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Where to start with theory?

Hey TalkBass!

I tried searching some older threads for an idea but couldn't get an answer I was looking for so here it is. I'm looking to learn more theory than I already know which isn't a lot. I know basic major and minor scales and I know how to arpeggiate chords. I don't know where to start. I sadly don't have money for a teacher so an instructor is out of the question. Any ideas? Even if you could point me in the direction of a thread that would greatly be appreciated. I'm thankful for all posts. :)
 
IF you dont know how to read staff music then I would start there
after that I would say learn your circle of fifths. Get all the keys memorized.

that makes dealing with chords a lot, lot easier
 
Hey TalkBass!
I tried searching some older threads for an idea but couldn't get an answer I was looking for so here it is. I'm looking to learn more theory than I already know which isn't a lot. I know basic major and minor scales and I know how to arpeggiate chords. I don't know where to start. I sadly don't have money for a teacher so an instructor is out of the question. Any ideas? Even if you could point me in the direction of a thread that would greatly be appreciated. I'm thankful for all posts. :)

IMO - There is not time in a 30 minute music lesson for the normal "how to play" and then a discussion of the theory about why that sounds good, so if you are lucky, the instructor will give you some extra homework. So you can work on your theory in conjunction with what you are now doing in your practice sessions. That gets you to the why of what you are doing sounds so good. I also think this should be done before or after your normal practice schedule, i.e. separate. An extra 30 minutes a day. Since an instructor is not an option and IMO theory is really left up to us, I recommend we start theory here..................

You say you know your scales. Quick, what are the notes in the B major scale? As everything starts with the major scale do you know how to construct all 12 of the major scales? Which notes (sharps and or flats) are in each. I have a chart that I keep handy, however know that WWHWWWH and WHWWHWW will eventually get me those notes. As will these memory pegs:
  • See God Destroy All Earth By F#irey C#haos.
  • Fat Cats Go Down Allies Eating Birds.
  • Farmer Brown Eats Apple Dumplings Greasley Cooked.
If you would like more detail on any of this, ask.

Can you stack one of those scales in 3rds to find the chords made from that scale. Using this you do not need a chord chart you will always be able to figure out which chords go with each scale - and the chord spelling R-3-5-b7 (chord tones) of each. If you would like more detail on any of this, ask.

That gets the scales (melody notes) and chords (harmony) now putting them together is the next step. This brings us to chord progressions and why have the I-IV-V-I progression been used in a zillion songs. What makes it so special? If you would like more detail on chord progressions, ask.

Now the big WOW. For chords and scales to sound good together the melody notes and the notes of the chord have to share some of the same notes. When the melody line and the chord progression have some of the same notes active at the same time in a song we get harmonization, and if we get harmonization things sound good. If you would like more detail on any of this, ask. Ask who? Here or Google. When you need more theory I have found that Google can normally answer a specific question. Gotta get specific if you want an answer. https://www.google.com/search?sourc...ody&gs_upl=0l0l0l94278lllllllllll0&aqi=g2g-v3

When you understand how to get the specific notes in any scale so you can come up with the specific chords for that scale and know how to use those two things to make music, then you are ready for the rest of the story.

Take it one step at a time, I recommend you start with what are the notes for those 12 major scales.

Now if you are beyond this - already understand all that then you have already built the foundation necessary to understand the following:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f22/music-theory-general-instruction-links-56761/
Online Bass Lessons at StudyBass.com
Ricci Adams' Musictheory.net
[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
Exercises in melody-writing: a systematic course of melodic composition ... - Percy Goetschius - Google Books
Peace Piece (Bill Evans) - solo jazz piano - YouTube
Hal Galper's Master Class - Technique, Part 2 - YouTube And that brings us back to chord tones and let the melody be your quide.......

Google can get you started on the rest of what you need. I found Google a big help.


Good luck.
 
