bit of goo gone. I believe that was a really good deal.
 
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Yes I think the biggest criticism is the price is a bit high for the level of performance and quality of manufacturing. Overall I think it's a very nice sounding amp, but always a good idea to try before you buy as tastes vary. The EQ works well IMHO, but is fairly limited.

FYI I bought mine used in essentially mint condition for $1400 shipped in late 2015. The only mark on the amp was a black mar on the back of the chassis that came off with a bit of goo gone. I believe that was a really good deal.

There is a local Thunderverb 200 to me for about $1800, would it be close to the AD200 or a different animal all together?
 
The AD200 is an awful amp for the price and the Terror Bass 1000 sounds almost as good for way cheaper and has way more headroom. Also I own a Matamp GT 150 and there's no way it has enough clean headroom to play bass through at any reasonable volume. The GT 200 might because it has different transformers but I doubt it. Matamps are also built significantly better and are about the same price for a hand wired amp built by hand vs a chinese PCB amp from China put together in England.

Either get a SVT or some solid state amp. 200 tubes watts isn't enough headroom for clean tones on bass.

Edit: Also every good Orange amp was made by Matamp and none of the newer models even come close to being as good as the old ones and I'm a fan of Orange.
 
There is a local Thunderverb 200 to me for about $1800, would it be close to the AD200 or a different animal all together?

I have not played through a Thunderverb, but I wondered the same thing years ago. The research I did suggests Thunderverb is a different animal and not as good for bass.
 
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The AD200 is an awful amp for the price and the Terror Bass 1000 sounds almost as good for way cheaper and has way more headroom. Also I own a Matamp GT 150 and there's no way it has enough clean headroom to play bass through at any reasonable volume. The GT 200 might because it has different transformers but I doubt it. Matamps are also built significantly better and are about the same price for a hand wired amp built by hand vs a chinese PCB amp from China put together in England.

Either get a SVT or some solid state amp. 200 tubes watts isn't enough headroom for clean tones on bass.

Edit: Also every good Orange amp was made by Matamp and none of the newer models even come close to being as good as the old ones and I'm a fan of Orange.

The early 90s reissue Orange amps were not really the same as the originals. The ones I have played through were very harsh and nasty sounding. The reissue amps did not sale very well and IMHO are really the biggest source of the bad blood between Matamp and Orange. During this era the name Orange was licensed by Gibson. From what I understand, Matamp essentially financed the run of reissue amps for Gibson, and Gibson never paid Matamp for making them. So AFAIK Matamp should really be mad at Gibson.

It's also possible Matamp deserves some of the blame, because it's hard to sell amps that sound awful. I have no idea if Matamp or Gibson specified the design changes.

After the Gibson era. The current version of Orange was reorganized under the original owner, and to be fair I think he had some shady dealing with Matamp as well. But I don't think he should necessarily be on the hook for Gibson's BS.

I totally accept that 200W is not loud enough for your needs, but it is loud enough for some people. The AD200B would be about the smallest amp I would want to use live. As I mentioned, it makes about 165-170W clean.

The lowest powered amp I have ever gigged was a blackface Fender Twin, which is considered 85W clean. I toured professionally for over two decades and used a 210 with about 250W for everything up to full stadium events and major fests. In most occasions where I needed more, the PA was equipped with huge fold back monitors and possibly side fills...which is why the amp was not enough.

IMHO it's really a mistake to compare the AD200B to a Matamp, because the comparison is essentially apples to oranges, if you don't mind me making a bit of a joke. My point is the only real heritage between the old OR200 and the AD200B IMHO is the appearance. I think the AD200B sounds great but it does not sound like a Matamp.

I also agree that Matamp's build quality is far superior. You can order a Matamp a MkII GT200 straight from there website for £1949 GBP, which today is just over $2500 USD. Shipping is extra. What you probably can't do is try out a Matamp, so you will be buying it blind, unless you happen to live in Britain and feel like a road trip. The impression I get is Matamp is great to deal with if you can visit them, but I have heard some negatives about dealing with them on the phone or via email.

