There seems to be a strong consensus here that arranging speakers vertically is best, but every 410 cab I've ever seen has two rows of two speakers. Why? And is there any manufacturer who has dared to be different?
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Why are there no vertical 410 cabs?
- Thread starter Marginal Tom
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i would think a practical reason would be where would you put the amp. now with all the micro heads coming out maybe somebody will give it a try.
Rick Auricchio
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Compared with a "square" 410 cab, a vertical 410 probably costs more to build. It almost certainly costs more to ship, because it'd be as tall as an 810.
And many manufacturers are happy building cabinets that have traditionally sold well---they're not about to take risks.
EDIT: Yes, I forgot about the cabs being as wide as large heads and rack cabs.
And many manufacturers are happy building cabinets that have traditionally sold well---they're not about to take risks.
EDIT: Yes, I forgot about the cabs being as wide as large heads and rack cabs.
and i didnt think about the height! would be really impractical to haul around. might as well just use 2 2x10s and stack them up and be able to throw them in the trunk. hmmm... the more i think about it, there would really be no point in making a vertical 4x10!
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Taking a pair of 210's and stacking them vertically would achieve the same effect with the added benefits of easier transport and storage.
this. People want what their idols played.
I'd love a vertical 410 loaded with BP102s and a slanted starting at the top speaker myself! I have a small car that can handle the width, but it's not a very long car so it'd be practical for my car too
4x10 in line would be much easier to carry around than the typical square 4x10.
Add the class D half rack head of your choice on top and you get a killer rig that you shall hear with no issue.
I like this idea.
Add the class D half rack head of your choice on top and you get a killer rig that you shall hear with no issue.
I like this idea.
Mr. Foxen
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+1!!!
I gig with two 210 cabinets stacked as a vertical 410 powered by a GK MB-500 head or a Ampeg PF-500 head.
LOVE this set-up!!!
As BillF has said, when manufacturers build cabs for performance and NOT cosmetics, then we'll see all speakers arranged in the vertical.
I was just about to say this. Columns were the norm for portable PA speakers in the 60's and early 70's. Pretty much every manufacturer made them.
What if they were offset from each other slightly? Like the bottom one on the right, the second one diagonal to it (but not as high as stacked in a straight line), and so on? It might be about as tall as a 6x10, but not be as heavy, and would be wide enough to accomodate a head/rack.
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Some of them worked pretty well, too. They went away because the average user couldn't grasp the fact that vertical sources have wider dispersion, rather than the other way around. A not unfamiliar scenario. And now they're back. This would be today's equivalent of the Shure Vocal Master:
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I agree and, in fact, do precisely this. Tried the vertical skinny stack once and never went back to my old ways. My avatar is a little dark but that's a pair of Acme B2s behind me. I must find a clearer picture to use!
Edit: That's a bit clearer!
Years ago I ran around the states as a backup musician for a country music TV's road show.
We had 6 of the tall Vocal Master columns for FOH, (each had 4-8's and two 10's I believe), and we also had 4 of the "half column" Vocal Masters for monitors.
They sounded pretty darn good from what I can remember!!!
Plus, we covered some huge crowds with that system, and could still get it under the bus.
Problem is without special drivers the resultant impedance is going to be a problem.
If I had to carry two 410's, I'd rather carry an 810, but I'd rather carry two 210's than a vertical 410. I used Shure Vocal Masters and a similar PA made by Acoustic back in the day, and they were not fun to carry. Plus my SVT 210av's only weigh like 25 lbs each, and I'd much rather carry that separately than together.
I have an old peavey vertical 412, it's empty but it was a PA cab.
Prob would make a sweet bass cab if loaded... Hmmmmm
Prob would make a sweet bass cab if loaded... Hmmmmm