IMO - There is not time in a 30 minute music lesson for the normal "how to play" and then a discussion of the theory about why that sounds good, so if you are lucky, the instructor will give you some extra homework. So you can work on your theory in conjunction with what you are now doing in your practice sessions. That gets you to the why of what you are doing sounds so good. I also think this should be done before or after your normal practice schedule, i.e. separate. An extra 30 minutes a day. Since an instructor is not an option and IMO theory is really left up to us, I recommend we start theory here..................

You say you know your scales. Quick, what are the notes in the B major scale? As everything starts with the major scale do you know how to construct all 12 of the major scales? Which notes (sharps and or flats) are in each. I have a chart that I keep handy, however know that WWHWWWH and WHWWHWW will eventually get me those notes. As will these memory pegs:
  • See God Destroy All Earth By F#irey C#haos.
  • Fat Cats Go Down Allies Eating Birds.
  • Farmer Brown Eats Apple Dumplings Greasley Cooked.
If you would like more detail on any of this, ask.

Can you stack one of those scales in 3rds to find the chords made from that scale. Using this you do not need a chord chart you will always be able to figure out which chords go with each scale - and the chord spelling R-3-5-b7 (chord tones) of each. If you would like more detail on any of this, ask.

That gets the scales (melody notes) and chords (harmony) now putting them together is the next step. This brings us to chord progressions and why have the I-IV-V-I progression been used in a zillion songs. What makes it so special? If you would like more detail on chord progressions, ask.

Now the big WOW. For chords and scales to sound good together the melody notes and the notes of the chord have to share some of the same notes. When the melody line and the chord progression have some of the same notes active at the same time in a song we get harmonization, and if we get harmonization things sound good. If you would like more detail on any of this, ask. Ask who? Here or Google. When you need more theory I have found that Google can normally answer a specific question. Gotta get specific if you want an answer. https://www.google.com/search?sourc...ody&gs_upl=0l0l0l94278lllllllllll0&aqi=g2g-v3

When you understand how to get the specific notes in any scale so you can come up with the specific chords for that scale and know how to use those two things to make music, then you are ready for the rest of the story.

Take it one step at a time, I recommend you start with what are the notes for those 12 major scales.

Now if you are beyond this - already understand all that then you have already built the foundation necessary to understand the following:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f22/music-theory-general-instruction-links-56761/
Online Bass Lessons at StudyBass.com
Ricci Adams' Musictheory.net
[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
Exercises in melody-writing: a systematic course of melodic composition ... - Percy Goetschius - Google Books
Peace Piece (Bill Evans) - solo jazz piano - YouTube
Hal Galper's Master Class - Technique, Part 2 - YouTube And that brings us back to chord tones and let the melody be your quide.......

Google can get you started on the rest of what you need. I found Google a big help.


Good luck.

I believe the notes in the B major scale are B C# D# E F# G# Ab B? I know how to construct the major scale I think. I know the major pattern I don't know if there's more to it than I think. I don't know how many sharps and flats are in each scale. I should probably start there? Key signatures?

I don't really get the memory pegs you said. I'm trying to wrap my head around the chord tones. Chord progressions I'm also iffy about. And the harmonization I'll start to tackle once I understand the basics of what you're telling me.

So I'll start with the major scales then. I think I get that but I'll start there and go forward. Thanks for your post. :)
 
Allmanfan456 said:
I believe the notes in the B major scale are B C# D# E F# G# Ab B? I know how to construct the major scale I think. I know the major pattern I don't know if there's more to it than I think. I don't know how many sharps and flats are in each scale. I should probably start there? Key signatures?

I'm guessing this is just a typo, but the B major scale has an A#, not an Ab.
 
I believe the notes in the B major scale are B C# D# E F# G# Ab B? I know how to construct the major scale I think. I know the major pattern I don't know if there's more to it than I think. I don't know how many sharps and flats are in each scale. I should probably start there? Key signatures?

