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Why Is Tablature Bad?

The worst thing I have been asked/forced to play was sheet music for a Mannheim Steamroller chart for a Christmas production I was involved in this past Christmas. I fell asleep sight reading it with the orchestra, god it was boring!! Tab would not have helped it either. Much of the EB stuff out there is so mind numbing (not all, there are good parts too) that it is quite pointless to go to the effort of fully notating it. Using the drum kit format of printing the riff and then giving the number of times it is played would have helped immensely.

This is certainly true of the church music that I play. Fully written out parts for BG are exceedingly rare and the one or two that I have seen were exceedingly boring. Some of the stuff we do will have DB or Cello parts and they tend to be boring too. Fairly often though the cello part has something interesting but the keyboard players tend to appropriate those bits! The bassists on the practice recordings typically do much more interesting things and while I would love to have some of their lines transcribed so I could study them, the good lines are never, in my experience so far, transcribed. You pick it up by ear the best you can. Mostly I work off the chords, text notes to the bassist on the music, the recordings, and the occasional written out part that rarely exceeds 2 or 3 measures where the composer wants the whole ensemble playing something in unison be it specific notes or often just rhythms. Some of us work in environments where the ability to work off of written parts in whatever form they exist is very helpful or critical and some of us do not. I would not turn down a good tab of an interesting riff it were handed to me!
 
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Theatrical productions can be one of the best gigs out there. Quality of musicians is generally high and pretty girls dancing around and changing in the wings is a nice diversion as well. Once you are "IN" you are set, but screw it up and you have to wait a long time to get a second chance.
+1. The guy who mainly booked me on those gigs in Austin in the 80s is still a friend. I played at his 60th birthday party a couple years ago.

You are not wrong about the pretty girls changing in the wings. Only, I found that working in the theater world proved very, ahem, horizon-broadening for me relative to lifestyles I was exposed to. Many of those girls were not looking my way, but a lot of the guys were. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Last fun story - in about 1990 I did a production of "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum" at the Paramount in Austin. The guy who played the Centurion was the same guy who played the Sheik in the Clash's "Rock the Casbah" video. I still know him. I doubt the guys in the Clash could read music though.

Actually, one more theater story. I got to do a 75th Anniversary Paramount Theater Revue a few years later. A bunch of notable Austin musicians came to play; I was the house bass player. I played "Bojangles" with Jerry Jeff that night in front of a packed house!

I have these great memories. I put myself into the situation to do those things in many different ways, one of which was by learning to read music.
 
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Somebody better tell the person who created this tab you can't do what they just did:

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There's tab notation and there's tab notation. Not all tabs are created equally. ;)

Good tabs are rare. IMHO, add the chords and this is the way guitar music should look. Bass, not so much since we're usually only playing one note at a time. All, IMHO.
 
+1. The guy who mainly booked me on those gigs in Austin in the 80s is still a friend. I played at his 60th birthday party a couple years ago.

You are not wrong about the pretty girls changing in the wings. Only, I found that working in the theater world proved very, ahem, horizon-broadening for me relative to lifestyles I was exposed to.

Last fun story - in about 1990 I did a production of "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum" at the Paramount in Austin. The guy who played the Centurion was the same guy who played the Sheik in the Clash's "Rock the Casbah" video. I still know him. I doubt the guys in the Clash could read music though.

Actually, one more theater story. I got to do a 75th Anniversary Paramount Theater Revue a few years later. A bunch of notable Austin musicians came to play; I was the house bass player. I played "Bojangles" with Jerry Jeff that night in front of a packed house!
A tip for future reference if needed - never let costume people pick out videos. I discovered Priscilla Queen of the Desert IS as bad as it sounds... in the discomfort of my own home.
 
Most of the thousands of charts I've played were sent to me by the BL. He/She made them what they wanted with software they had. Intros/outros and hooks they wanted me to play exactly as they envisioned were written out note-for-note.

Other than that, it's common for a bassist to to be expected to BS their way through a tune off of the chord chart.

