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Why MIM Fenders are bad?

Do you think MIM Fenders are overall bad?

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I believe the Cort C4 has mini humbuckers which could account for the lack of hum. The cool thing about these basses is the Markbass preamp built in. It is a top-notch preamp and this preamp alone has caused me to add this bass to my GAS list.

The best way to think of a preamp on a bass is to think of it as a tone shaping tool built right into the bass. Even a cheap preamp will give you a nice tool to better shape the tone you want before it leaves the bass. The pickups can either be passive, meaning they are not powered or they can be active which means the pickups are powered.

An active bass has pickups that are powered by batteries. EMG is one of the top active pickup manufacturers. Active pickups tend to have more gain and sustain but might sound a little digital and flat to some people. Active pickup basses almost always come with some sort of preamp or tone shaping. I have only had one bass with active pickups and it was loud and had lots of gain. I regret letting it go but if I kept every bass I ever owned by kids would need to find new accommodations...

My Cort is not the current model, it has bass, treble boost and cut, pup balance and mid frequency switch, it's not markbass preamp. (its missing a switch from active/passive). It needs a 9V battery.
The pickups are Mighty mite soapbars.
I wouldn't say its a very loud bass, it's pretty average.
That's really all the info I can give on this bass cos its discontinued its not showed on the website.

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Either way it's a bass for life!
 
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My Cort is not the current model, it has bass, treble boost and cut, pup balance and mid frequency switch, it's not markbass preamp. (its missing a switch from active/passive). It needs a 9V battery.
The pickups are Mighty mite soapbars.
I wouldn't say its a very loud bass, it's pretty average.
That's really all the info I can give on this bass cos its discontinued its not showed on the website.

View attachment 3184195 Either way it's a bass for life!
I am not familiar with the older model but if it's anything like the newer one I have no doubt it's a bass for life.
 
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I rest my case!! I can't say enough good things about MIM basses. I wouldnt waste my money on an american when the Geddy is all I need and more in a bass!

Yes, there are some duds out there but the good ones are absolute GEMS!

IMO the flea is a bit pricy for a Mex but it is cracking bass!
Also the Geddy is cheaper but IMO the better bass. Different sounds and feels, as it's a 60s jazz against a 70s jazz, so it's all down to what u prefer and the music you play.
 
I keep seeing posts here and in other forums criticising MIM Fenders about different aspects.

...
  1. How does someone find a good MIM Fender?
  2. What actually is better/worse? Is it the build quality? Is it the wood quality? Is it only the tone? Is it the workmanship? Is there a secret serial number to be deciphered on the good ones (lol)?
  3. How much do these aspects differ amongst these basses (same design, different series/brand)? For example, maybe the wood is far superior in MIAs but what about the electronics?
  4. Is there really a huge gap between the good and bad MIMs or is it exaggerated? How much can two MIMs be different?
  5. Lets say that you ordered one online, do you think that its pure luck to actually get a good MIM? Or is it your bad luck that you got an exceptionally bad one? What are the odds of ending up with a bad one when picking blindly?
  6. Finally, what are your opinions about the latest (2018) MIM Fenders.
I know that there are people who are going to say that 'go try before you buy' and they are right. But what I want to know is your personal experiences when you went out to try these. Musicians here have probably tried thousands of basses in total which is more than I will ever see in my life. I am aware that it is always better to try yourself if you can.

I've been playing bass for over 20 years and I've played, owned and borrowed all makes and models of different basses. The MIM basses that I own I absolutely love. My main two gigging instruments for the better part of my time playing have been MIM basses, although they are former shadows of what they started out as.

While MIMs used to be a much better value, IMO, compared to what they are today, there are still some great values built into some of them. I'm not as big of a fan of the newer basic model MIMs because I feel that they don't justify the price anymore. When the basic models used to go for between $300-400, they were a killer value, I got my 96 MIM used for about $150 and it's been my main bass for nearly 20 years! These days, they're just too expensive for what they offer. I feel like a lot of the import companies offer much more value per dollar on a sheet of paper than the basic MIM models do. I'd much rather get a Sire, G&L Tribute, Lakland Skyline or higher end Squier for the cost than a basic model MIM.

To give you an example of my experience: about 3 years ago the new Sterling stingray copies came out and I walked into a GC with cash in hand to buy a new Fender Deluxe MIM P-Bass (seafoam green, maple neck with black block inlays, himass bridge and active PJ pups!). After spending some time with the bass in the store and messing around on a handful of other basses in the story, I gave the Sterling Ray a try. I was absolutely floored by the fact that this low cost import licensed Stingray played just as well as and had workmanship that was easily on par with the much more expensive MIM Deluxe bass. I weighed some of my options and took home the Sub Ray. I haven't looked back since. The Sub Ray got me over my Fender-lust because it made me realize that the value isn't there anymore for MIM Fenders.

There's a lot of "try before you buy" advice out there, and I completely agree with it. You might try out a basic model MIM and absolutely fall in love with it, but for the cost of a MIM Fender you can get something so much more robust and versatile. If I start aching for a 70's inlay neck on a Pbass again, I'll just get a Squier I've decided. There's nothing inherently bad about the MIM Fender basses, they're just dinosaurs in a human's world these days.