I don't really get the memory pegs you said. I'm trying to wrap my head around the chord tones. Chord progressions I'm also iffy about. And the harmonization I'll start to tackle once I understand the basics of what you're telling me.

So I'll start with the major scales then. I think I get that but I'll start there and go forward. Thanks for your post. :)
B scale has the A# not an Ab.
We can get buy with the major scale patterns in fact I recommend you do go that route, but, we do need to know what specific notes are in each scale - right of passage thing, with out this you keep running into stone walls.

Key signature is listed on the sheet music as number of sharps (#) or flats (b). C has none, G has one, D has two, A has three, etc. Those memory pegs I gave you - see if you can figure it out from this chart.

First: As everything we do starts with the Major scale let's start there. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] Notice at the end of each lesson - bottom of the page - is a button to proceed to the next lesson.
Or do a Google using this key word -- WWHWWWH -- that will send you to several papers on the Major scale and how it is formed. The following chart helped me see the entire Major and Natural Minor scale, i.e the big picture on one sheet of paper:

Major Scale Chart
C D E F G A B...............Notice the C scale has no Sharps
G A B C D E F#.............and the G scale has one, the F#
D E F# G A B C#...........and the D scale keeps the F# and
A B C# D E F# G#.........adds the C#. Then the A scale keeps
E F# G# A B C# D#.......everything and adds the G#. See how
B C# D# E F# G# A#.....it builds on it's self.
F# G# A# B C# D# E#
C# D# E# F# G# A# B#
F G A Bb C D E.............Look what happens with the flat scales
Bb C D Eb F G A...........F has one the Bb, then the Bb scale keeps
Eb F G Ab Bb C D.........it's self and adds the the Eb. Same thing
Ab Bb C Db Eb F G.......the sharp scales did...
Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C
Gb Ab Bb Cb Db Eb F
Cb Db Eb Fb Gb Ab Bb

Memory pegs:
See God Destroy All Earth By F#irey C#haos. Order of the scales with sharps.
Fat cats go down alleys eating birds. Order of the sharps.
Farmer brown eats apple dumplings greasily cooked. Order of the scales with flats.
The key signature is showing three sharps. What scale has three sharps? C has none, G has one, D has two, A has three. Which sharps? Fat Cats Go so the A major scale has three sharps, F#, C# and G#.

Natural Minor Scale Chart
A B C D E F G ................Notice how the 6th column of the
E F# G A B C D................Major scale becomes the 1st column
B C# D E F# G A..............in the minor scale and how the 7th
F# G# A B C# D E............column of the Major scale is now the
C# D# E F# G# A B..........2nd column in the minor scale. And
G# A# B C# D# E F#........yep, the 1st column in the Major scale
D# E# F# G# A# B C#......is now the 3rd column, etc. etc.
A# B# C# D# E# F# G#....Ask your self why? Hint, think relative minor.
D E F G A Bb C
G A Bb C D Eb F
C D Eb F G Ab Bb
F G Ab Bb C Db Eb
Bb C Db Eb F Gb Ab
Eb F Gb Ab Bb Cb Db
Ab Bb Cb Db Eb Fb Gb

As scale charts are hard to find I recommend you print this off and keep it handy.

Second: After you understand how the specific notes got into each scale I'd suggest some time with how the specific chords get into each key. When we use the word key we are speaking of a range of sound. That range of sound contains one specific scale and the chords made from that scale. To find which chords are in a key you could apply the key structure formula to the specific scale you have in mind. Let's take the E scale and figure what chords are in the key of E.

Scale interval....... .... 1, .2,..... 3, ...4, ....5,.. 6,...7,.........8 new octave
E Scale......................E, F#,... G#,. A, ....B, .C#, .D#,...... E
Major key Formula ......I, ii,...... iii,.. IV,... V, .vi, ..viidim,... I
Chords in the key of E..E .F#m, G#m, A,.... B, C#m, D#dim,. E

Notice the formula I, ii, iii, IV, V, vi, viidim -- the upper case numbers become Major chords and the lower case numbers become minor chords. You have three major chords, three minor chords and one diminished chord in every Major key.

