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Why MIM Fenders are bad?

Do you think MIM Fenders are overall bad?

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I bought new one of the first generation MIM P's. It was ok but the PU's were weak and the fretboard felt skinny and not too great if I remember. I sold it soon after and splashed out on a vintage P which was lovely but way to expensive to keep.

Fast forward nearly 15 yrs and I recently I picked up a VM Squier P which I'm pretty sure is better quality than that early MIM P. The necks chunkier and the PU's are very good indeed the whole thing feels very nice, its even inspired me to roll the fingerboard and sand the back of the neck, I may even get it refinished in Shoreline Gold Im so happy with it.
Nope I wont be selling the Squier soon at all.
 
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We want pics!!!
 
I would make a guess but I have had experience with only a couple of basses so it could be like tossing a coin.
If you read the first post, that question (the noticable differences) is what I want to know from the experienced people.
I'm not going to wade through every post and every page, but there several different MIM models with different features and capabilities, so the comparison is meaningless - not your question, I mean the dudes on other forums you mentioned who are making the comparison.

I owned an American '57 Reissue for about 7 years and during that time I also bought a Classic 50s Lacquer so I could have one with flats and one with rounds. Three years later I sold the AVRI and still have the Classic 50s. There are *very* few differences between the two, and none that are meaningful to me. When I put some high tension flats on the C50s, the neck needed no adjustment at all. Intonation is still spot on, and I've never had to adjust the truss rod. I rarely even have to tune it.

I also own two American Standards, a 2014 and a 2016. The 2014 has the same flats and I have to tune it multiple times when I play it, and I did have to adjust the truss rod and bridge for intonation when I switched it to flats. I think the tuning problems are due to stringing the flats through the body however. I hope so. I love the stock pickups in both Americans, and the ones that came in the C50s are the same ones that came in the pre-2012 American Standards.

MIM Standards and Players both do not have rolled edge fretboards, which is a feature of the American Standards and Pros that I really like a lot. The MIM Standards had ceramic pickups that some people hated and some people liked, but that's an easy thing to change. Otherwise, they're both basically 70s spec American Fenders.

In the 90s, Fender was less focused on making good instruments and more on covering the whole market, so the MIMs of the day were built cheap - plastic Strat-style knobs, multiple body pieces laminated together, less desirable lighter shade rosewood, etc. Doesn't mean they were crap, just that Fender cut corners cost-wise. Across both American and Mexican lines, Fender's QC was horribly inconsistent as well. MIJ Fenders have had a strongly positive reputation since the 80s when they began. People tend to have long memories with bad experiences, and other people tend to share those negative opinions without their own firsthand knowledge. Somewhere around 2006-2007, all that changed.

I think a big part of the reason the American Originals replaces the American Vintage Reissues is that the Classic series are so good. To me, the differences these days are more about features and price point than they are about quality. Doesn't mean you won't find a stinker at every price point on occasion, but across the board they're all great, from Squiers on up, and they're all worth the price differences.
 
I just got myself a Player Series Jazz bass and it doesn't need to have any mods done to it out of the box. Maybe a setup to your liking, but that's all mine needed.
I've been playing for 36+ years, and every bass (except one) that I've owned has needed at least one setup - I've played Americans and Mexicans in stores that had fret buzz or poor action, and IMO shouldn't have been put on the floor without a setup - why stores do that, I have no idea. They'd sell what they have quicker if they did. I was eyeing one bass for quite a while, a NOS American Standard at a great price that had a bad setup, and I didn't buy it because I didn't want to commit to a bass without knowing how it'd play after the setup. Someone finally bought it and probably got a real bargain. The next time I came across a deal like that with a bad setup is one of the American Standards I currently own, and the other one I own was also like that.

My MIM Classic 50s is the only bass I've played in my entire life that was set up perfectly out of the box and has needed literally nothing done to it since I bought it four years ago. Mind you, it's only on its second set of strings too, and I've no intention of changing them for a few years yet.
 
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I voted "not bad". They're not. They're not really the best bang for the buck, imho, but they're not bad, per se. Maybe overpriced.
 