As far as American made Fenders go: They've always been a crapshoot as for whether or not they'll actually out perform a MIM bass for me. I got a MIM Deluxe back in 2002 that was clearly made using mostly American parts. The only parts on the bass that actually fit "Mexican" specs at the time were the pick guard, pots and tuners, everything else on it was American spec. That made me very wary of the value of MIA Fenders outside of the higher end range. When I got my MIJ Mustang and it outplayed my original Musicmaster and had better fit and finish than my MIA Jazz, I dropped my MIA Jazz and Musicmaster on Ebay pretty fast. I miss the MIJ Mustang... sad. I wanted a super versatile gigging bass that would do just about any sound that I could muster out of it and I started digging around for a Fender MIA Deluxe P with the active humbucker pups, figuring it would be a versatility monster and just be baller. I ended buying a MIK G&L Tribute L2000 that did everything and anything under the sun, except look the way I wanted it to for less than half the price of the MIA Deluxe. (God, I miss that bass...). And when five string fever came calling, I started my search with Fender Deluxe 5 string models and EB Musicman basses, I ended up with an MIK Ibanez SR505 because it was less than half the price of the EB and Fenders and has way more range of tone.

MIM and MIA Fenders aren't inherently bad instruments. After 20 years of experience and owning a huge array of basses, MIM and MIA Fenders just don't offer any value for myself. Yeah, my two mains are 02 and 96 MIM P-basses, but they're hardly stock and they're the two basses that have remained in my stable through thick and thin.

TL;DR: I've been around Fender basses for a long time, I just don't think they're a good value with the improvements in the import market and the fact that Fender prices remain relatively high for fewer features.
 
Are you arguing that they're a poor value because they're not one piece bodies?


Nope! I loved my MIM Jazz. Best bass neck I ever played.

The pictures are absolutely not a comment on the quality or value. Just a rebuttal to the other comment that said they weren't multi-piece bodies.

Some of them are, This one is a 2006 model, but it doesn't make them bad. This bass was quite heavy so the neck is now on a basswood P-Bass body.
 
Nope! I loved my MIM Jazz. Best bass neck I ever played.

The pictures are absolutely not a comment on the quality or value. Just a rebuttal to the other comment that said they weren't multi-piece bodies.

Some of them are, This one is a 2006 model, but it doesn't make them bad. This bass was quite heavy so the neck is now on a basswood P-Bass body.
Sorry, misread that. My bad. Yeah, my 02 is clearly a three piece body, you can tell even under a black poly finish. My purple 96, you can't. They vary so much from one example to another.
 
Sorry, misread that. My bad. Yeah, my 02 is clearly a three piece body, you can tell even under a black poly finish. My purple 96, you can't. They vary so much from one example to another.


They definitely vary a lot.

I believe the multi-piece bodies are from a period where Fender stated the bodies used the "same wood" as the USA models.

Which is true, but it's just the off cuts! :roflmao:
 
They definitely vary a lot.

I believe the multi-piece bodies are from a period where Fender stated the bodies used the "same wood" as the USA models.

Which is true, but it's just the off cuts! :roflmao:
My 02 is a deluxe and actually used an American body. The giveaway was that it was cut for a bridge jazz pup, not a generic jazz pup like they supposedly had in the MIM deluxes of that era. Low and behold, it had an American neck jazz pup in that slot! Dead space on the sides in the wood and all. The thing clearly had American parts used in its build.
 
My 02 is a deluxe and actually used an American body. The giveaway was that it was cut for a bridge jazz pup, not a generic jazz pup like they supposedly had in the MIM deluxes of that era. Low and behold, it had an American neck jazz pup in that slot! Dead space on the sides in the wood and all. The thing clearly had American parts used in its build.

I've read (Read as: this might be untrue) that up until '05/'06 the MIM necks were CNC'd in the Cali, USA factory and simply sent to the Ensenada factory for finishing.

How true this is I'm not sure, but I could believe them using some USA parts.
 
They definitely vary a lot.

I believe the multi-piece bodies are from a period where Fender stated the bodies used the "same wood" as the USA models.

Which is true, but it's just the off cuts! :roflmao:
My MIM pj is a multi piece body, and it was made in 2015. The top is one piece and the back is obviously 3 different pieces of wood, so they still do this. I personally do not think this is an issue on a bass that costs less than a grand. If I paid for an $1800 MIA p bass and found out the body was more than 2 bookmatched pieces it might be a different story.
 
I've read (Read as: this might be untrue) that up until '05/'06 the MIM necks were CNC'd in the Cali, USA factory and simply sent to the Ensenada factory for finishing.

