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Who prefers mass produced over boutique?

If it is well made, has good fretwork, and sounds good, im happy.

+100. My main bass is a TRB-1005. Looks, plays and sounds beautifully. I have A/Bed it with Moduli, Pedullas, Stingrays/Sterlings, even Skjolds and Sadowskys; this bass can hang with the best. The Skjold came closest, but that's comparing a $4,000 bass to a $650 bass and at the end of the day I still liked my Yammie. The Sadowskys and Laklands I've been able to A/B have been terrible, but that's probably why they were hanging in a GC to begin with; I've held and played far better examples but haven't been able to compare directly. Even then, though the feel of a couple Sads in particular was top-notch, the sound always made me long for my TRB.
 
Price has no bearing on what sound good to a player...

There is never a need to justify the price point of any bass, IMO. As stated above, price isn't what makes the bass sound good. I personally use expensive, custom made basses and somewhat el-cheapo production basses side by side at just about every gig I do ... I enjoy them equally and find no reason to justify why I use any specific bass on a certain date/set/tune.

Bass snobbery can easily go both ways, as is evidenced in this thread. It'd be so much easier to say "I play XXX bass because it works for me" rather then feel the need to disparage a specifc instrument that someone else is playing ..... I must admit that this attitude is one of the things I really dislike about some threads here .... :atoz:
 
i agree. especially since half the posts in this threads are some variation on "boutique instruments are a waste of money" and folks need to "justify the cost" of an instrument.

one guy makes a comment that could be interpretted as "cheap instruments are not as good as expensive instruments" and he gets repeatedly ganked. numerous posts in this thread are outright critical of boutique instruments and judgemental toward the folks that own/play them, and that's apparently appropriate?

Seriously. But then, that's what I expected before even opening this thread. There are a lot of rank assumptions being thrown around, and a lot of judgment happening.


I would have to have a scary amount of disposable income to be able to justify owning a custom bass.

To consider it for a $100 a night bar gig?

Unlikely.

They're nice. But like a Lamborghini or $500 bottle of wine or a handmade bamboo fly-rod I can't see how I could justify the difference unless my life was radically different in a manner that I'm incapable of comprehending.

Not really. I have several 'high end' basses. One of them is the equivalent of 20% of my yearly salary. Yes, I don't make much in a year. But the bass was a priority to me. I saved, planned and I made it happen because I wanted it to. Would and do I take my basses to $100 shows? You bet. No questions. I bought it to play. It makes me sound better than my production line basses, it feels better to play. It's easier to play and allows me to play closer to how I want to hear myself. Its worth it up and down. Its also got a flexibility that my P-Bass and my Jazz basses, etc. don't have.

My justification was "I want it".
 
Yup . my 80s Yamaha bb3000s - 1983-ish gives every bass that i own a run for the money.. Its punchier, faster, more balanced, lighter than any of them.. and fits in a mix for Pop or loud guitar stuff better than anything that i own... And to think i almost sold it a few years ago.

The old Yamahas are proof that different types of shops can produce quality instruments. Factories like Ernie Ball produce killer instruments and so do boutique outfits. The only thing that really matters is the quality of the bass in the eyes of the player.
 
I'm not rich or skilled enough to own any stringed instrument that costs more than $1000 and even that's pushing it.

But I'm just joe local player.

I can understand full time pro players or even full time amateur players or even hobbyists\aficianados wanting a custom, boutique, hand crafted instrument.
 
Oh yes.. Also in my Opinion , I think Musicman may make the best and most consistent production line basses available today.. that is just my opinion. Pretty reasonable in price and very consitent.. I only wish they would get away from their HEAVY body woods these days.. That is what keeps me from getting a new one. But at least they are consistently heavy..:)

The old Yamahas are proof that different types of shops can produce quality instruments. Factories like Ernie Ball produce killer instruments and so do boutique outfits. The only thing that really matters is the quality of the bass in the eyes of the player.
 
There are many ways to ring that bell!
If I found a fender bolt on style bass that delivered the goods like my series one instrument, I would play it.
I have gone to extreme lengths to make my Fenders play, sound and mostly respond like my alembic, but haven't had any satisfaction in doing so, so I'll keep playing my old bass that was made before the words "boutique bass" were ever muttered.


bottom line here is, everyone has different needs and plays music for different reasons. there are weekend warriors who play gear worth more then your car, there are working touring pros who use off the shelf MIM Fenders and solid stock reliable amps or even RENT the backline. There is no right and wrong here.

play what makes you happy, play what speaks to you
life is too short to follow what others believe. Do your thing and do it well! RING THAT BELL!
 
Oh yes.. Also in my Opinion , I think Musicman may make the best and most consistent production line basses available today.. that is just my opinion. Pretty reasonable in price and very consitent.. I only wish they would get away from their HEAVY body woods these days.. That is what keeps me from getting a new one. But at least they are consistently heavy..:)

+1 The weight of many of them and the narrow bridge spacing resulted in me moving away from them. However, Dr. Cheeze and I recently got to check out my old Ernie Ball 5 string stingray (can't remember how old, maybe 20 years.. I sold it about 10 years ago). It was heavy (HEAVY), but played great and the fit and finish was wonderful. I think Ernie Ball did a WONDERFUL job taking over that line of basses.
 
+1 The weight of many of them and the narrow bridge spacing resulted in me moving away from them. However, Dr. Cheeze and I recently got to check out my old Ernie Ball 5 string stingray (can't remember how old, maybe 20 years). It was heavy, but played great and the fit and finish was wonderful. I think Ernie Ball did a WONDERFUL job taking over that line of basses.

Yeah, your old SR5 is sweet.:cool: Music Man lovers do have the option now of getting a Sterling V which seems to average about 9-9.5 lbs.
 
I have to say that I had no idea what I preferred, until I spent a lot of time trying to figure it out!
I had no preconceptions as to what I was gonna buy, when I began searching out my new bass, last spring. I was/am fortunate at this point in my life, to be in a position where I had the disposable income required to be able to apply it to virtually any bass I wanted.
And please, don't take that statement as bragging, I have worked long and hard to be in this position, so I take some level of pride in being here.
I tried many, and I do mean many production basses, some I thought were alright, but none really, that blew my socks off. i had made myself a promise, I was gonna buy the bass that "spoke to me". The two that did, were boutique basses. Roscoe and Sadowsky stood out to me, with the Bongo coming in third place.
Again, this is just my opinion and as the consumer, I am entitled to this opinion. I went back and forth between the two, but eventually decided to buy the Roscoe. It just "felt" better to me and my playing style.
I've had the Roscoe for about three months now and I gotta tell ya, I find new things I love about this bass, every day I play it.
I have received numerous compliments on my playing, since I got this instrument. Compliments which were not forthcoming with my other basses. The bass has helped to make me a better player. It could be that I am more motivated to play more as I thoroughly enjoy spending time on it. It's so easy to play, it sounds freakin awesome and well, it also simply looks fantastic.
I am not slamming mass produced instruments, not at all, but as the OP asked which we prefer, well, there's your answer.
Would I have preferred to adore a less expensive instrument, yah, who wouldn't want to keep their money?!
But if your in a position to choose and buy what YOU want, then I say go for it!:bassist:
fishheadjoe
 
I've owned Hondo's all the way to an MTD 535 and it really depends how picky you are about YOUR sound. All basses play and can be made to sound decent, but no matter how hard you try, you can't make a Hondo, a Fender, a MM, or a Ric sound like a Roscoe. You can however come pretty close making a Roscoe or an MTD sound like the others.
I'm probably done buying botique, unless you count my Metro botique. But I still get a lump in my throat thinking of the Roscoe I used to own. That was an incredible instrument and worth every penny.
 
I like my $200 Fender jazz quite a bit.. I got it in the 1970s
It is worth more nowadays.
The problem is that now I cant find a bass that is like that for that price.. But the Allevas are almost exactly that.. They are a bass that is made basically by hand and jigs, exactly the way Leo made them 30 and 40 years ago.. Same woods, same neck construction that fender doesnt even do anymore. Same guy that painted them 40 years ago on some models.
And to a degree they even feel and sound like a vintage instrument from that era.. Yes there is a price to pay. But it is in line with other "BootyQ" basses.

I figured , should i bring my 60s "L" series Fender bass that may approach $15 grand or more to a gig, or bring my Alleva 3K bass to the gig that is so close to the "L" series that no one would know except me...

So in a way Im totally full of BS becasue i do like my cheap 80s Yamaha but I also like my Semi-Boutique Allevas with a flat sawn neck and alder body and NO hippie sandwich vibe..IMO


I'm not rich or skilled enough to own any stringed instrument that costs more than $1000 and even that's pushing it.

But I'm just joe local player.

I can understand full time pro players or even full time amateur players or even hobbyists\aficianados wanting a custom, boutique, hand crafted instrument.
 
Hmmm, haven't had one of these for a while. Mass produced basses are built for the masses and boutique basses are made for you. Considering boutique basses haven't shut down mass produced basses and vice versa, both must have some sort of niche or a smart enough plan to stay in business. Despite what most guitards would say, bassists aren't a bunch of numb skulls. Although, these usually don't accomplish a whole lot since the arguments turn into "boutique basses are for bassists who have more money than common sense" and "oh yeah, well, mass produced basses are crapola".

The unfortunate thing about boutique basses is that they're price prohibitive to many players and a lot of the critique comes from guys who have never played them or they might have played a few and made their mind up about the rest. Boutique builders can be decent, good, pretty good, and pretty damn amazing. Their prices can be fairly affordable to something that might prohibit junior from going to college, which isn't to say that the best are necessarily the most expensive or that the not so good ones are the cheapest. In short, they vary by a LOT! :eek:

If you can go to McDonald's and have them hold the onions, why can't you do that with a bass??

I play boutique because I am not a bassist among the masses. The only way Fender is gonna make me a nice unlined piezo electric 6 string is if I become famous or drop more coin than most boutique builders would have charged in the first place. :eyebrow: So.....I can either wait for Fender to release the bass of my dreams or I can pay someone else to do it now.

My first bass was a Peavey Cirrus and I must say that it plays as well as most given boutique basses. Outside of boutique basses, not much comes even close. Although on a side note, it's always entertaining to hear that ALL basses can get low action, but I don't think I've met too many bassists who keep their action nearly as low as mine, but still are experts on my action. ;) Regardless, I'm still happy with the Cirrus series, but I can't get 'em with other pickups or electronics. Not that the electronics are bad, but I wanted other tones as well.

So, upon getting my boutique basses, the action on my CB and Conklin are slightly better than my Cirri, although the Rob Allen has slightly higher action to get that pillowy thump. Regardless, the necks are all extremely comfortable the low B strings (when applicable) are phenominal. Even though TB usually says that the Ray has the best low B, try something like a Curbow or my Conklin as the clarity and consistency can't be beat...without a Dingwall. :cool:

The sustain and resonance on all of my boutique basses is killer. Yes, this is the point where someone will exclaim that they want quick decay. It's much easier to mute than to hope for sustain that simply isn't there. The top notch construction coupled with the right strings and a good setup will often lead to basses with extreme consistency and no dead spots. On my Conklin, for example, my low B still sounds clear enough to play at the 15th position. Not many basses can do that!

Comfort comfort COMFORT!!!! Play a Rob Allen Mouse 30 or a CB Ball bass for a while and you won't want to go back! Both are extremely light and the CB feels like it belongs on your leg when sitting. My Conklin may be a pretty big bass, but still weighs less than some Fenders and Ernie Ball basses I've played lately. The neck profiles are set up in a way that they feel like it belongs in your hands. Back when my last band was playing for several hours at a time without breaks, the comfort really added up.

Tone? Totally subjective. While some may suggest that they're all high end zing that nobody would ever want to record, there are many different electronics options that can sound exactly like a Fender, have more low end, more high end.....or some that can sound like a Fender, get more low end, and high end if desired! Sure, you can upgrade electronics sometimes, but you don't always have the kind of room for some electronics. Sometimes the goal is to NOT sound like a Fender. It can be done.

The usual argument against 'em is that they're lawyer basses that often collect dust. First of all, never underestimate someone like a lawyer as a very determined personality is how they got where they are AND the same attitude is often applied to music. I'm a pharmacist by trade and have never had too many problems hanging with professional musicians. Guys who spend their entire day on bass have an advantage, which just means my practice must be THAT much more intense. My basses were getting played plenty when I was in my last band. Currently, many local musicians have been sidelined by a severe drummer shortage, so I can't brag how many gigs I have as a mass production bass vs. a boutique debate doesn't apply when there simply aren't good bands needing a bassist at the moment.
 
it's all a question of priorities. some folks think spending 20k-40k extra on a vehicle for a brand badge or the shopping list of add-ons is an acceptable expenditure.

i have one of the more extensive custom instrument collections specifically built for me on talkbass, and that extra dough spent on amenities i mentioned above would cover the entire cost of my collection and then some.

so yeah, i have 12 custom 7+ string instruments and, when i bought them, i had a $3k car. i knew multiple folks who were amazed at my collection, and couldn't fathom being able to have something similar for themselves, and yet they drove $40k+ suv's. priorities. my $3k car certainly satisfied my transportation needs just as well as a $40k suv would, whereas a $500 bass would not satisfy my bass requirements.

You were right on....it's priorities.

But it's also value.

For what I "get" out of playing I'm satisfied with mid-range gear. Of course, the entire thing for me is more than just the bass and the playing of it; it's taking it and playing and being in a bar band and the fun I have seeing how far I can push that. It's an equal diversion at times between just the bass but also the PA, the vehicle, the rehearsal space...the whole shebang. It's not a "pure" thing where it's only the playing I'm in love with doing.

I don't own a 40K SUV nor a 7K bass. And unless my life was radically different in a manner I'm unable to comprehend I can't see how I could justify either. I'm not saying either aren't worth it, they're just not justifiable expenses to me.

It's neither good or bad or an indictment. It's just the reality of what I can and do put value into and at what point that value I find is more than I am willing to put in.
 
and this notion of "disposable income" is ridiculous!
who has disposable money? People make it sound like...well I could buy this bass I don't need or throw this wad of cash into the dumpster.

It is priorities and lifestyle choices
like john turner, my gear is more important to me then my car, that's my choice and it goes to my lifestyle choice.
 
Not really. I have several 'high end' basses. One of them is the equivalent of 20% of my yearly salary. Yes, I don't make much in a year. But the bass was a priority to me. I saved, planned and I made it happen because I wanted it to. Would and do I take my basses to $100 shows? You bet. No questions. I bought it to play. It makes me sound better than my production line basses, it feels better to play. It's easier to play and allows me to play closer to how I want to hear myself. Its worth it up and down. Its also got a flexibility that my P-Bass and my Jazz basses, etc. don't have.

My justification was "I want it".

Incorrect.

It's that you place that much financial value into what that instrument affords for you. You feel you get back what you put into it and thusly are justified in the purchase.

If you didn't then you wouldn't have bought it in the first place or would have returned or sold it after you got it.

If everyone were like you then there would be nothing else on the market but high-end basses.

But we all get different things out of music whether it's playing or gigging or learning or experimenting or writing....and everyone is going to get something different out of it and will place a different value on the tools they need to get the job done and find satisfaction and fulfillment in the whole thing.

No one needs to justify what they play. If it gets the job done for you and you believe you're getting your dimes worth out of it then that's what makes a satisfied customer whether it's custom or mass-produced.

Man....I'm not making any friends in this thread....
 
and this notion of "disposable income" is ridiculous!
who has disposable money? People make it sound like...well I could buy this bass I don't need or throw this wad of cash into the dumpster.

It is priorities and lifestyle choices
like john turner, my gear is more important to me then my car, that's my choice and it goes to my lifestyle choice.
IIRC disposable income is a pretty specific term, it refers to the cash available after taxes, most people mean "discretionary income" when they say disposable income and this refers to disposable income less necessary expenses. Its not really any more ridiculous than any other term we give to something ie a "bull market", "black friday" etc.
 
IIRC disposable income is a pretty specific term, it refers to the cash available after taxes, most people mean "discretionary income" when they say disposable income and this refers to disposable income less necessary expenses. Its not really any more ridiculous than any other term we give to something ie a "bull market", "black friday" etc.


thanks for the clarification!
makes sense!

again "necessary expenses" goes to lifestyle choices.
so it's different for everyone.

cheers!