Someone wants to take the time to tab every note I'm going to play? Homie don't think so.
 
Somebody better tell the person who created this tab you can't do what they just did:

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There's tab notation and there's tab notation. Not all tabs are created equally. ;)

This example is a hybrid between tab and standard notations, however. Anyone who can read this is well on the way to reading standard. The various forms of musical notation all have advantages for the situations that they were devised to serve. Standard notation is not very user friendly or ergonomic. I've given some thought as to how it could be improved but not much because if there is any living person with the recognized authority to successfully promote a new and improved form of standard notation it certainly ain't me! If standard made more sense and were easier to learn it would be more popular among those who currently use tab and might be more useful when the two were used in conjunction with each other. It's just a dream of mine however, I don't expect anyone to be able to implement it within my lifetime.
 
Somebody better tell the person who created this tab you can't do what they just did:

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There's tab notation and there's tab notation. Not all tabs are created equally. ;)
And with a tiny little bit of extra effort, you can learn to read the notes AND the values. If you're going to go to the trouble to learn the note value symbols, might as well learn the notes. Why leave a job half finished?
 
Good tabs are rare. IMHO, add the chords and this is the way guitar music should look. Bass, not so much since we're usually only playing one note at a time. All, IMHO.

Good tabs are a royal PITA to create IMO. And the only way to really do it is with notation software like PreSonus's Notion or similar. Fortunately, when you originally notate something in tab using that software, the standard staff notation gets generated automatically. Same goes for when you start with standard notation. The tab is also created - although it seldom bears a close relationship to how it's actually played. As a result I tend notate in tab when I compose guitar and bass parts. That way I've got any tab I want exactly the way I want it - and I get the standard sheet notation automatically generated 99.9% correctly most times. I don't know if it's true for everybody, but I find standard staff notation easier to polish and tweak than I do tab. So I take the path of least resistance. For everything else, I stick to standard staff notation when I'm writing music.

That's my workflow anyway. YMMV.
 
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IMO tab is much more useful for guitar. I started off playing guitar and was always intimidated to learn how to read music because pretty basic songs on guitar can look crazy on a staff to a beginner. When I began playing bass I realized it was extremely easy to just memorize where every note on the staff is found on the bass, at least from low E to high B. Then I just memorized what notes fall on which ledger lines as I needed them.

Because you're usually playing only one note at a time, I found that it quickly became more about learning how to read rhythms than notes for bass, which I found less intimidating for whatever reason. Tab is cool when you don't have time to learn something by ear, or you want to see how others play a song. But if you approach bass sheet music as a form of tab (first line = G on E string, first space = open A string, etc.) it might be more manageable. From there maybe just buy a book that focuses on rhythms and comes with a CD so you know how certain rhythms are written out. Hope this helps anyone that is intimidated by learning to play music. It really does open a lot of doors, and once you get it down, you can sightread and feel like a badass.
 
They are all done in standard notation as well, including which RH finger to use and where to play on the string with your right hand, if that context matters, can also be done with standard notation. Though a visual can be faster from a tab.

Sure, if you're going to pretend that anyone actually does that. You can put any information you want in standard notation and TAB. 40hz posted the TAB below with duration. In reality it is more likely to find notation and TAB on the same page, than it is to find notation with fingering, position, and string choice.

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There's tab notation and there's tab notation. Not all tabs are created equally. ;)
 
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And with a tiny little bit of extra effort, you can learn to read the notes AND the values. If you're going to go to the trouble to learn the note value symbols, might as well learn the notes. Why leave a job half finished?

Never said anybody shouldn't learn to read standard music notation. I've taken heat in other threads for saying I consider it an absolutely critical skill for every musician at any level to be able to read. My point is that a lot of the bashing that tab gets comes from people who don't know (or can't be bothered to learn) a little more about it and where it can be extremely useful. So why not learn about both for that "tiny little bit of extra effort" you mention?