How true this is I'm not sure, but I could believe them using some USA parts.
I know my 96 and a couple of mod 90's I had the pleasure to know had necks that felt nothing like the MIA counterparts of their era. My 02's neck sure matched perfectly up to the MIA necks of it's era, though. A few players in bands I shared the stage with had MIM jazzes back then and the necks felt chunkier than the MIA ones. They may have just done it for the Deluxe line. (I'm referring to Jbasses because the Deluxe P used a Jazz neck)
 
I've been playing bass for over 20 years and I've played, owned and borrowed all makes and models of different basses. The MIM basses that I own I absolutely love. My main two gigging instruments for the better part of my time playing have been MIM basses, although they are former shadows of what they started out as.

While MIMs used to be a much better value, IMO, compared to what they are today, there are still some great values built into some of them. I'm not as big of a fan of the newer basic model MIMs because I feel that they don't justify the price anymore. When the basic models used to go for between $300-400, they were a killer value, I got my 96 MIM used for about $150 and it's been my main bass for nearly 20 years! These days, they're just too expensive for what they offer. I feel like a lot of the import companies offer much more value per dollar on a sheet of paper than the basic MIM models do. I'd much rather get a Sire, G&L Tribute, Lakland Skyline or higher end Squier for the cost than a basic model MIM.

To give you an example of my experience: about 3 years ago the new Sterling stingray copies came out and I walked into a GC with cash in hand to buy a new Fender Deluxe MIM P-Bass (seafoam green, maple neck with black block inlays, himass bridge and active PJ pups!). After spending some time with the bass in the store and messing around on a handful of other basses in the story, I gave the Sterling Ray a try. I was absolutely floored by the fact that this low cost import licensed Stingray played just as well as and had workmanship that was easily on par with the much more expensive MIM Deluxe bass. I weighed some of my options and took home the Sub Ray. I haven't looked back since. The Sub Ray got me over my Fender-lust because it made me realize that the value isn't there anymore for MIM Fenders.

There's a lot of "try before you buy" advice out there, and I completely agree with it. You might try out a basic model MIM and absolutely fall in love with it, but for the cost of a MIM Fender you can get something so much more robust and versatile. If I start aching for a 70's inlay neck on a Pbass again, I'll just get a Squier I've decided. There's nothing inherently bad about the MIM Fender basses, they're just dinosaurs in a human's world these days.

As far as American made Fenders go: They've always been a crapshoot as for whether or not they'll actually out perform a MIM bass for me. I got a MIM Deluxe back in 2002 that was clearly made using mostly American parts. The only parts on the bass that actually fit "Mexican" specs at the time were the pick guard, pots and tuners, everything else on it was American spec. That made me very wary of the value of MIA Fenders outside of the higher end range. When I got my MIJ Mustang and it outplayed my original Musicmaster and had better fit and finish than my MIA Jazz, I dropped my MIA Jazz and Musicmaster on Ebay pretty fast. I miss the MIJ Mustang... sad. I wanted a super versatile gigging bass that would do just about any sound that I could muster out of it and I started digging around for a Fender MIA Deluxe P with the active humbucker pups, figuring it would be a versatility monster and just be baller. I ended buying a MIK G&L Tribute L2000 that did everything and anything under the sun, except look the way I wanted it to for less than half the price of the MIA Deluxe. (God, I miss that bass...). And when five string fever came calling, I started my search with Fender Deluxe 5 string models and EB Musicman basses, I ended up with an MIK Ibanez SR505 because it was less than half the price of the EB and Fenders and has way more range of tone.

MIM and MIA Fenders aren't inherently bad instruments. After 20 years of experience and owning a huge array of basses, MIM and MIA Fenders just don't offer any value for myself. Yeah, my two mains are 02 and 96 MIM P-basses, but they're hardly stock and they're the two basses that have remained in my stable through thick and thin.

TL;DR: I've been around Fender basses for a long time, I just don't think they're a good value with the improvements in the import market and the fact that Fender prices remain relatively high for fewer features.
I disagree with most of this post. I think the recent offerings from Fender across the board, especially the most recent models are very good quality and a good value top to bottom. I also think they are relatively better than whatever Fender was offering at any time during the '90s, again across the board (MIM or MIA) IMHO, YMMV and all that gobbledeygook.

I am a big Lakland Skyline fan and do agree that they are great examples of the stuff coming out of Asia along with others mentioned. But I don't see them as superior to the Fender stuff, just different. I prefer my Lakland Indo 5 strings over anything Fender has in a 5er, but that has more to do with design than quality or value.
 
So, prior to 2000, the instruments coming out of Fenders Mexican operation did tend to be of inferior quality, and have fundamental construction / design issues. For example, IIRC, the pre 2000 MIM Jazz Basses had single coil pickups wound in the same direction; so that they had 60 Hz noise in all pan positions. And, bad frets. Stuff like that.

Then in 2000, the quality made a quantum leap, and the instruments coming out of the Mexican factory quickly became legit budget players. I recall walking out of our local music shop in mid-2000 with an awesome fretless MIM Jazz Bass for $200 OTD. Even my wife was happy about it. I still have the neck; though it is currently in storage.

And, the Mexican operation never looked back, producing some very nice instruments, such as the 60's line. They are still more budget conscious instruments and use economy level hardware. But, there have been some some very respectable player basses produced. Props to Fender.