Which Should I Go For, Traynor DB300H or DB400H?

[MIJ-VI]

No rack ears for the DB 300H:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9699753&postcount=1081

You may wish to e-mail Traynor's headquarters in Canada for suggestions.

 

[Ronny49]

I've posted a DB 300H rack ears enquiry:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9699612&postcount=1080

+1 on bass as a seismic event.

I guess you'll soon find out if your Avatar 410 and 212 cabs (they're both 8 Ω, correct?) + a DB 300H will shake it to your satisfaction.

Well, Thanks for your help! But I just spoke to Yorkville and they do not make rack ears for the 300H. I also just found out that the head is 2 1/4 rack spaces! Crazy! They said the head was not designed to fit into a rack and hey... they don't even make a gig bag for it. Though they said it's on the plate of to-do's.

I actually think I am going to back out of the deal.

After speaking to Yorkville this morning... I asked about the 400H in comparison to the 800H and the guy was quiet when it came to the 400. But when I asked about the 800, he LIT UP and said that thing will move the pants on your legs!

BUT... and it is a BIG but...

the head weighs 37 pounds and after installing it into a light weight rack, it would then weigh in at around FIFTY POUNDS!! I am going to be 51 in a few days and let me tell you... that weight will get old fast!

 

[Ronny49]

I just backed out and got the seller to send me a cancellation agreement. So it's done. Now I don't know what to do. Hmmm...
I was also looking at the Fender TB1200, though it is a freaking boat anchor!! 34 pounds and a rack at 11 pounds comes to 45. But I have read many great reviews on this head and it does have the sub-bass option I love!

Anyone know anything about this head, good or bad?

 

[Rezdog]

Greetings from the North,

The 800 doesn't weigh as much as the 400. I have an older XS800H and it's about 8 to 10 lbs lighter than the XS400. The Traynor 800 should still be lighter than the 400.

Rezdog

 

[62bass]

I just backed out and got the seller to send me a cancellation agreement. So it's done. Now I don't know what to do. Hmmm...
I was also looking at the Fender TB1200, though it is a freaking boat anchor!! 34 pounds and a rack at 11 pounds comes to 45. But I have read many great reviews on this head and it does have the sub-bass option I love!

Anyone know anything about this head, good or bad?

Too bad. You missed out on getting a very nice amp. Who needs a rack full of toys anyhow? None of them ever makes you play better and if you need those effects to sound good, then, to me anyhow, something is wrong. Unless of course, you're in a tribute band and enjoying it and need those effects to match a sound to sound exactly like the record.

I'm just about to turn 70. None of that stuff for me any more. I had a rack and crossover and compressor for a while. Then I got rid of it and went back to simple. Much more fun to play now.

A good bass into a head into a speaker cabinet. What could be simpler?

 

[MIJ-VI]

I just backed out and got the seller to send me a cancellation agreement. So it's done. Now I don't know what to do. Hmmm...
I was also looking at the Fender TB1200, though it is a freaking boat anchor!! 34 pounds and a rack at 11 pounds comes to 45. But I have read many great reviews on this head and it does have the sub-bass option I love!

Anyone know anything about this head, good or bad?

Have you tried a [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]?

• 480 watts (4 ohms) plus 50 watt Horn bi-amp system
• Active 4-band EQ
• Adjustable contour, presence & 4/5 string voicing
• Boost (valve effect)
• Seperate tweeter & woofer volume controls
• Effects loop & tuner out with mute
• XLR out with level, ground lift & pre/post switch
• Speakon & 1/4" outputs
• 19x3.5x8 (2 rack spaces)
• 19.5 lbs.

BTW. Since you like tube tone, there's this amp which has the output section of the 700RB-II:

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• 500 watts (4 ohms) 350 watts (8 ohms)
• 50 watt horn bi-amp system
• Tube pre-amp (three 12AX7's)
• Motorized knobs (footswitchable) <-- caveat...
• Four-band active EQ
• Tuning mute (footswitchable)
• Effects loop & tuner out
• XLR out, pre/post EQ & ground lift switch
• Speakon and 1/4” outputs
• 19x5.25x9.75 (3 rack spaces)
• 25 lbs.

 

[Ronny49]

Greetings from the North,

The 800 doesn't weigh as much as the 400. I have an older XS800H and it's about 8 to 10 lbs lighter than the XS400. The Traynor 800 should still be lighter than the 400.

Rezdog

But I got the weight from a Traynor rep in NY. he said it was 34 pounds. The 400 is 27 pounds.

Have you tried a G-K 700RB-II?

&#8226; 480 watts (4 ohms) plus 50 watt Horn bi-amp system
&#8226; Active 4-band EQ
&#8226; Adjustable contour, presence & 4/5 string voicing
&#8226; Boost (valve effect)
&#8226; Seperate tweeter & woofer volume controls
&#8226; Effects loop & tuner out with mute
&#8226; XLR out with level, ground lift & pre/post switch
&#8226; Speakon & 1/4" outputs
&#8226; 19x3.5x8 (2 rack spaces)
&#8226; 19.5 lbs.

BTW. Since you like tube tone, there's this amp which has the output section of the 700RB-II:

Fusion 550
&#8226; 500 watts (4 ohms) 350 watts (8 ohms)
&#8226; 50 watt horn bi-amp system
&#8226; Tube pre-amp (three 12AX7's)
&#8226; Motorized knobs (footswitchable) <-- caveat...
&#8226; Four-band active EQ
&#8226; Tuning mute (footswitchable)
&#8226; Effects loop & tuner out
&#8226; XLR out, pre/post EQ & ground lift switch
&#8226; Speakon and 1/4&#8221; outputs
&#8226; 19x5.25x9.75 (3 rack spaces)
&#8226; 25 lbs.

I have tried GK several times at Sam Ash and actually bought one. It sounded ok to me... but never tickled my fancy.
Because of the weight thing... I bought a GK MB 500 when it first came out and it fried on me too, so I returned it!

 

[MIJ-VI]

But I got the weight from a Traynor rep in NY. he said it was 34 pounds. The 400 is 27 pounds.



I have tried GK several times at Sam Ash and actually bought one. It sounded ok to me... but never tickled my fancy.
Because of the weight thing... I bought a GK MB 500 when it first came out and it fried on me too, so I returned it!

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[okcrum]

probably a headroom thang....to double volume you need 10 x the power....easy for doubling a ten watter,but a tad different if you start with a 100 watt amp......for club that size is there no pa support....900 bucks will buy you the big traynor tube amp,in the box with a warranty.....

Shouldn't the unbelievable nature of the numbers here hint that perhaps this is an old wives' or psychoacoustic rule?

6 dB more voltage to the speaker = 6 dB more SPL = twice as loud

3 dB more power to the speaker = 3 dB more SIL = twice as loud

10 dB more ???? to the speaker = twice as loud?

all other things being equal.

 

[Ronny49]

@MIJ-VI You are FUNNY!!!




Well kids... and I can now call most of you kids, because I am turning 51 tomorrow, the 15th!

I ended up purchasing a FENDER TB-600 because of all the positive posts on here and got a good deal on it at Guitar Center! They are shipping it to me and I should have it by next Tuesday. I was thinking about this one too while looking into the Traynors.

I will say that after doing all the research on Traynor, I feel the best one of choice would be the DYNA BASS 800H.
It weighs in at under 32 pounds and has SMACK YOU IN THE FACE power! Now this came from the Canadian service tech at Yorkville. He did say the 800 was the best choice for me as I had stated I am into old school sound playing old school rock and roll.

The Traynor just didn't work out for me. Made the deal with GC and traded in a Music Man Stingray 5 for the Fender.

 

[MIJ-VI]

@MIJ-VI You are FUNNY!!!




Well kids... and I can now call most of you kids, because I am turning 51 tomorrow, the 15th!

I ended up purchasing a FENDER TB-600 because of all the positive posts on here and got a good deal on it at Guitar Center! They are shipping it to me and I should have it by next Tuesday. I was thinking about this one too while looking into the Traynors.

I will say that after doing all the research on Traynor, I feel the best one of choice would be the DYNA BASS 800H.
It weighs in at under 32 pounds and has SMACK YOU IN THE FACE power! Now this came from the Canadian service tech at Yorkville. He did say the 800 was the best choice for me as I had stated I am into old school sound playing old school rock and roll.

The Traynor just didn't work out for me. Made the deal with GC and traded in a Music Man Stingray 5 for the Fender.

Happy birthday junior!

Hmm... A 2 x 12AX7 pre...

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Electronics
Voltage: 120V
Wattage: 600 Watts
Effects Loop: Effects Loop With Send & Return
Inputs: 6dB Input Pad
Auxiliary Input: 1/4" Footswitch Jack

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Headphone Jack: Tuner Output Jack <-- Could you please let us know if this will drive both ear-pieces loud enough for home practice?

As well it would be interesting to know if the tube pre in this amp is quiet or hissy through headphones. A buttery Fender tube pre-amp for home practice/recording would be very nice!

Thank you.

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Line Out: XLR Output with Level, Ground Lift and Pre-Post EQ Switch
Extension Speaker Jack: Speakon® and 1/4" jacks
Channels: One Channel
Power Handling: 600 Watts RMS
Controls: Vintage Tube: Volume, Bass w/Deep Switch, Mid, Treble w/Bright Switch. Tube Overdrive: Gain, Volume, Blend. Vari-Q: Frequency, Level/Q. Room Balance, Master Volume
Hardware
Handle: Chrome Handle
Front Panel: Brushed Aluminum Control Panel
Input Impedance: 820k (Front Panel Input); 10k (Rear Panel Input)
Output Impedance: 4 Ohm
Sensitivity: 1V RMS (0dBV)
Amplifier Length: 15" (38.10 cm)
Amplifier Width: 19" (48.26 cm)
Amplifier Height: 3.5" (8.8 cm)
Amplifier Weight: 32 lbs (14.5 kg)
Tubes
Pre Amp Tubes: 2 x 12AX7
Miscellaneous
Unique Features: Fender® passive tone stack that delivers creamy tube tone, Tube Overdrive, Vari-Q™ section, and Room Balance controls, Mute Button
Accessories
FootSwitch: 4-Button Footswitch Available (sold separately)
Knobs: Black Aluminum Knobs

 

[Ronny49]

Thanks for the B-day Happy! Can't believe it... I was just 31 yesterday. What happened??

