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Which Set of Flats?

Jan 27, 2013
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I bet you guys have never herd this question before! :)

Anyways I'm really into players like Jack Bruce, Jack Lawrence, JPJ, John Deacon and Duck Dunn.

I know they all use flats, but what gauge is best? LaBellas seem to have a good following so I think I'll be going with them, but should I grab light, medium or what? Whats the standard?

Ive got some d'addarios heavy gauges on now but they don't seem beefy enough? What do you guys think?

P.S. I know about the JPJ flats contraversy but I gotta believe those are flats on the early stuff :P
 
I have experience with tow brands, Labella and rotosound. My favorite so far is labella. They last longer, less string stiffness and better sound. I heard good stuff about ghs and chromes.

Bought a set of Fender 9050L. They're pretty good and reasonable priced. My P sounds great with them
 
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I'll go 180 degrees opposite: Thomastik Infeld Jazz flats...with their very skinny gauges, they can seem just crazy at first. If you give yourself a week or two of dedicated commitment to getting used to them, they (IME) simply blow all other flats (and almost all rounds) out of the water for tone, punch, playability and string life. At one point I had six basses loaded with them...several fretless and a couple of fretted, including a five- string Warwick FNA Jazzman fretted-the least likely candidate for such strings. I've since moved to TI Jazz Rounds, because they do have a faster attack, but the TI flats have an attack notably faster than any other flat I've played. They're simply in a class all their own. If you have pretty dry hands, the 75.00 price tag is not an issue; I have a three year old set that sounds very similar to a 3 month old set. Don't let the skinny gauges fool you. They're LOUD.
 
I'll go 180 degrees opposite: Thomastik Infeld Jazz flats...with their very skinny gauges, they can seem just crazy at first. If you give yourself a week or two of dedicated commitment to getting used to them, they (IME) simply blow all other flats (and almost all rounds) out of the water for tone, punch, playability and string life. At one point I had six basses loaded with them...several fretless and a couple of fretted, including a five- string Warwick FNA Jazzman fretted-the least likely candidate for such strings. I've since moved to TI Jazz Rounds, because they do have a faster attack, but the TI flats have an attack notably faster than any other flat I've played. They're simply in a class all their own. If you have pretty dry hands, the 75.00 price tag is not an issue; I have a three year old set that sounds very similar to a 3 month old set. Don't let the skinny gauges fool you. They're LOUD.
PS: If you get a set, really do NOT stretch them in the aggressive way so many of us have learned: just string them up, and stretch them out by tuning up maybe a whole tone. Then tune back to concert pitch; All strings are really susceptible to core damage from what has become widely accepted as proper stretching technique...and skinny core strings are far more vulnerable; it hurts a string's tone and sustain, sometimes only subtly, but it's needless, since you can stretch quite well in the way they're supposed to stretch; totally evenly, along their axis.
 
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Second on the GHS Precision Flats, they are quite affordable and have a much harder thump without being woofy. Might want to lower your pickups a tad in order to get all you can out of them tonally. Got them on a P-bass and kicking around whether to get a jazz and put those in there too. Chromes aren't bad, but I like the lack of clack on the Precision Flats.
 
One nice thing about GHS Precision Flats is you can put together a custom set from bassstringsonline.com according to your personal preference for gauges/tension, thanks to Jason (aka SLaPiNFuNK).

And thanks to Jon Moody, you can use this tension chart for your reference:

GHS Precision Flats Tension Guide
RE: custom gauges: YES! This is an important thing; you're never gonna' see singles of great strings in a store...not in every gauge; they'd cost a fortune to maintain. But I use juststrings.com. And you mentioned another outlet: Now we can easily build our own custom sets. This has proven cool for me, taking super light DR rounds (steel) Highbeams, and I dig them like my old TI rounds, so next I'm going to load DI Sunbeams in super lights on another bass and see if the 75.00 price tag of TI rounds is worth it. I'll bet they will still be discernable from anyone else's strings, but even at single string costs online, DR Sunbeams are 1/2 the cost . I guess my main point here is, very light strings that are built with precision engineering are amazingly responsive and loud. And with singles, they're attainable from many manufacturers.
 
Thanks guys! Alot of valuable stuff here. I typically don't venture too far into the string section of TB. What gauge do you guys recommend? Lighter or heavier gauge for that classic tone?

Just a note too, these are going on a p bass. My jazz seems to handle any strings pretty well so I dont feel a real need to change there, but the P could use some more character, more low mids less clanky highs
 
Regular gauge if you're going for the GHS precisions - 45 to 105s. Then again, it all depends on your preferences, your playing style and the instrument you'd be loading these onto. Some opt to have slightly bigger G and D strings. I've found the ones in the regular set is fine after breaking them in. With the mix and match, it's not too much of an investment to experiment.
 
Fellow string nerd here on the quest for a perfect match for my two P basses. I've tried Chromes, GHS, Fender, Pyramid, Rotosound, several LaBellas, Sadowsky and TI flats, all during the last 4 years, after playing rounds for 20 years.

My favorites so far are TI jazz flats. I've had them on 7 different basses in total, fours/fivers, Ps and Js. Incredible sound, warm, mid-focused but with nice balance, and dynamic.

I also want to recommend Sadowsky Black Label flats, they come in normal or light gauge. I have tested both (even written reviews on both sets here on TB), and I currently have the normal set on my main P. They are higher tension than the TIs, but not as high as Rotosound or LaBella. They are also very nice-sounding, well-balanced and dynamic, and feel great to play. Usable for almost any type of music, IMO.
 