I've been playing for 36+ years, and every bass (except one) that I've owned has needed at least one setup - I've played Americans and Mexicans in stores that had fret buzz or poor action, and IMO shouldn't have been put on the floor without a setup - why stores do that, I have no idea. They'd sell what they have quicker if they did. I was eyeing one bass for quite a while, a NOS American Standard at a great price that had a bad setup, and I didn't buy it because I didn't want to commit to a bass without knowing how it'd play after the setup. Someone finally bought it and probably got a real bargain. The next time I came across a deal like that with a bad setup is one of the American Standards I currently own, and the other one I own was also like that.

My MIM Classic 50s is the only bass I've played in my entire life that was set up perfectly out of the box and has needed literally nothing done to it since I bought it four years ago. Mind you, it's only on its second set of strings too, and I've no intention of changing them for a few years yet.
I should also add that I owned a Squier Affinity Jazz, which I always scoffed at until I played this one - it was great! And a bargain! Minor setup needed, comfy neck, attractive wood grain in the body, pickups sounded decent, and I'd own it still if I hadn't needed it for a trade-in.
 
Fender Geddy Lee Jazz bass (now MIM), Flea roadworn Jazz bass...
IMO the best mexican fenders.

I personally think that the Geddy is actually the best sounding Jazz bass out there! (Of course, with any bass, the player makes the difference aswell)

I have played both Mexicans and Americans. Some mexicans have felt the same as americans, some mexicans have felt a touch not AS nice as americans. If an american is %100 in build, the mexican is maybe %90 - %97 as good, worst case scenario being %90.

For me, I play $600-$700 basses and they are enough for gigging, studio work, soudning and feeling amazing! At the end of the day, Fender are high quality instruments, compared to say spending $700 on an ibanez or cort which still sounds great. If you are spending the rough $1000> it's well made. Maybe some are more well made than others.

If there are some build issues they can 8 times out of 10 be fixed.

I strongly recommend try before you buy, but unless the neck is bowed or the bridge is on a 30 degree angle, I say buy with confidence.

Fender have a bit of experience when it comes to the bass guitar... they invented it!
 
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Many good points above. IMO nobody is asking or is missing the question- are players looking to and or buying a MIM Fender because "It's a Fender?" Or because it's a less expensive Fender? I understand it's ability to be modified and or customized, but is it still a MIM Fender after changing everything from pick-ups to passive/active pre-amps, bridges etc.? IMO plenty of other and yes better instruments made overseas at that/those price points.
If one buys a Cannondale MTN bike, and change/modify wheels, components, seats or whatever, is it still a Cannondale? Or is it another bike altogether on a Cannondale frame? I mean, it's "your bass," call it what you want, and play your heart out!
 
I am pretty sure you'll find the consensus here is that they are good.
I will tell you what, the fender Squier stuff, especially the vintage modified/classic vibe stuff is just as good as a lot of the MIM stuff in my experiences, maybe even better. The VM 70s jazz bass and the VM precision pj are amazing straight up, not to mention the price.
 
  1. How does someone find a good MIM Fender?
  2. What actually is better/worse? Is it the build quality? Is it the wood quality? Is it only the tone? Is it the workmanship? Is there a secret serial number to be deciphered on the good ones (lol)?
  3. How much do these aspects differ amongst these basses (same design, different series/brand)? For example, maybe the wood is far superior in MIAs but what about the electronics?
  4. Is there really a huge gap between the good and bad MIMs or is it exaggerated? How much can two MIMs be different?
  5. Lets say that you ordered one online, do you think that its pure luck to actually get a good MIM? Or is it your bad luck that you got an exceptionally bad one? What are the odds of ending up with a bad one when picking blindly?
  6. Finally, what are your opinions about the latest (2018) MIM Fenders.
I recently went shopping for a P bass, with a budget of under 500. Obviously i wasnt going to buy new but i tried them to explore my options. Any following mention of trying a bass refers to a new bass...
1. Shop used! And try them! If buying new is a priority, the answer is try them. Both things you mentioned, And they are true.
2. Workmanship, IMO
3 & 4. I tried basses i wouldn't buy, but none i wouldnt be perfectly happy with at a gig. I think theyre pretty darn good.
5. Is that what this is about? Buying online? I would think if youre comparing MIM vs MIA, youd want to get your hands on it. On the other hand, at that price point, you could probably afford return shipping if you do get a lemon.
6. Tried a player jag and standard P that didnt wow me, but no issues to speak of, just no special connection. Tried a player P that felt amazing.

Im just a weekend warrior, 2-4 gigs a month. Also on a tight budget. I could NEVER afford a new MIA, and that player P IS my dream bass. First world problems.
 

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