For me, I will never use the tuner out, other than for maybe headphones. I am happy with my tuner pedal, along with my other 5 pedals all on my PedalTrain board.

This amp will fit into my Gator 2 space rack bag... YIPPEE!!
it is 15" deep with the handles (13.5" body) and the gator bag is 16" deep (14" from rails to back), so we got a match!



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[Jim Campbell]

Shouldn't the unbelievable nature of the numbers here hint that perhaps this is an old wives' or psychoacoustic rule?

6 dB more voltage to the speaker = 6 dB more SPL = twice as loud

3 dB more power to the speaker = 3 dB more SIL = twice as loud

10 dB more ???? to the speaker = twice as loud?

all other things being equal.

i don't make 'em up.....they seem consistent with what i've read on here from the tech guys

 

[okcrum]

i don't make 'em up.....they seem consistent with what i've read on here from the tech guys

I know you don't, Jim, but I must say this 10x thing seems pretty recent and mostly confined to the 'net, particularly here. The only thing I've ever found was the psychoacoustic formula for dB to support it. But then, that's not SPL or watts or any of the other units one can measure. There's a good argument for moving air twice as far meaning something.

I dunno...I doubt I would design an amp with 10x the power and claim it was only twice as loud. Hmm, though I could sell lots of big amps using that concept. Maybe that's it!

EDIT: It could be the equal loudness ear response stuff getting mixed in here too. Apples and oranges, that.

 

[Jim Campbell]

I know you don't, Jim, but I must say this 10x thing seems pretty recent and mostly confined to the 'net, particularly here. The only thing I've ever found was the psychoacoustic formula for dB to support it. But then, that's not SPL or watts or any of the other units one can measure. There's a good argument for moving air twice as far meaning something.

I dunno...I doubt I would design an amp with 10x the power and claim it was only twice as loud. Hmm, though I could sell lots of big amps using that concept. Maybe that's it!

EDIT: It could be the equal loudness ear response stuff getting mixed in here too. Apples and oranges, that.

i've seen demo's of hi wattage rated power amps get smoked by lo watt integrated amps in the home audio world,yet watts are generally accepted by consumers as the yardstick.....perhaps a lot of amp design is marketed to people who shop with their eyes......i dunno......i was always told that it was the high current stuff that moved the air......

 

[Ronny49]

i've seen demo's of hi wattage rated power amps get smoked by lo watt integrated amps in the home audio world,yet watts are generally accepted by consumers as the yardstick.....perhaps a lot of amp design is marketed to people who shop with their eyes......i dunno......i was always told that it was the high current stuff that moved the air......

so Jim, let me ask you then... how is a person suppose to tell if an amp is going to be loud enough for their needs, since RMS wattage is not a good measurement?

I just ordered the Fender amp on the word of several people on this board. They all say that this head has more than enough power for any club or even outdoor gig, yet it is only rated at 600 RMS watts.

 

[MIJ-VI]

so Jim, let me ask you then... how is a person suppose to tell if an amp is going to be loud enough for their needs, since RMS wattage is not a good measurement?

I just ordered the Fender amp on the word of several people on this board. They all say that this head has more than enough power for any club or even outdoor gig, yet it is only rated at 600 RMS watts.

I gigged for years with a

putting out 250 watts RMS @ 4 &#8486; into a couple of EVM 15-Bs loaded into two 1 x 15 Kroth TL cubes.

That combination delivered clean bass as loud as our drummer could play--which, in my view, is the maximum volume a band's amplified instruments should be limited to if a group wishes to offer an aural experience embracing that key element distinguishing any truly musical offering: dynamics.

Only once did I ever feel the need for more power when a particularly noisy audience actually drowned our band out (no PA support) baiting me to foolishly turn up into power amp clipping which cooked one of the alleged 200 Watt RMS EV's coils.

IMO 600 Watts RMS into decent cabs should yield more than enough safe-for-speakers stage volume for use in any venue which doesn't sell seasons tickets.

Also to be factored in is the TB-600's tube pre-amp which can selectively compress a bass' output to a higher average level that makes it sound even louder.

 

[Ronny49]

@MIJ-VI Hey thanks for all your insight!

 

[Jim Campbell]

so Jim, let me ask you then... how is a person suppose to tell if an amp is going to be loud enough for their needs, since RMS wattage is not a good measurement?

I just ordered the Fender amp on the word of several people on this board. They all say that this head has more than enough power for any club or even outdoor gig, yet it is only rated at 600 RMS watts.

beats me....i don't have to lug mine so big tube amps work.....in the past i rented until i knew for sure.....the store was big enough to let me try a bunch of different amps/cabs.....