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Why Is Tablature Bad?

But that doesn't make it bad, it just makes it limited. Granted most of the user generated tabs on the internet are wrong, and yes that is bad. But if you buy song books that also have tab written in them and prefer to learn that way, then nothing is wrong with that. Should all people who play instruments be able to read notation and chord sheets? probably, but it's not a requirement. As an earlier post said, as long as you understand that tab has limitations and you're not getting the entire story of the song, then it's not bad.
It's not really about right or wrong. It's about better or worse. Tab is bad. It's not wrong, it's just bad. It's a bad way to learn songs but, most important, it's a really bad habit to make it your go-to way to learn songs. It may be quick, but it is limiting.

It reminds me of when I played tennis in my teens. I was fairly good, and I got that way fairly quickly. Then an instructor showed me how my form and hand position was bad. I changed to what he recommended. My playing was significantly worse and it felt un-natural. But I plugged away and became comfortable with it. I got better and rather quickly surpassed my previous skill level - and continued to improve significantly.

Tab can get you to a point, and get you there quickly, but it is quite limiting. It really is the equivalent of training wheels on a bike. You are much better off without them. And you need to ditch them very soon. Oh, and you are not really a bike rider until you do.
 
This thread comes down to the usual pros vs hobbyists.
100%, completely wrong.
There are lots of professional musicians that never write their music out in western notation.
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Music existed for thousands of years before western notation and western notation isn't the only type of notation.
Musical notation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notation can make things easier, but it isn't a requirement to write or perform music.
That includes tab.
And tab is just cliff notes for learning by ear.
 
100%, completely wrong.
There are lots of professional musicians that never write their music out in western notation.
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Music existed for thousands of years before western notation and western notation isn't the only type of notation.
Musical notation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notation can make things easier, but it isn't a requirement to write or perform music.
That includes tab.
And tab is just cliff notes for learning by ear.


I'm not debating that, I'm simply saying the opposing sides are the same as always. I did say that notation or sight reading is not required.
 
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Another grand fallacy that is floating around this thread is the notion that written notation is widely available.
It isn't. Especially for bass.
Only the smallest sliver of available music is ever published any printed form. The internet contains tabs, with varying degrees of accuracy, to fill the largest library. All for free, all without wasting paper.
Another related fallacy is the printed notation is authoritatively correct. I have music books of Metallica and Pearl Jam music that are well documented as being wrong or missing entire sections.
 
But that doesn't make it bad, it just makes it limited. Granted most of the user generated tabs on the internet are wrong, and yes that is bad. But if you buy song books that also have tab written in them and prefer to learn that way, then nothing is wrong with that. Should all people who play instruments be able to read notation and chord sheets? probably, but it's not a requirement. As an earlier post said, as long as you understand that tab has limitations and you're not getting the entire story of the song, then it's not bad.
Bad=worse than something else available that does the same job more accurately.

If a group of people decide to use tab amongst each other-nothing wrong with that, but that is speaking of the people and not of tab as a means to communicate information.
 
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I think playing trombone in stage bands in college and high school gave me a huge leg up on many of the "rock musicians" I've played with that were never in any kind of high school band or orchestra.

Same here. I'm sure having had to read music in school in 7th grade made it a lot easier for me. It's easy to say "well, just learn it!" when you've had a skill for most of your life, and learned it when you were young and new things were a lot easier to pick up. Trying to learn that same skill later in life can be much more of a challenge.
 
In another thread, people are telling the OP to stop working with tablature learn how to read music.

When I read tablature:

G------------------
D------------------
A------------3--5--
E---3--5--3--------

I see the following:

G, A, G on E string
C, D on A string

I also look at the note lengths in the sheet music above the tablature.

Now can someone explain to me why that is worse than standard sheet music?

Tab is one of several methods one musician uses to convey information to another. A willingness to share helps us all to grow as musicians. As an ancient Sumerian proverb goes "If someone knows, why wouldn't he tell?" There is nothing wrong with tab. Compared to other forms of musical notation it is rather limited but then Tweeting is rather limited compared to writing the Great American Novel, isn't it? That does not make it either useless or dangerous. It is what it is and if it works for you in your situation and meets your present and future goals then knowing tab and nothing else is fine really.