The answer is because: "tab ain't cool bruh!" But it's no surprise some musicianshave that attitude. People tend to fight the hardest for the things they already know or have learned. Unfortunately, they tend to dismiss anything else if it involves getting outside their bo,x or could make them reassess what they already know to be true.

Use what works. And if you have two things to choose from, why pick only one when you can just as easily have both?
 
Sure, if you're going to pretend that anyone actually does that.

I do that for some of my own music. Oh wait...I must only be imagining I do. :cautious:

You can put any information you want in standard notation and TAB. 40hz posted the TAB below with duration. In reality it is more likely to find notation and TAB on the same page, than it is to find notation with fingering, position, and string choice.

I do it that way too sometimes. But since that's more likely I guess I'm not only imagining I'm doing that. ;):laugh:
 
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"Almost the same"... "a little different" ?

That's a knee-slapper there.
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"Almost the same" because it IS the same note, but where you play it on the neck defines the timbre of the note and it's up to you to decide which one is best - that's part of being a musician. I complained once that playing a passage in a song in a particular manner was a pain but playing it in a more convenient spot just didn't sound as good to me. The rest of the group said, "let's hear it". So I played through the part using a shift up the neck and then the same thing using the D & G string to play the part I shifted up the neck for originally. They said they couldn't hear any difference, so I played it using all 4 strings instead of shifting up and using 3. Later we recorded the song and I played it both ways. They were indistinguishable in the recording. That's not because there wasn't a change in timbre between playing them in the two different spots, but the slight change in timbre was indistinguishable in the mix. Playing by yourself and playing within a group are two entirely different things.

And as another fellow already pointed out, you can't get the rhythm from the tabs; you have to hear the song or passage first. With music notation, you don't have to hear the passage before you can play it. All the information is there, you just have to read it. It has the notes and the rhythm built in. God help you if you are trying to notate syncopated triplets in tabs. Musical score might show it as a dotted sixteenth note followed by a thirty-second note followed by a sixteenth note with arch over all 3 denoting it's a triplet. That's immediately recognizable in a score. So I'd say you're missing out if you restrict your playing only to tabs and don't bother learning to read music. Learn to use both and you can use whatever you are given.

My opinion is that tabs are nice to have along with the music score in case you have a question about fingering options, but are a poor substitute without the score. Tabs are also great if the composer of the piece is showing you "where" he wants you to play the part for the sound he's striving for - it is his song. If the tabs are someone else's transcription of what they interpret is being played - then at best they are an option for the fingering. I'd rather listen to the song first and work off a chord chart than work off of tabs only.
 
Sure, if you're going to pretend that anyone actually does that. You can put any information you want in standard notation and TAB. 40hz posted the TAB below with duration. In reality it is more likely to find notation and TAB on the same page, than it is to find notation with fingering, position, and string choice.
When I studied classical guitar it was integral to the performance, and as such, it was clearly notated.
 
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Use what works. And if you have two things to choose from, why pick only one when you can just as easily have both?


I find tabs generally to be space hogs. When I'm reading a chart of a long tune I prefer to keep it to only the necessary information so as to reduce the number of pages to turn. Bass generally isn't complicated enough where tab is crucial to playing a line. Now if it was a polyphonic bass part, a random tab here and there might be useful, but those are pretty few and far in between - though I do play chords from standard notation quite frequently in one of the groups I am in.
 
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Good stuff, but I see no mention of staccato or tenuto or various accents.

Just use the standard marks above the tab like you would with standard notation. The page is fairly guitar specific since different tab notations are specific to certain instruments.

Good point. But I think staccato may be mostly relevant to bowed instruments since a plucked instrument is generally staccato to a greater or lesser degree no matter what without resorting to electronics.

Although it's not a direct analog, "let ring" is fairly close to the idea behind tenuto. But with guitar notation or plucked bass, the natural note bloom inherent in the instrument encourages a tenuto-like articulation anyway. Because there's a relatively long attack before a note comes up to volume and pitch, guitarists tend to hang onto a note to get that bloom.

Or so it seems to me. :)