Formula for the natural minor key is:
i, iidim, III, iv, v, VI, VII. Notice the three major, three minor and one diminished chord -- same number of major, minor or diminished chords as the Major Key had.

For a chart of the chords found in the major keys go here [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]. Using the key formula for the natural minor key (i, iidim, III, iv, v, VI, VII) make your own chart for the natural minor chords.

Third: It's now time to learn how to use our scale chart and make those chords, i.e. how to make those powerchords your asking about. Chord Formulas.
Or write out the scale and take every other note, for example E scale = E, F#, G#, A, B, C#, D# -- what notes are in the E chord? E - skip a note G# - then skip a note to get B. So E-G#-B are the notes found in the E major chord. Notes for the F# chord do the same thing I bet you get F#, A, C# which is the F#m chord spelling. Skip a note gave you the major AND the minor chord spelling. Learn both methods, because knowing the interval (1-3-5) is sometime more important than knowing the actual notes involved.


Forth: Time to learn what to do with those chords, i.e. how to put them into a chord progression. Go here Ricci Adams' Musictheory.net then Lessons and Common Chord Progressions. Pay attention to what chords like to move to which other chords, i.e. why does the ii and IV like to move to the V or viidim chord. Build an understanding of how lyrics and chord progressions work together to form verses.

Fifth: Scale patterns next. As a beginner (to music theory) scale patterns right at first will get you playing your scales. If you use the pattern the pattern will place the notes of the scale under your fingertips automatically, if you stay within the scale. Go here Cyberfret.com - basic guitar scales - print for the patterns to the Major and minor scale -- the Major and minor pentatonic scale and the Blues scale. This will help you play melodies, tunes, songs, etc within the same scale/key that the vocalist and rhythm section is using . If you use a 4 string bass ignore the top two strings or here are the 4 string bass patterns. CyberfretBass.com - Basic scales for electric bass Scales are a right of passage thing, running our scales will get our fingers knowing where to go on our fretboard and also let our ear recognize the good notes from the bad notes. No matter what instrument we play scales must be a part of our practice routine.

Sixth: Melody - saved this for last. Melody notes are comfortable over chords that have some of the same notes. In other words, when the melody moves on to new notes - not found in the old chord -- your ear will tell you something is not right. When that happens it's time to change chords -- find a chord that does contain some of the melody notes now being used. Yep. That's it. This chart will help.

Quote:
If you are trying to harmonize the ........
1 degree of the scale try I, IV, vi or ii7 chords of that key, as they will have the 1st degree note in their makeup.
2 degree of the scale try V, ii7, iii7 chords of that key.
3 degree of the scale try I, vi, iii chords of that key.
4 degree of the scale try IV, ii, v7 chords of that key.
5 degree of the scale try V, I, iii chords of that key.
6 degree of the scale try IV, ii, vi chords of that key.
7 degree of the scale try V7, iii, Imaj7 chords of that key.

That's why people tell you to play chord tones. That's why pentatonic scales played over the chord changes work so well. Keep this in mind as you travel on down your music road. Here is a great paper on how to write melodies: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
This site talks about wave action. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

In the following video watch his right hand. Copy down the hints that appear on the screen. His left hand is a great example of one bass line riff being used over the entire song.
Peace Piece (Bill Evans) - solo jazz piano - YouTube


Here is a site that will answer questions for you. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] It and Ricci Adams' Musictheory.net should answer most of the question that might come up. And of course ask them here, someone will always be ready to help.

The above will keep you busy for several months --- keep doing what you are now in your practice session, but, schedule some extra time each day to go over the above. When you understand the basics there are some great articles waiting for you on this site. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
IMHO music theory should be learned in a specific order - like I've given you - some of it will not be clear today, but next week you will read something unrelated and everything will clear up. Just keep plugging along.

Good luck. [/quote]

That should keep you going for a day or so. ;)
 
Everyone learns things differently. I really like to find aids that summarize a bunch of things in a neat package. To do that for much of what is discussed above run - do not walk - to the Circle of Fifths:

The Circle Of Fifths Diagram

(Actually, the music theory on that website is really helpful in general)

There's a single-page PDF file of the circle of 4ths and 5ths at the link above. After reading the fairly brief write-up about it, print the page and keep it with you all the time. Look at it until it's part of your photographic memory. It will tell you what notes are in each scale, how many sharps, how many flats, what sharps, what flats, I, IV, V chords, just tons of stuff in a one page convenient package that you'll have memorized sooner than you might think.

Hedgehog
 
B scale has the A# not an Ab.
We can get buy with the major scale patterns in fact I recommend you do go that route, but, we do need to know what specific notes are in each scale - right of passage thing, with out this you keep running into stone walls.

Key signature is listed on the sheet music as number of sharps (#) or flats (b). C has none, G has one, D has two, A has three, etc. Those memory pegs I gave you - see if you can figure it out from this chart.

First: As everything we do starts with the Major scale let's start there. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] Notice at the end of each lesson - bottom of the page - is a button to proceed to the next lesson.
Or do a Google using this key word -- WWHWWWH -- that will send you to several papers on the Major scale and how it is formed. The following chart helped me see the entire Major and Natural Minor scale, i.e the big picture on one sheet of paper:

Major Scale Chart
C D E F G A B...............Notice the C scale has no Sharps
G A B C D E F#.............and the G scale has one, the F#
D E F# G A B C#...........and the D scale keeps the F# and
A B C# D E F# G#.........adds the C#. Then the A scale keeps
E F# G# A B C# D#.......everything and adds the G#. See how
B C# D# E F# G# A#.....it builds on it's self.
F# G# A# B C# D# E#
C# D# E# F# G# A# B#
F G A Bb C D E.............Look what happens with the flat scales
Bb C D Eb F G A...........F has one the Bb, then the Bb scale keeps
Eb F G Ab Bb C D.........it's self and adds the the Eb. Same thing
Ab Bb C Db Eb F G.......the sharp scales did...
Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C
Gb Ab Bb Cb Db Eb F
Cb Db Eb Fb Gb Ab Bb

Memory pegs:
See God Destroy All Earth By F#irey C#haos. Order of the scales with sharps.
Fat cats go down alleys eating birds. Order of the sharps.
Farmer brown eats apple dumplings greasily cooked. Order of the scales with flats.
The key signature is showing three sharps. What scale has three sharps? C has none, G has one, D has two, A has three. Which sharps? Fat Cats Go so the A major scale has three sharps, F#, C# and G#.

Natural Minor Scale Chart
A B C D E F G ................Notice how the 6th column of the
E F# G A B C D................Major scale becomes the 1st column
B C# D E F# G A..............in the minor scale and how the 7th
F# G# A B C# D E............column of the Major scale is now the
C# D# E F# G# A B..........2nd column in the minor scale. And
G# A# B C# D# E F#........yep, the 1st column in the Major scale
D# E# F# G# A# B C#......is now the 3rd column, etc. etc.
A# B# C# D# E# F# G#....Ask your self why? Hint, think relative minor.
D E F G A Bb C
G A Bb C D Eb F
C D Eb F G Ab Bb
F G Ab Bb C Db Eb
Bb C Db Eb F Gb Ab
Eb F Gb Ab Bb Cb Db
Ab Bb Cb Db Eb Fb Gb

As scale charts are hard to find I recommend you print this off and keep it handy.

Second: After you understand how the specific notes got into each scale I'd suggest some time with how the specific chords get into each key. When we use the word key we are speaking of a range of sound. That range of sound contains one specific scale and the chords made from that scale. To find which chords are in a key you could apply the key structure formula to the specific scale you have in mind. Let's take the E scale and figure what chords are in the key of E.