Thanks guys! Alot of valuable stuff here. I typically don't venture too far into the string section of TB. What gauge do you guys recommend? Lighter or heavier gauge for that classic tone?

Just a note too, these are going on a p bass. My jazz seems to handle any strings pretty well so I dont feel a real need to change there, but the P could use some more character, more low mids less clanky highs
RE gauge:
Obviously a personal preference, which can ONLY be gained by trying new things out: Like most bass players on the planet, I played 105-45 for many rears. I played Rotosound swing bass, but somehow became less enamoured at some point & drifted through many brands until I found DR. The HIGHBEAMS rocked: most of the vibrance of Rotosounds, but with that skinny round core...slinky! Full of power and ease of playing. I discovered a ROUND CORE was a big key to looser tension (provided the core isn't HUGE, as with some vintage roundwounds...then, the tension is indeed high, because the core contributes to tension far more than wrap. Anyway, after years of happy use with highbeams (not low-riders), which have a tighter hex core, like most strings, I stumbled on Thomastik Infeld flats. Blew me away. Then I got a set and said" NO WAY...even for me, the king of light strings/ low action, it seemed ludicrous. BUT: I restrung them like four times and stuck with it for about two weeks. By that time, 105-45 seemed like big old useless cables, and the thomastik gauges were PERFECT; really just a matter of adjustment.

Whether you go for the exquisite TI flats (or rounds) in their tiny gauges, or build a singles set from, say DR, just give new gauges a chance. Light gauges obviously require a more precise attack- but not necessarily what people call a "light " attack...you just pluck the strings on the outer edge of their axis, not hitting them broadside as much...then you learn to deliver them with broadside thwacks, and they respond well...you learn your touch with them.
It's still preference, but I'd urge ANYONE to take a walk on the wild side and give really light gauges a few week's chance. If one becomes addicted to them, as I am, then keeping LOUD pickups on some basses (percieved loudness through excellent voicing-not necessarily high DC resistance), will allay all fears of a weak signal...Fralins kick ass, so do Delanos. The Music Man design with it's mega-wide aperture, KILLS, and is still totally Musical. A double Jazz (try DELANO!) will knock down a wall in series...not that one NEEDS any special PuPs with great light strings, I just go that way on all my basses...excellently voiced PuPs to make sure with my light strings and really low action, that they BOOM when I want. Fret buzz and fingerboard noise often dissapear with these PuPs, because of their exquisite voicing. Assuming you have great fret work.
Oh, the Di Marzio Model J is a BRUTE... massive low end and low mids, and quite musical as well...at only 120.00, it may be the best pickup series ever. 1/2 the cost of boutique models. I didn't mean to complicate the issue by asserting you NEED any special PuP with light bass strings...these PuPs are just stellar, though, under all circumstances. Bass strings- even light ones, are still heavy enough to kick, as opposed to super light guitar strings , which can be quite difficult to get volume out of on many guitars/ PuPs, because their mass is just so low.
 
For THAT classic P sound, the LaBella 760FSs are the only way to go. That is all my P will ever wear. Great, even tone, not too stiff, will last forever.

The T.I.s are magnificent on my Jazz bass and a Fury, but the sound is more modern and cleaner than the 760s. The touch takes a little getting used to.

At the frequent recommendations here, I have tried Chromes 2-3 times, and always unhappy with them. They try to be a bright flat, kind of an oxymoron, and to my ear, they have a upper-mid "honk" to them that I don't like. They are not as silky smooth as the LBs and TIs, also.
 
I know about the JPJ flats contraversy but I gotta believe those are flats on the early stuff :p

And for what it is worth, you would be correct. He said as much in a 1977 interview, so I really couldn't care less what he said much, much later about using rounds. A lot of time had passed, and he was much older by then.

And for what it's worth, the flats he said he used were the Rotosound RS 77 LDs. And, if you put 'em on a Jazz and play along to some old Zep - you will see what a perfect match they make with the tone on those records, particularly LZ II, or any live stuff up to and including 1975, with the exception of 70/71/72, when he would often break out his SCPB with Rotosound RS66s (rounds).

I used the Roto flats for quite a while on my Jazz, and I LOVE the tone - but the magic in them for me dies fairly quickly (about 6 months), and I found that they would get lost on stage. After hearing all the hype, I tried TI Jazz Flats and........

......they are simply amazing. Couldn't feel more different than the Rotos, but the tone is so musical, and they just seem to last forever. They have been on my Jazz since 2010, and I have never been inclined to change them. They give me plenty of "old school" flat tone that I can cop the JPJ vibe, but they never, ever, get lost on stage.

FWIW - I have Labellas on a 78 P fretless, and Roto 77s on my 85 Rick 4003. Really like both of those set ups too - although I will eventually spring for TIs on the fretless because they are so expressive I think they will really shine on that bass. I'll keep the 77s on the Rick as the stiffness or higher tension lends itself to the way I play it......beating the piss out of it w/ a pick frankly, whereas I play the Jazz and the P Fretless mostly finger style and with more finesse.
 
I've only been playing since May but I've already tried 5 sets of strings, including Rotos and La Bellas. My favorite are the TI Jazz Flats. The low tension is easy on my fingers, they have a nice feel and a great sound. Expensive though. :(
 

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