If you are young and intend to work as musician as a life long career then you really need to learn to use ALL forms of musical notation that are in common use. The ability to converse in many musical languages will serve you well professionally. At least on occasion it will be the difference between getting the job and being passed over. If you are or intend to be a pro then you should not be asking this question, you should be learning all the relevant notational systems and becoming fluent in them! If you are an old guy like me, playing in a church band, and tabs are working well for you then no need to change. Obviously a lot of people on TB will be somewhere between these two extremes and should go with whatever best serves them. In my case I rarely get much value from those exceedingly rare written out bass lines that I do get on occasion since I generally feel like copying what I hear on the recordings by ear results in a better bass line than any fully written out bass line I have come upon yet. But I can get some useful information from standard musical notation even when it is intended for other instruments so I prefer that to chord charts. I have never yet been given a tab to work from. But there are times when I would be delighted to get a written out bass run in any form, tab included, since it can be hard to figure out what the bassist on a recording is doing in a dense wall of sound.

One also should keep in mind that standard notation PLUS tab can be better for a bass player than either alone. For a lot of instruments, the clarinet I played for years in school bands is one, standard written notation tells you EVERYTHING you need to know to play a piece since once you see the pitch to play the fingering is locked in. This is not so for stringed instruments since a given note can be found in several places on the fingerboard in most cases and the optimum place to play it depends on the notes you need to play before and after it. If you are given a part in standard notation you will have have to work out the best fingering for it on your own, even a recording cannot tell you that. A video might but who ever shows the bassist in a video, am I right!? A WELL DONE tab will give you a place to start with the fingering while the standard notation gives you the notes and rhythms to play. You may use it verbatim or you may choose to modify it, but a well done tab will augment written notation quite nicely. A brain dead tab will only tell you what notes to play and leave you to figure out on your own a practical fingering approach for the piece as a whole but in that sense it is no worse than standard notation which leaves you in the exact same position as long as both are accurate.

Are tabs inaccurate? Well, they can be. So can standard notation. Our church choir recently sang a couple of pieces from Handel's Messiah and I had to make some corrections to the score in pencil in the bass line on one of them. And this on a piece that is well known and hundreds of years old!! The value of any specific example of any written notation is only as good as the skill and dedication of the person who transcribed it. Errors in tab notation do not prove that it is useless, they only prove that there are tab authors you should not trust. If they wrote out parts in standard notation they would look more authoritative because we all assign more authority to standard notation but they would be no more trustworthy!

If you are happy with the notational system that you use and can find all the music you need in it then keep using it. If you really need to change then you don't need us talking heads on TB to tell you to change. You will be frustrated by the limitations of what you are using now and that will motivate you to change in a way that we never can.
 
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Tabs are useful for figuring out the bassline of a song quickly and as a teaching aid. But using tab only is like teaching a parrot to talk. They can repeat what they hear but they are not comprehending the english language enough to put together a short sentence. And Parrots are a very intelligent animal.

Learning even just basic music theory will go a long way towards being able to improvise or put together a short solo. Tabs are great but very limited and will only get you so far. Learning music takes some time and effort and may or may not be fun but it will pay off and will make playing much more fun later.
 
No, you said that this breaks down along "pro" vs "hobbyist" lines. That's complete BS. There are lots of pros that don't read standard notation.


I meant the thread here in talkbass being the same members making the usual arguments, not commenting on whether or not pros outside of here read or not. Simply put, I already know roughly what's going to be in certain members comments already based on the 27,000 discussions I seen since 2013. And I'm sure if anyone happens to remember me from previous threads they already pretty much know my opinion. And if you took a poll you'd find more hobby types on the tab side and more people making money off music on the other.
 
100%, completely wrong.
There are lots of professional musicians that never write their music out in western notation.
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Music existed for thousands of years before western notation and western notation isn't the only type of notation.
Musical notation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notation can make things easier, but it isn't a requirement to write or perform music.
That includes tab.
And tab is just cliff notes for learning by ear.
Even a lot of us hobbyists don't take tab seriously, and for a variety of reasons. 'Course, I'm one of those guys that never bought a "fake book" and learned after the invention of MP3. It means my preferred method is a mixture of chord sheets and listening to the mp3 over and over and over, while using a Korg Pandora that allows me to pitch shift the original recording at a granular level. I only use tab to get the correct hand position on complicated signature riffs, and even then, youtube lets me SEE them play it.
 
