First of all I don`t want to be offensive to anyone, this forum is great and it helped me to be a better bassist you answered w every single question I had and I could redefined my sound as never before. But...really Why all the tobias growler Gibson hate?????? I have a Tobias growler Gibson 5 and a musicman sr 5 with piezo. Friends, basissts, non bassists, profesional musicians, teachers all agreed the tobias growler is as good as the musicman stingray or better. Why all the hate, for the tobias gibson??? I really think that most of you who critize it didnt try one. All that state the tobias pre gibson is better didnt try one neither. I want to know what is happening. Its really a great bass, considering the stingray is the most overrated bass of the forum. I love the stingray dont misundertand me, but I think the growler deserves more respect here, gibson or not gibson. Perhaps pre gibson is better, like foderas or sadowskys, but being the new tobias as good as Musicman or Fender make the tobias a very good bass. They are different basses. I am more a fusion player so I play more the growler. It is warm, versatile slapp ala marcus miller bass, modern tone, dark, mellow. It gave me possibilities that where missing with the stingray. I also have a rock-pop-folk band where the musicman is a better choice for most songs. I like the growler more for a solo context. Why do you think all this happens??? Please all tobias lovers tell this bass is great.