Scale interval....... .... 1, .2,..... 3, ...4, ....5,.. 6,...7,.........8 new octave
E Scale......................E, F#,... G#,. A, ....B, .C#, .D#,...... E
Major key Formula ......I, ii,...... iii,.. IV,... V, .vi, ..viidim,... I
Chords in the key of E..E .F#m, G#m, A,.... B, C#m, D#dim,. E

Notice the formula I, ii, iii, IV, V, vi, viidim -- the upper case numbers become Major chords and the lower case numbers become minor chords. You have three major chords, three minor chords and one diminished chord in every Major key.

Formula for the natural minor key is:
i, iidim, III, iv, v, VI, VII. Notice the three major, three minor and one diminished chord -- same number of major, minor or diminished chords as the Major Key had.

For a chart of the chords found in the major keys go here [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]. Using the key formula for the natural minor key (i, iidim, III, iv, v, VI, VII) make your own chart for the natural minor chords.

Third: It's now time to learn how to use our scale chart and make those chords, i.e. how to make those powerchords your asking about. Chord Formulas.
Or write out the scale and take every other note, for example E scale = E, F#, G#, A, B, C#, D# -- what notes are in the E chord? E - skip a note G# - then skip a note to get B. So E-G#-B are the notes found in the E major chord. Notes for the F# chord do the same thing I bet you get F#, A, C# which is the F#m chord spelling. Skip a note gave you the major AND the minor chord spelling. Learn both methods, because knowing the interval (1-3-5) is sometime more important than knowing the actual notes involved.


Forth: Time to learn what to do with those chords, i.e. how to put them into a chord progression. Go here Ricci Adams' Musictheory.net then Lessons and Common Chord Progressions. Pay attention to what chords like to move to which other chords, i.e. why does the ii and IV like to move to the V or viidim chord. Build an understanding of how lyrics and chord progressions work together to form verses.

Fifth: Scale patterns next. As a beginner (to music theory) scale patterns right at first will get you playing your scales. If you use the pattern the pattern will place the notes of the scale under your fingertips automatically, if you stay within the scale. Go here Cyberfret.com - basic guitar scales - print for the patterns to the Major and minor scale -- the Major and minor pentatonic scale and the Blues scale. This will help you play melodies, tunes, songs, etc within the same scale/key that the vocalist and rhythm section is using . If you use a 4 string bass ignore the top two strings or here are the 4 string bass patterns. CyberfretBass.com - Basic scales for electric bass Scales are a right of passage thing, running our scales will get our fingers knowing where to go on our fretboard and also let our ear recognize the good notes from the bad notes. No matter what instrument we play scales must be a part of our practice routine.

Sixth: Melody - saved this for last. Melody notes are comfortable over chords that have some of the same notes. In other words, when the melody moves on to new notes - not found in the old chord -- your ear will tell you something is not right. When that happens it's time to change chords -- find a chord that does contain some of the melody notes now being used. Yep. That's it. This chart will help.

Quote:
If you are trying to harmonize the ........
1 degree of the scale try I, IV, vi or ii7 chords of that key, as they will have the 1st degree note in their makeup.
2 degree of the scale try V, ii7, iii7 chords of that key.
3 degree of the scale try I, vi, iii chords of that key.
4 degree of the scale try IV, ii, v7 chords of that key.
5 degree of the scale try V, I, iii chords of that key.
6 degree of the scale try IV, ii, vi chords of that key.
7 degree of the scale try V7, iii, Imaj7 chords of that key.

That's why people tell you to play chord tones. That's why pentatonic scales played over the chord changes work so well. Keep this in mind as you travel on down your music road. Here is a great paper on how to write melodies: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
This site talks about wave action. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

In the following video watch his right hand. Copy down the hints that appear on the screen. His left hand is a great example of one bass line riff being used over the entire song.
Peace Piece (Bill Evans) - solo jazz piano - YouTube


Here is a site that will answer questions for you. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] It and Ricci Adams' Musictheory.net should answer most of the question that might come up. And of course ask them here, someone will always be ready to help.

The above will keep you busy for several months --- keep doing what you are now in your practice session, but, schedule some extra time each day to go over the above. When you understand the basics there are some great articles waiting for you on this site. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
IMHO music theory should be learned in a specific order - like I've given you - some of it will not be clear today, but next week you will read something unrelated and everything will clear up. Just keep plugging along.

Good luck.

That should keep you going for a day or so. ;)[/QUOTE]

Wow thank you! I'll start working on this. :) I thank you very very much for you post! :)
 
can't get very far into theory without intervals!

I'll also work that into what I'm learning thanks! :)

Everyone learns things differently. I really like to find aids that summarize a bunch of things in a neat package. To do that for much of what is discussed above run - do not walk - to the Circle of Fifths:

The Circle Of Fifths Diagram

(Actually, the music theory on that website is really helpful in general)

There's a single-page PDF file of the circle of 4ths and 5ths at the link above. After reading the fairly brief write-up about it, print the page and keep it with you all the time. Look at it until it's part of your photographic memory. It will tell you what notes are in each scale, how many sharps, how many flats, what sharps, what flats, I, IV, V chords, just tons of stuff in a one page convenient package that you'll have memorized sooner than you might think.

Hedgehog

Thank you! :) I'll do that too.
 
Oh yeah you're right. It wasn't a typo I just trying to do it from memory. Didn't work so well. :P I know what I said wrong.

So that'll make it B C# D# E F# Ab Bb B?

EDIT: Derp mixed up what you said. I thought you said the other way around.

B C# D# E F# G# A# B

Start with this. W W H W W W H. Learn this cold.
Second, learn these two rules:
A.) You don't mix sharps and flats in the same key
B.) You use each letter once and only once (until it repeats)

So, let's start with B.
Go up a whole step, that's C#. Why not Db? Because we use each letter once and only once. Haven't used C yet so the note's gotta be C#.
Another whole step from C# to D#
Half step from D# to E natural.
Whole step to F#
Whole step to G#
Whole step to A#
Half step to B, the starting point where it repeats.

Try it for yourself in Ab now.

John
 
Taken from this thread... http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f22/well-time-learn-theory-610434/


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THEORY PROGRESSION
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Theory can seem like a quagmire to those who are starting out, and it's often difficult to know just how important a particular aspect of it is. I will say that learning how chords are built from scales is the most important aspect of theory. It is far more useful to understand chord construction than to memorize all those "Scales A and B go with chord X" formulas.

I'd say the logical progression learning music theory is this:

1.) Learn the major scale, and how it's constructed
2.) Learn how basic chords are built from the major scale- e.g Major is 1,3,5, minor is 1,b3, 5, etc.
3.) Learn how to harmonize the notes of any diatonic major scale by building chords / stacking thirds.
4.) Learn arppegios/chord tones
5.) Learn to look at common chord progressions as "numerals" (eg, I-IV-V ect) to understand how the chords relate to the song's key.
6.) Learn the Natural Minor scale (a/k/a Aeolian mode) and the dominant scale (a/k/a Mixolydian); And learn how these relate to the major scale (i.e.; its the V and vi mode)
7.) Understand how other 4 modes of the major scale are derived (less important to memorize these other modes at first)
8.) Dive back into modes for more detailed ideas about what "goes" with what chord.

Bass playing is basically a matter of knowing what to play over various chords. It may seem daunting at first, but my practical experience (bass in pop/rock) has been that I mostly use Major, Minor, and Dominant 7 related bassline patterns, usually based on chord tones and pentatonics. Even if you're playing some guitar oriented riff-rock, each riff is going to imply a chord of some kind.