Same here. I'm sure having had to read music in school in 7th grade made it a lot easier for me. It's easy to say "well, just learn it!" when you've had a skill for most of your life, and learned it when you were young and new things were a lot easier to pick up. Trying to learn that same skill later in life can be much more of a challenge.
On a related note, I've been in IT since 1983. The single, most absolutely useful class I took in high school is typing. Who could have imagined?
 
You should check out StaffTab notation devised by Greg Howard for the Chapman Stick. It has standard notation similar to piano with treble and bass clef. The notes are different shapes to show which finger is used, above (or below in bass clef) it tells which fret is played for the note and then lines are drawn on the staff lines to show which strings the notes are played on. So you get something you could play on piano but with the hints to show you how, what fingers and on what strings the notes are played. It has a little bit of ramp up time, mostly with the note shapes and what fingers to use, but it can be used by beginners to advanced players. As you get better, you don't need the "training wheels" as much, but they're still there to show you a better way to play a certain passage.

Sample:
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Tablature is actually very old going back to at least the 1500's and was popular with fretted instruments and not so much keyboard instruments because of the repeating notes in different locations thing. If you ever learned nylon string guitar you'd be exposed to French tablature which unlike modern tab does show the note values and location. For some reason I find it, and other tab hard to read and will transcribe stuff to notation, but that maybe just me. Musicologists who study practices of the Renaissance era find tab useful because where the notes are played on the fingerboard says a lot about the expression. There is nothing inherently wrong with a different system of recording music on paper IF it contains all the information necessary to play something without having to be availed of a recording to fill things out. There's my .02
 
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Another grand fallacy that is floating around this thread is the notion that written notation is widely available.
It isn't. Especially for bass. Only the smallest sliver of available music is ever published any printed form.

Are you sure? Because western notation has been around for an awfully long time and there's really a whole freaking bunch. There's not a whole lot older than ~400 years still surviving, but there is a whole, whole, whole bunch of music between here and there. Originals and improvs often don't get transcribed, but that was as true for a lute player in the 13th century as it was for the banjo picker I played with this week.

If we're talking about a common fallacy - seems like (on the BG side of TB) people think that music started with the electric guitar and everything else doesn't count for some reason.
 
Are you sure? Because western notation has been around for an awfully long time and there's really a whole freaking bunch. There's not a whole lot older than ~400 years still surviving, but there is a whole, whole, whole bunch of music between here and there. Originals and improvs often don't get transcribed, but that was as true for a lute player in the 13th century as it was for the banjo picker I played with this week.

If we're talking about a common fallacy - seems like (on the BG side of TB) people think that music started with the electric guitar and everything else doesn't count for some reason.
As a trombone player, I saw written music every time I played. As a bass player, I've seen it exactly once, since I started in 1998.
 
As a trombone player, I saw written music every time I played. As a bass player, I've seen it exactly once, since I started in 1998.

As a bass player, I've seen it approximately a jillion times, since I started in 1990. However, I've been disappointed in many of the rock music sheets that I've seen so I understand why people don't like them. But I was handed a lead sheet at a trad jam on Tuesday, learned an open mic folk set by ear on Wednesday, and played off a piano score for a musical last week, so I guess it really depends on your genre.
 
A lot of tabs provide rests, and the notes on the staff have the rests, 16th/8th/Quarter/etc. notes. I guess it all comes down to what tabs you get provided the person who made them actually write it all out.
Not the tab OP provided. In the cases you mention, it looks like we're talking about tabs developing into a new kind of notation for stringed instruments, so it then becomes a question of which notation you prefer. My point is that standard notation shows a great deal of musical information in a short amount of time--once you master it. Mind you, for strings this is kind of neat, because as you know, the same note can be played in a variety of places on the fingerboard. Notation allows the reader to see the relationship between notes and not just where they are. I guess tabs does to, in its way. Again, I don't think of it as an either/or, but as one supplementing the other. I definitely believe in being able to read music (mom and high school band to blame there). I really can't see the harm in learning how to.

I like tabs when they're accompanied by notation. Best of both worlds, then. :thumbsup: