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Why bother, but why not?

Past few years I’ve been getting into guitar playing. It’s humbling and intimidating to see the scope of material/technique in front of me. But I enjoy it, it brings me joy. I don’t necessarily have a goal to get any better, but I do (slowly) because I keep coming back.

frankly I’ve kinda plateaued on bass and it’s ok. The challenge of guitar is exciting and stimulating. It’s fun to learn new things, and I play music cuz it makes me happy! :)
 
Ah, a very interesting topic! I decided about a year ago that I was going to commit to learning how to read. Well, it didn’t take. I got bored and started to question why I was doing it, I just didn’t see it as something that was going to improve MY playing at this point in my life.

I’m 59, I’ll be 60 in a little over a month. My playing is as good as it has ever been, at this point I am not sure how much better I will ever be. I’ve been playing 43 years and finally am making more money than I did with in the 80’s, which like a lot of us, was not insignificant. But, my right hand fingers take forever to warm up and some days never warm up. This is not a huge problem for me as I am equally as competent with a pick, but it is still concerning.

So, I decided to keep doing the things pretty much the way I have forever and challenge myself that way. Not for everyone, I have never had a lesson on bass in my life and I am happy with where I am at.
 
A few days ago, I thought to myself, “why am I making an effort studying music?” I am old and I will never be great. A little while later, I was reading something and it occurred to me that I am still learning. I am still gaining knowledge. I am getting better with computers and other digital things. I am working out, I am watching my weight. Why not continue to improve as a musician as long as I can too? Tomorrow has never been promised to me at any age, it’s the same now as an old man as it was for me as a younger man. Given that, it is stupid not to keep learning and improving. So I will!:D
Age matters if you're a cheese
 
I consider it a bad day that I don't learn something, often nothing to do with music.

A submarine can't weigh more than it displaces, otherwise you disturb that ratio of 1:1: Every time you submerge, you later surface. If that's not in effect, you wind up with a submersion without the ability to later surface, a one-way trip. This will wreck your day.

I always learn something musically, it just happens by osmosis after all these years. It simply satisfies my curiosity, the basis of all learning, to answer what, where, who, or why, or how.
 
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I'm 52. My 9yo asked me "why do you have all this stuff. Do you want to be a rock star". I told him, I am a rockstar. I'm a dad. (Really there's a lot in common. For the first 10 years you're amazing. Then you become really uncool for another 10. Then finally you have the chance to be cool again provided you did the first 10 right.

But no, I see enough people who "made it" selling cars, real estate, building houses and loading people into ambulances. And you can't do what they did today doing the music I want to play. No thanks.

But I do want to able to play the stuff in my head and once in a while have someone say "that was cool!"
 
I'm 69 years old and respected in my particular market as well as some past ones. I'm not a great player. I like to think I'm better than average but have been called " great" more times than I can count. My goal at this point is just to stay busy and learn a little something on each outing. Even if it's just a different fill that pops into my brain and passes along to my fingers. I'm still playing steady and making more money than most of players in the Austin market, mostly by avoiding Austin proper.
 
A few days ago, I thought to myself, “why am I making an effort studying music?” I am old and I will never be great. A little while later, I was reading something and it occurred to me that I am still learning. I am still gaining knowledge. I am getting better with computers and other digital things. I am working out, I am watching my weight. Why not continue to improve as a musician as long as I can too? Tomorrow has never been promised to me at any age, it’s the same now as an old man as it was for me as a younger man. Given that, it is stupid not to keep learning and improving. So I will!:D

On this topic, here's an email I wrote to subscribers on my email list (DM me if you'd like to get on the list):

SUBJECT: "The Age Thing"

I wanted to check in and share a few thoughts about an issue that I’m hearing about a lot lately from my students - the issue of getting more serious about playing at an older age.

Maybe they played when they were younger and set the bass aside to focus on their careers or family. Maybe they just got bored.

Sound familiar?

But for whatever reason they got back into it, and the music “bug” has bitten again. They’re super dedicated and working hard, but they will ask things like - “is it too late for me?”, or “I really want to get back to playing some gigs, even though it’s been years. Is that even possible?”

Now when it comes to jazz, I fully understand these questions. After all, the history of jazz is rife with players who had already broken new ground by the time they were barely into their 20s.

But still, when my students ask me those questions related to “the age thing”, my answer is that it’s never too late.

Why? Because I look at it this way: once you’ve got the bug - once you’ve been bit by the music and really want to get better, you’re going to be enveloped in a new world of discovery, an ocean really, of beauty and possibility. You’ll be immersed in the ocean of the music - and that re-discovered or newly discovered passion is so much more vast, deep and all-encompassing than whatever limitations we may feel as a result of our age.

Now don’t get me wrong - there are certainly going to be folks out there that’ll try and size us up and try to belittle us as “that old guy/gal”. It ain’t gonna to be easy, and the voice of Resistance that lies inside of us will try to sabotage us.

But you know what? If you can groove and are fun to play with and know tunes, you CAN be gigging out there. You can grow musically. You can swim once again in that warm, beautiful ocean of music. And we can learn to drown out the voices of dissent, whether from outside or within.

There's no expiration date on passion, So don’t let the “age thing” bring you down.

Music is love - It ain’t about your birthdate.

Thanks for reading,
Lorin

Hope this helps!
 
On this topic, here's an email I wrote to subscribers on my email list (DM me if you'd like to get on the list):

SUBJECT: "The Age Thing"

I wanted to check in and share a few thoughts about an issue that I’m hearing about a lot lately from my students - the issue of getting more serious about playing at an older age.

Maybe they played when they were younger and set the bass aside to focus on their careers or family. Maybe they just got bored.

Sound familiar?

But for whatever reason they got back into it, and the music “bug” has bitten again. They’re super dedicated and working hard, but they will ask things like - “is it too late for me?”, or “I really want to get back to playing some gigs, even though it’s been years. Is that even possible?”

Now when it comes to jazz, I fully understand these questions. After all, the history of jazz is rife with players who had already broken new ground by the time they were barely into their 20s.

But still, when my students ask me those questions related to “the age thing”, my answer is that it’s never too late.

Why? Because I look at it this way: once you’ve got the bug - once you’ve been bit by the music and really want to get better, you’re going to be enveloped in a new world of discovery, an ocean really, of beauty and possibility. You’ll be immersed in the ocean of the music - and that re-discovered or newly discovered passion is so much more vast, deep and all-encompassing than whatever limitations we may feel as a result of our age.

Now don’t get me wrong - there are certainly going to be folks out there that’ll try and size us up and try to belittle us as “that old guy/gal”. It ain’t gonna to be easy, and the voice of Resistance that lies inside of us will try to sabotage us.

But you know what? If you can groove and are fun to play with and know tunes, you CAN be gigging out there. You can grow musically. You can swim once again in that warm, beautiful ocean of music. And we can learn to drown out the voices of dissent, whether from outside or within.

There's no expiration date on passion, So don’t let the “age thing” bring you down.

Music is love - It ain’t about your birthdate.

Thanks for reading,
Lorin

Hope this helps!
great post
 
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Now don’t get me wrong - there are certainly going to be folks out there that’ll try and size us up and try to belittle us as “that old guy/gal”. It ain’t gonna to be easy, and the voice of Resistance that lies inside of us will try to sabotage us.

When I got into punk in the late 70's, and totally immersed myself in the scene at some risk in the early 80's, I'd already heard many people consider the Stranglers as old men posing as punks. I found that as offensive then as I do now! I was still a kid, but it was the fact that the Stranglers obviously knew how to navigate the same weird hard world I was in, that made me interested in them. Also, when I was a much younger kid, the people I admired were usually either musicians, who I knew, including my mum, or people like uncles, or friends of the family who had interests in radio and other technical or scientific stuff.

If ANY of these people had given up these things, I would have had far less to respect in them, it was that they DID it, and it kept them going. I knew it could do the same for me when I got older. JJ Burnel is over 70 and he can still play better than I can. Mind you, I'm a late starter and a determined sod when it comes to solving interesting problems, so I get by.

What depresses me about the state of music now is the cult of youth and beauty, the astounding obsessions with celebrity, and worst of all, uncreative autotune!

The Stranglers played at the Albert Hall, in one of the proms, and they don't put on side about that. Actually the mix was awful at times but it was still a good show they put up there. I even learned to like Duchess, not previously one I liked very much.. They got that one sounding great with an orchestra in tow. Moments like those are surely rare, once-in-a-lifetime moments, and it's worth keeping going and taking any chances offered, at any time, because it's probably the only way chances like that one will ever arise, and the only way people could prepare for such unlikely events.

My only concern is that I may not be good enough a bassist to put myself about that much, but I still take a chance on having others hear me. It's the strangers (no, no 'l' missing there, I meant that specific word) that are most receptive, the people who thought they knew me are far harder to please, but I'm not here to satisfy their memories. I guess finding new audiences may well be less scary than NOT finding them, unless we lose the habit of trying.

When I saw the Stranglers at Grillstock in Bristol a few years ago, when Dave Greenfield was still alive and playing well, I was waiting and watching the flux of incomers who were obviously there to see them too, before I moved to get close to the stage just before they started up. One of the most amazing thing was the huge range in ages, the large number of very young people who were there, specifically because a band of 'old men' was capable of inspiring them to pay over 25 quid for a three-quarter hour at the end of a long sunday afternoon. THAT is a mark of real respect.

EDIT: probably worth adding this even to a long post.. There were punks I'd known since the early 80's who I later learned had been drinking and listening from the dockside, outside the arena where the Stranglers played. They were willing to listen, which is great, but it was the commitment of the younger ones who paid so much to get in, right at the end of a long day, who impressed me as much as the Stranglers did. I think they got their money's worth. They are the ones likely to live without regret dogging them all the way to the grave.

/end introspection. These things happen after a long night playing bass to people..
 
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When COVID hit I had to leave my work due to certain comorbidities. I decided then to improve my playing and musical knowledge as well as to play fingerpicking guitar.I'm 65 now and retired playing and gigging with the same band I have been for 8 years or so and looking for other playing opportunities. Bottom line if it weren't for being able to keep practicing and playing I'd be a basket case.

Music for me is a life-long learning pursuit. Are there moments when I question my resolve sure... but my sanity is most important.

Stick with it. Practice is its own reward.
 
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I’m 70. On Wednesday I’m going to play at a local jazz jam for the first time ever. I’ve played blues jams, and done small jazz gigs, but there are really good players (eg one was a Berkeley prof for 20 years) showing up to this jam. I am terrified. But I really feel alive!

The jazz jam was last night. We went and played... and had a blast. We played OK (relatively speaking!!! OK for us, I mean) and were invited back, so couldn't be better. We even played standing up, rather than perched on stools, which I'd thought I wouldn't be able to do playing jazz. (And yes, I practiced that!!) Life is exciting.
There were incredible players there, and their generosity and kindness was as spectacular as their playing. I have no photos; I figure sometimes playing it cool pays off.
The BIG relief... I managed to persuade my husband that calling Yardbird Suite would be asking to be taken to the cleaners. Kind of like tossing red meat into a bear cage. Instead we did Sugar and then Fly Me to The Moon, with him singing that.

And today we are TOTALLY exhausted... age, or just giving 120% of everything you've got.

Now to figure out the songs to prep for next time... (thinks...)
 
Little consolation I can offer, I’m afraid. I’ve not just stopped improving - I’ve gone downhill fast due to ill health and I am light years away from the musician I once was and will never be able to get back there again. Getting old is a bitch.
 
...I am light years away from the musician I once was and will never be able to get back there again. Getting old is a bitch.

We might not be able to play as fast, or some not at all, but we can still become better musicians. I don't play as fast but hopefully I am more musical. I can't hear frequencies like when I was young but I am much better at hearing all the parts of a performance and how they work together. I am better at hearing what is going on harmonically and I understand more about music theory. There is still so much more to explore along those paths that can make us better musicians but even more importantly help us to enjoy music even more.

The journey that makes us better musicians is never ending. Let's keep going!