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Why not relax?

I once played “Teen Town” for a jury exam. I was not up to speed then and I have never nailed that tune the way it should be nailed. I realized a while back, however, that I’m just not a Jaco-type player. And speed is not something that comes easily to me nor is it something I’m particularly driven to improve. I’m not a great soloist and my chops aren’t going to blow anyone’s mind. But I listen well and I can make things work in a band setting. Right now I’m just enjoying refining the basics of good time and accuracy (a never ending pursuit I should think) and getting better on upright.

I think it‘s important to figure out what kind of player you really are at heart and to accept that - and then run with it. A lot of my bass heroes, it turns out, are not shredders. :)

Funk is my foundation and Rock comes second. Gospel is music I started learning around 33. I have always loved groovers and virtuosos. A lot of grooving does require next level chops. The recently departed Rocco Prestia showed that and maybe my favorite bassist, are proof that chops can really allow a player to establish a superior groove.
 
Funk is my foundation and Rock comes second. Gospel is music I started learning around 33. I have always loved groovers and virtuosos. A lot of grooving does require next level chops. The recently departed Rocco Prestia showed that and maybe my favorite bassist, are proof that chops can really allow a player to establish a superior groove.
Sure, it just depends on what kind of chops you’re talking about and what kind of groove. To me Meshell (to use an example of a player we both love) is not a “chopsy” bassist in the way that virtuosos generally are, but she doesn’t need to be and her groove is second to none.
 
Sure, it just depends on what kind of chops you’re talking about and what kind of groove. To me Meshell (to use an example of a player we both love) is not a “chopsy” bassist in the way that virtuosos generally are, but she doesn’t need to be and her groove is second to none.

For sure, Ninties MeShell was genius level Funk!
 
As I age and see more heroes and icons pass away, two things become apparent to me: most were not much older than me; and every last one of them made their mark while young. As an older guy who has played forever, but has gotten serious around 55, I cannot help but think that I am too old to ever become a legitimate shredder, and I simply do not believe I am that gifted. If I had great talent, it would have come out, given the amount I played.

My point is that I just find myself being more chill about my lessons and study. I suspect I will never be more that a church bassist except for an occasional gig elsewhere. I want to get better, but I am not going anywhere like a young player with ambition.

I also am really starting to feel goofy about buying more gear. I already know I have to cut back and reduce because my kids are in school, I also have no desire to pile up gear that is half used that my family then needs to sell after I die (one daughter is actually expressing more interest in bass, so maybe she will use my gear.)

Oh well, just some thoughts on my mind.


You be you, man. You’re the only one who can, and we all think you’re great. Enjoy yourself and keep the faith; you never know what good things can happen.

Much respect!
 
You be you, man. You’re the only one who can, and we all think you’re great. Enjoy yourself and keep the faith; you never know what good things can happen.

Much respect!

I always have a hard time with compliments for my videos because they are so full of errors in timing, resolving to the wrong note, and just plain mistakes. I do enjoy recording them, and seriously at peace with just being me. I just want to be an improving me.
 
I'll be 60 in December & have been getting paid to play bass/sing since I was 17.
"Virtuoso" has less & less meaning now then maybe years ago when I was more impressionable , it was easily replaced by working on being entertaining and have folks enjoy the show!
 
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I always have a hard time with compliments for my videos because they are so full of errors in timing, resolving to the wrong note, and just plain mistakes. I do enjoy recording them, and seriously at peace with just being me. I just want to be an improving me.
There are few of us here who are perfect. I made a few videos for pre-audition purposes a couple of years ago; they are ok. I cringe in a few spots when I watch them, but a lot of people wouldn't notice the cringey stuff.

I hear you on the acceptance thing. When I was younger, music was my livelihood; I was not particularly skilled or proficient but lucky to have a good ear and to have fallen in with some pros who accepted my limitations and gave me the opportunity to work with them. I left the lifestyle after about twelve years and didn't really return to music in a serious way until I was in my 50's. I do get the feeling that all of the opportunity is in the past, and there are times I wonder what on earth I'm doing this for. I think it's fine to lack ambition at this point.

Playing with others and performing are still fun things for me, but also can be fraught with unnecessary drama and disappointment. The longer I am away from my bands, the less I miss the negative stuff and the less inclined I am to invite it back into my life.

