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Why MIM Fenders are bad?

Do you think MIM Fenders are overall bad?

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I have Fenders from America, Japan, Mexico and Indonesia. The only one I have had quality issues with was the Indonesian Squier Precision Special. My main bass right now is a MIM Fender Jazz, it has been slightly modified (as have ALL my Fenders), but it sounded good before the mods and even better afterwards.
Most opinions of MIM Fenders that I have heard/read are positive.
 
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  • How does someone find a good MIM Fender?
Good is subjective, making this question a little difficult to answer. I have a 2004 MIM J bass that I adore. The neck feels good to me, everyone who has ever worked on it says i got a good one. Whatever thats worth.
  • How much do these aspects differ amongst these basses (same design, different series/brand)? For example, maybe the wood is far superior in MIAs but what about the electronics?
I have a MIA Jazz 5 string. The craftsmanship is far superior but the "upgraded electronics" in my opinion are worse than my MIM 4 string.
  • Is there really a huge gap between the good and bad MIMs or is it exaggerated? How much can two MIMs be different?
Cant comment, havent played enough of them. again, if you like the way the bass feels, yours is good. Use whatever window you have to test the bass before deciding to keep it or not. Be critical if you like.
  • Lets say that you ordered one online, do you think that its pure luck to actually get a good MIM? Or is it your bad luck that you got an exceptionally bad one? What are the odds of ending up with a bad one when picking blindly?
Impossible to know.
  • Finally, what are your opinions about the latest (2018) MIM Fenders.
Buying new stuff is for suckers and rich folks.
 
I have found, over the years, that MIM Fenders are what I would call "generally fine" and "pretty much worth the money."

I have two MIM Strats that are lifers. I got my money's worth for them, IMO, even buying them brand new and modding them. You do even better on the used market.

#1 thing that must be done is that you must have quality fret dressing performed. End dress, level, crown, and polish. Maybe round over the fretboard edges while your tech is at it. Have the tech install a nut too, while they are at it. That will run you about $100 to $150, depending on whether or not you get a new nut. Well worth it. The pickups, pots, and tuners are generally serviceable as stock IMO, but can be replaced if you want a different tone. The hardware can be replaced too, if you want.

FWIW, I have to do all the same stuff to a new Gibson too.

Squiers can be good bases for modding projects too. That said, I have found myself getting along better with MIMs, and I do find them to be better quality over all. That is not to take anything away from the huge bang for the buck that many Squier lines offer.
 
This may be a long post, but I'll try to give my objective, but somewhat limited, opinion on the subject. This will be a side by side comparison of a MIM and an affinity model.

I own a c. 2015 or 16 MIM p bass special that I bought new from musicians friend. It was on sale for 750, normally 899. If you're thinking about buying one new, definitely wait until they are "on sale" bacause it happens quite often. The model name means that it has a maple jazz neck with block inlays and a 70's style headstock and PJ pickup configuration. It also has a high mass fender bridge that looks a lot like a badass bridge. I've also recently looked over a couple squier affinities.

This is my p bass:
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Sorry it's not an awesome photo, but that's what they all look like, so...

Here's what the pickups and controls look like, stock:
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The pickups are definitely the weak spot in this instrument, and it's why I was initially unimpressed with the instrument and why I replaced them. To me, it is disappointing that a bass at this price point features a "noiseless" pickup with a bar magnet on the back. My feelings were that I didn't hate the way the bass sounded with the stock pickups, it was just not interesting.

So, next we have a very similar squier affinity model innards:
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Immediately apparent are the much smaller and cheaper pots. I dont have a picture of that whole bass, but it's pretty easy to imagine what it looks like.

The biggest difference between a MIM Fender and the squier affinity models is the care paid to the finishing of the instrument. The mim came to me ready to play, and the thing I was upset with was the slightly sharp fret ends that I dont notice unless I really try.

In contrast, both of the affinity basses I've looked at (one arrived with a broken tuner, so I had the privilege of looking over two identical basses very recently) were fine, but the finish work on both was really sloppy. There was glue in places it shouldn't be, like drips on the body and excess dripped on the fretboard. The back of the neck had obvious tool marks which had not been sanded out.The fretboard was very dry. The frets looked smaller than what is on the MIM as well, they were finished ok, although it didn't look as though they were very carefully polished. The back of the neck was not fine sanded, and the finish was a very thin sealer- thin to the point where it could be called non existent. If you are at all handy and not averse to spending a couple hundred bucks and a few hours on upgraded electronics, the squier affinity could be nearly as good as MIM model for much cheaper.

Objectively, a MIM bass is often a very nice instrument, and looking at the price of a new American Fender, they are a good buy. However, if you want to work on a bass a little and dont care what it says on the headstock, the low end squiers are very good value. The main thing you have to consider is what your time is worth and how much you like fiddling with your guitar. Also, its is unlikely that you're going to have any sort of fair return on the money you've put into it if you decide to sell it.

The math would work out thusly to make an affinity PJ up to the quality of an MIM:

Bass: 200
Pickups: 140
New pots, caps, shielding: approx. 35
New bridge (not 100% necessary, imo): 75
Tuners (I can neither confirm or deny that the MIM tuners are "better," I think you would have to decide over time): 100
Sandpaper and sealer for the neck: approx. 20

Total invested: 570, for a bass that plays and sounds like it cost 200 or 300 more.



Tl;dr: MIM Fenders are NOT bad, especially on the used market. They are priced fairly. However, lower end Fenders are a good value if you can work on your own stuff.
 
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I have heard that they put laminate tops/backs on much of the Mexican stuff to cover up the fact they use ~ 8 piece bodies. They know that ppl know how to check for the number of pieces used otherwise.
My MIM jazz bass has a one piece body. The sunburst finish is great. I can't speak for the solid coloured bodies.

The neck is flawless. It came stock with a bone nut (not plastic), CTS pots, but ceramic pickups. I replaced the p/ups with the Fender vintage pickups and the bass sounds fantastic.
 
They're not bad. I just wish Fender as a whole would do a better job of shielding their instruments.

Fun fact: The MIM Standards/Players have better shielding than the more expensive Classic series basses. In fact, they have better shielding than ANY of the American Vintage line.

I know this isn’t news to anyone that is familiar with either line and the logic is that the original basses that they mimic didn’t have today’s production model shielding either, but I thought it might be interesting to the folks that might be new to Fender, and don’t equate “period correctness” with value.
 
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I have over 20 basses, all styles, makes, country of origins.

My absolute favorite bass is a mid 90's MIM, which were "supposed" to be some of the worst years they were produced. (Yes mines modded, but nothing I haven't done to other basses) I've played roadworn mim jazzes, flea sig mim basses, and the newer mim p basses. All are very good basses that played great in stock form. Every bass is an individual instrument with its own feel and voice. Mim basses are respected from my standpoint.
 
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Which part of the statement is false, that they use multi piece bodies, or using laminates to conceal it?

99.999% of all fender body are 2 or 3 pieces. There were "foto flame" finishes in the 90's, which were never intended to fool anyone.
I have seen and played many Fender basses since 1963, when I started playing. What the post describes is something I have never seen.
 
I just got a beautiful MIM with hardshell case at a good price. Guy who had it before took care of it and it was set up properly.

As for new, I have played both good and bad ones. The same cwn be said for MIAs as well. I am throwing in some Seymour Duncans and high mass bridge in mine and good to go.
 
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