"BUT HOW DO I APPLY THIS THEORY TO MY PLAYING?"
85%+ of the time, you will be going from root note to root note as the chords change. The trick is learning how to do it with a groove and feel that is stylistically appropriate to the song. The best way to reach stylistic understanding is to learn songs you like and pick them apart to see how the bassline relates to the chords. I cannot emphasize this idea enough: The answer to this common question is to LEARN AND ANALYZE BASS LINES BY THE MASTERS. Once you undertand what Jamerson (for example) did with a particular set of changes, these ideas become added to your tool set, to use, change, blend and create your own voice.

I highly recommend Edley's Music Theory for Practical People as well.
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John
 
Start with this. W W H W W W H. Learn this cold.
Second, learn these two rules:
A.) You don't mix sharps and flats in the same key
B.) You use each letter once and only once (until it repeats)

So, let's start with B.
Go up a whole step, that's C#. Why not Db? Because we use each letter once and only once. Haven't used C yet so the note's gotta be C#.
Another whole step from C# to D#
Half step from D# to E natural.
Whole step to F#
Whole step to G#
Whole step to A#
Half step to B, the starting point where it repeats.

Try it for yourself in Ab now.

John

Alright. Ab, Bb, C, Db, Eb F, G, Ab

Would that be correct?
 
Taken from this thread... http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f22/well-time-learn-theory-610434/


---------------------------------------
THEORY PROGRESSION
---------------------------------------
Theory can seem like a quagmire to those who are starting out, and it's often difficult to know just how important a particular aspect of it is. I will say that learning how chords are built from scales is the most important aspect of theory. It is far more useful to understand chord construction than to memorize all those "Scales A and B go with chord X" formulas.

I'd say the logical progression learning music theory is this:

1.) Learn the major scale, and how it's constructed
2.) Learn how basic chords are built from the major scale- e.g Major is 1,3,5, minor is 1,b3, 5, etc.
3.) Learn how to harmonize the notes of any diatonic major scale by building chords / stacking thirds.
4.) Learn arppegios/chord tones
5.) Learn to look at common chord progressions as "numerals" (eg, I-IV-V ect) to understand how the chords relate to the song's key.
6.) Learn the Natural Minor scale (a/k/a Aeolian mode) and the dominant scale (a/k/a Mixolydian); And learn how these relate to the major scale (i.e.; its the V and vi mode)
7.) Understand how other 4 modes of the major scale are derived (less important to memorize these other modes at first)
8.) Dive back into modes for more detailed ideas about what "goes" with what chord.

Bass playing is basically a matter of knowing what to play over various chords. It may seem daunting at first, but my practical experience (bass in pop/rock) has been that I mostly use Major, Minor, and Dominant 7 related bassline patterns, usually based on chord tones and pentatonics. Even if you're playing some guitar oriented riff-rock, each riff is going to imply a chord of some kind.

"BUT HOW DO I APPLY THIS THEORY TO MY PLAYING?"
85%+ of the time, you will be going from root note to root note as the chords change. The trick is learning how to do it with a groove and feel that is stylistically appropriate to the song. The best way to reach stylistic understanding is to learn songs you like and pick them apart to see how the bassline relates to the chords. I cannot emphasize this idea enough: The answer to this common question is to LEARN AND ANALYZE BASS LINES BY THE MASTERS. Once you undertand what Jamerson (for example) did with a particular set of changes, these ideas become added to your tool set, to use, change, blend and create your own voice.

I highly recommend Edley's Music Theory for Practical People as well.
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John

Thanks for that post. :) Very helpful.
 
Understand intervals, then the major scale, then the chords formed diatonically from the major scale by stacking thirds, then how those chords interact in a progression. That's it in a nutshell. Get to a keyboard and do all that in the key of C first since it's just the white keys.

Know that a major scale is a 7-note scale that has its half-steps between 3 and 4, and again between 7 and the octave (or 1 again, that is). All the modes are just other 7-note scales that have those two half-steps in different places. (e. g. the Dorian mode has them between 2 and 3, and again between 6 and 7).
 

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