With the pandemic, most of my music time is about personal goals, and that's ok. I don't know if I'll ever get back up on stages like I used to do. That's ok too. Life is all about accepting what we can't change, and this pandemic, along with my advancing years, are two things I can't do much about.
 
As I age and see more heroes and icons pass away, two things become apparent to me: most were not much older than me; and every last one of them made their mark while young. As an older guy who has played forever, but has gotten serious around 55, I cannot help but think that I am too old to ever become a legitimate shredder, and I simply do not believe I am that gifted. If I had great talent, it would have come out, given the amount I played.

My point is that I just find myself being more chill about my lessons and study. I suspect I will never be more that a church bassist except for an occasional gig elsewhere. I want to get better, but I am not going anywhere like a young player with ambition.

I also am really starting to feel goofy about buying more gear. I already know I have to cut back and reduce because my kids are in school, I also have no desire to pile up gear that is half used that my family then needs to sell after I die (one daughter is actually expressing more interest in bass, so maybe she will use my gear.)

Oh well, just some thoughts on my mind.
I'm in the same boat doc, except I quit my church gig when my daughter graduated and went away to college (church was a thing she and I did exclusively for the music; when she left, I left too, kinda miss it, kinda don't).

Church gigs are awesome because of the regularity and (for me) the challenge of reading and playing music I would otherwise not touch. Also good networking and community with other musicians.

Anyway, I gave up on the rock star dream 30-some years ago, but I've never given up on being a musician. I can't imagine not playing something every day. And I only have to be good enough to express myself and not embarrass myself on stage.

I'm ok being a hobbiest (with a pro attitude), but I wasn't always comfortable with that.

I agree about the gear thing; I kind of need an intervention. But it's a clean hobby, not hurting anyone, so why not.

Keep making music, that's what musicians do. Always appreciate your posts here.
 
I'm in the same boat doc, except I quit my church gig when my daughter graduated and went away to college (church was a thing she and I did exclusively for the music; when she left, I left too, kinda miss it, kinda don't).

Church gigs are awesome because of the regularity and (for me) the challenge of reading and playing music I would otherwise not touch. Also good networking and community with other musicians.

Anyway, I gave up on the rock star dream 30-some years ago, but I've never given up on being a musician. I can't imagine not playing something every day. And I only have to be good enough to express myself and not embarrass myself on stage.

I'm ok being a hobbiest (with a pro attitude), but I wasn't always comfortable with that.

I agree about the gear thing; I kind of need an intervention. But it's a clean hobby, not hurting anyone, so why not.

Keep making music, that's what musicians do. Always appreciate your posts here.

Thank you.
 
DR Cheese, as we all know it takes 10,000 hours of practice to get really good. 3 hours a day for 10 years... basically... when you are a teen it is certainly easy to have the 3 hours a day. I stopped playing in my early 20s and picked up the bass again in my 40s. I normally gig 80-100 gigs a year but am pretty mediocre. I will never be amazing, but I will always be good enough. I stopped practicing in any organized way a long time ago. I learn the tunes I need for a gig and other than that, i rarely pick up my bass except at a gig. I have resigned myself long ago I would never be Stanley or Geddy. I am sure they sleep better at night knowing I am not trying to take there gig. I sleep better at night knowing they are not trying to take mine.
 
I always have a hard time with compliments for my videos because they are so full of errors in timing, resolving to the wrong note, and just plain mistakes. I do enjoy recording them, and seriously at peace with just being me. I just want to be an improving me.

Don't put yourself down. @38 I'm still learning new tricks myself, and while it's been less than a decade with bass, I had my first stringed instrument in my early teens. I also know playing music has a huge impact on my self-esteem and happiness. Personally, I'm often missing notes/timing if I don't have at least metronome, and even then I might need to repeat what I'm trying to play over and over again until I get comfortable with it.. But it's often surprising how much better I play with a solid beat. How often do you play to a click or a beat in your videos? Or in regular practice? And frankly.. the thing about music that drives me is the fact that it allows me to be creative. I'm not Jaco, I'm not Rocco, I'm not Victor Wooten, or Marcus Miller.. certainly not going to pull my hair out trying to learn their stuff, not to say I won't ever attempt it, but, still, I'd rather make my own.