The build quality on the Orange is not what I would really call sub standard. It's pretty much standard fare for a modern amp. AFAIK the amp does not have major reliability problems. But I believe the tube sockets and controls are mounted to the circuit board which does tend to cause problems long term. Essentially the amp is made for a finite life more like a solid state amp.

Traditionally, tube amps are made more robust and can be repaired indefinitely. However, there are plenty of modern tube amps are made to a similar quality level as the AD200B. I agree they are somewhat pricey for what you get, but they have also been holding their value surprisingly well. As I mentioned I bought mine in near mint condition a few years back for $1400. AFAIK you will be very lucky to find a clean AD200B for that price today.

I believe modern Matamps use turret board construction. A modern Matamp would probably survive a nuclear blast. So if your family is genetically predisposed to playing bass, you could hand a modern Matamp down through the generations.

I would not say the same about a vintage Matamp or vintage Orange, as they were made with circuit cards that are fairly fragile. Despite the low quality of the circuit cards, people seem to keep them running just fine. So I have no doubt that repairs could be done on an AD200B as well.
 
The AD200 is an awful amp for the price and the Terror Bass 1000 sounds almost as good for way cheaper and has way more headroom. Also I own a Matamp GT 150 and there's no way it has enough clean headroom to play bass through at any reasonable volume. The GT 200 might because it has different transformers but I doubt it. Matamps are also built significantly better and are about the same price for a hand wired amp built by hand vs a chinese PCB amp from China put together in England.

Either get a SVT or some solid state amp. 200 tubes watts isn't enough headroom for clean tones on bass.

Edit: Also every good Orange amp was made by Matamp and none of the newer models even come close to being as good as the old ones and I'm a fan of Orange.
Not my experience at all, and I have owned more than my fair share of powerful all tube heads over the past 45 odd years. In fact, the only tube head I currently own is an AD200. I sold one once and within six months I had replaced it with a new one. Obviously very much a question of personal taste and you are entitled to your opinion. For my purposes and taste the AD200 is pretty hard to beat. Mind you, these days I often go out with an Aguilar DB751 or Bergantino Forte HP.
 
Sometimes I think some of you folks would crawl 10 miles, naked, on your hands and knees, through broken glass, just to poop in someone’s punch bowl.

The AD200 is plenty loud and it sounds plenty good. It is an expensive amp. At least in the states it is. I’ve seen some disagreement on whether it’s sound is what folks like to call transparent. I call it organic. It pretty much sounds like the guitar that I plug into it. This is my opinion which is based on my experience and my ears, which are both considerable.
 
Hello!
Theres a lot of info on this thread. I do not have any exp. with the AD200 but I've been gassing for one for years!
Here's my latest rig.
New type, Orange Terror Bass 500, 210 mini, OBC115. This is a rockin' set-up. IMO its very "transparent" or "organic". It absolutely delivers the sound of the bass plugged in, in my limited experience with different amps, I've never heard another so transparent. With that said, this amp is pretty diverse. Hit the 'clean' switch, crank the volume and use the gain for loudness and its clean and load! Flip the switch back turn the gain to about 1-2 o'clock, turn up the volume and get a nice Orange OD sound... I love this amp. It also sound awesome through my old Peavey TVX 410 @4ohm, and it weighs less than 20 pounds.

Cheers!
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The AD200 is great but expensive IMO. I really liked mine. But really only wanted that clean orange sound and decided I didn't want to deal with the weight and size. I've tried several Orange amps. Gigged the original Terror bass a lot. That was great in a good room but the limited EQ became a problem for me. Have heard the new Terror Bass 500's are more flexible. Didn't have enough clean volume with the OB1-500. Sounded good though.

I had given up on that "clean" Orange sound until the Little Bass Thing popped up. Was hesitant to pick one up. Recently did. Tried with a jazz Trio last night though a single 12. It's that clean Orange sound. Which isn't clean, but more chewy gooey and great in a mix. My jazz bass sounded like a jazz bass should. Set for the room and didn't touch until we were done. Someday I hope to see how it works with a rock band and live.

I guess I'm saying I really like Orange amps. They aren't for everyone. And not all their products work for me but when they set out to do something they always seem to hit the target. Plus everything I've had has been encased in a very tough enclosure. The Little bass thing is about the size of a Little Mark amp but feels a lot more solid.