These dudes started young... by the time they were my age they were going on 15-34 years of experience playing their instrument with real guidance and education that was not afforded to me. I can't read music like they can.. doubt I ever will. Given enough time I can learn something by ear. I know some scales, I know some chords.. I understand intervals and can for the most part hear them. I can hear when I'm out of tune or my intonation's way off. When i was a teen the first scale I learned was the blues scale, and I'm still to this day finding new ways to get creative within it, or shifting into pieces of the major scale, or harmonic minor. Add a fellow musician or two to that and they can influence new experiences as well.

A simple groove is still a groove.. and imo the most important aspect of music, is not how technical it is, how many notes, or how fast. It just has to sound good and be in time.

I'm not saying you should aspire to be anything more than what you're doing.. but you can still give it a shot if you want to. You can still pick up one of your many basses anytime you're watching TV and work on your chops. You've likely got more than enough gear, sure. You got a bass for each day of the week afaik.. but how much you play and what you do with it, your fingers still work and you ain't dead yet man.

Don't take this as me telling you what to do or anything... but your posts on TB demonstrate a passion for the instrument. IMO, no need to aim for being a shredder.. just do what works for you, pick the things up and play them whenever you aren't doing anything else and your health allows for it.. make some music. :)

Today I wrote my first slap line.. I have been trying to figure out how to slap for years and I'm finally making headway. I'm going to start incorporating some 8 finger tapping as well the way I know how. Mixing up scales and arpeggios to a beat, whether it's in my head, from a machine, or from my drummer.

Anyway.. if anything with this post I hope I've offered some encouragement to you or anybody who might look for it. You are right though. Relax.. have fun.. it's not a competition. It's personal growth imo.
 
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I got over not "making it" long ago. I didn't care for life on the road and that's part & parcel of getting there.

I'm fortunate that I get to play quite a bit with good musicians, more so before covid, but things are starting to pick up again.
Our band seldom travels anywhere and it's usually just a weekend now and then.

I raised my kids and currently raising 2 grandkids so I'm needed here.

Having a home and family beats any life I could've had elsewhere. This is my success and I wouldn't trade it if I could.
 
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I wouldn't worry about being a shredder at all if I were you. Quite honestly there is very little musicality in it (technical playing) IMHO, of course there are some exceptions, but chops for chops sake is an athletic approach not a musical approach.

Over the years of playing with musicians that have super great technique I (will eventually) find that most of them are lacking in other aspects of music, such as phrasing, dynamics, time feel, listening and interplay. I held auditions for a guitar player and the one I chose was most not the most technically efficient, but could groove, played in a complimentary fashion and had an openness about him, while one of the guitar players that I said no to is one that had his own guitar schools, can play a million notes, but he didn't allow enough room for the singer to sing the songs, had a dynamically flat sound (some would call it even, I call it boring), basically played in a way that would only impress teenage boys of the '80's.

A great musician has balance, Oscar Peterson for example he had great chops, but he also could swing, was lyrical with his phrasing, listened and reacted to those he played with and had a huge vocabulary to draw from, his chops did not come at the expense of his musicality, but were a byproduct of his intense musical study. That for me is the goal, balancing the components of musicianship with my technical ability to realize musical ideas. Have something to say and the vocabulary to say it, rather than as James Brown would say Talking Loud and Saying Nothing.
 
As I age and see more heroes and icons pass away, two things become apparent to me: most were not much older than me; and every last one of them made their mark while young. As an older guy who has played forever, but has gotten serious around 55, I cannot help but think that I am too old to ever become a legitimate shredder, and I simply do not believe I am that gifted. If I had great talent, it would have come out, given the amount I played.

My point is that I just find myself being more chill about my lessons and study. I suspect I will never be more that a church bassist except for an occasional gig elsewhere. I want to get better, but I am not going anywhere like a young player with ambition.

I also am really starting to feel goofy about buying more gear. I already know I have to cut back and reduce because my kids are in school, I also have no desire to pile up gear that is half used that my family then needs to sell after I die (one daughter is actually expressing more interest in bass, so maybe she will use my gear.)

Oh well, just some thoughts on my mind.
I'm getting up there. I play for pleasure at home and with a couple friends sometimes. I won't ever be a rock star. And I'm ok with that.
 

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