Here's the Times database:
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/refer...ions/w/wikileaks/index.html?offset=0&s=newest
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/refer...ions/w/wikileaks/index.html?offset=0&s=newest
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WikiLeaks.
- Thread starter Deluge Of Sound
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The guy isn't even a "journalist". He never studied it, and never worked for any news organisation.
He was a computer hacker in his youth.
He gets called a journalist because a few organisations put him up (and he won) some journalism awards.
I can post news on the interwebs too but does that make me a journalist?
Fortunately you're right. It's been hilarious to watch from inside the intelligence community. Some documents sorta allude to some stuff I know about, but it's still not even close.
The published diplomatic cables on the other hand certainly are damaging to our foreign relations. We're fortunate that most nations just view Julian Assange and Wikileaks as some rouge A-hole and really don't put much stock in him or his "leaks", but that's partially thanks to good damage control on our part. Still, there will be a diplomatic impact in the long term, particularly with some not so friendly nations (you know, enemies).
It's funny that you quote the sinking of the USS Maine in your pictorial. We're talking about an incident that sparked a war as a result of rampant yellow journalism. The Spanish didn't sink the Maine. A boiler explosion did, but you'd never know by reading the news papers of the day. Are we going to have another incident as a result of irresponsible "journalism"? We'll see.
The USS Maine thing was a bit of fun, I'll admit. 
And it looks like its that time of year again...
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More Nixon Tapes!
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And it looks like its that time of year again...
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More Nixon Tapes!
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Intel collection isn't just uncovering hard data and getting the complete picture from several related sources. Much of it is collecting seemingly unrelated and random pieces which may form a whole picture that could be of use to the enemy. This is how Wikileaks can be dangerous to our national security and be useful to our enemies.
It's startling that there are people condemning this site without actually bothering their arse to check what it contains, blindly going along with hearsay without having a clue what it is they're disparaging.
Things like erasing the DNS records aren't going to stop anyone with even a basic understanding to computing, it's just censorship for the masses.
Things like erasing the DNS records aren't going to stop anyone with even a basic understanding to computing, it's just censorship for the masses.
I'm with you ADbassman, 100 percent. I always find it puzzling that many Americans can criticize our US government (freely and safely) and not appreciate the basic freedom our military provides for them to do so. I know the scene in a Few Good Men about Sleeping under the blanket of security they (Marines) provide , but can't remember it word for word; but anyone who has seen the film will remember and get the point.
Anything that puts our soldiers at risk WHILE THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR US is wrong- Wikileaks is harmful for those brave soldiers; it puts them in harm's way.
If the world was run by Barney the purple dinosaur then maybe we wouldn't need the military, but (unfortunately) it is not and I don't need to know every little secret about countries 4,000 miles away.
Let me be sure I understand what you are saying. Are you arguing that it is disrespectful, or even unpatriotic, to criticize the US government or military? I don't see any argument to support that to be perfectly honest. After all, it is the US constitution, not the military, that PROVIDES our freedoms. The military MAY SOMETIMES serve to protect that right, but that is a very different thing. But lets not kid ourselves, every military operation is most assuredly not to protect the freedoms of US citizens.
And why should we not criticize the government or *gasp* the military? Are they not men like you and me? It astounds me that so many can look upon the military as some sort of infallible organ. Criticism is not disrespect. Besides, the military are not the only ones at work defending our rights, I defend them every day by exercising my rights and being open with them. If it were not for those who did so over two centuries ago there would be no United States. Society and culture are not built on the backs of military alone.
Just to clarify, I have no grudges against the military. My grandfather served in WWII, and I have numerous family members and childhood friends who joined the military. I just believe that stopping criticism is the first step to a failed republic.
And on topic, I have never visited the site so I was wondering if there were no major concerns with the authenticity and integrity of the documents they provide?
I wouldn't be surprised if they used wikileaks as an excuse to try and censor/remove some websites. OH WAIT!
If you want to keep a secret, don't tell anyone 
Sure, some information should be classified, however there is no way of deciding what should and should not and what the people have a "right to know".
So it has to go one way or the other, overly censored, or not censored enough. I personally prefer the latter, but that is just my opinion.
Sure, some information should be classified, however there is no way of deciding what should and should not and what the people have a "right to know".
So it has to go one way or the other, overly censored, or not censored enough. I personally prefer the latter, but that is just my opinion.
Which probably makes him more qualified than the vast majority of journalists out there.
Yes, but all too often historically that reason has had nothing to do with national security.
See the Pentagon Papers for an example.
Well that is quite a whitewashing of the governments role.
Lets just say the government knew the Maine was sunk by a boiler explosion, and intentionally supported those "yellow journalists" in their lies.
Where do you think this country would be with no military?
Our military has won us our right to criticize our military
I guess we're saying sort of the same thing, however in my case, I just find it greatly annoying to hear someone disparage our military. I wouldn't call it unpatriotic, more so just ignorant but that's really just IMO.
Where do you think this country would be with no military?
Our military has won us our right to criticize our military
I guess we're saying sort of the same thing, however in my case, I just find it greatly annoying to hear someone disparage our military. I wouldn't call it unpatriotic, more so just ignorant but that's really just IMO.
Thanks Relic, you stated what I was trying to say but more to the point. I believe in questioning authority, but the soldiers don't make the polices; just doing the job they are required to do. I should have made that clear in my prior post. As I get older I grow more and more appreciation for those who sacrifice for us.
They're only redacted to protect personal lives.
Wikileaks also offered the DoD to make an additional review of the cables with that goal in mind. The answer was just a press release saying "F you".
This thread is still going?
The problem I have with WikiLeaks is that, owing to my ADD, I'll never live long enough to sift through or read all these documents! But if I can't sleep at night and need a good sedative... 
I am a big fan of open and free speech, even if I don't agree with what is being said. And I don't see how WikiLeaks is the issue? I am not 100% sure but I am pretty sure that this information is being provided and not stolen. So if Operation Fly the Coup is being compromised because of WikiLeaks,the bigger issue is why, and who is leaking the info. Focus on them. And based on the reactions of certain people in politics, watching them flip out and call for murder/Assassination of the head of WikiLeaks only re-enforces the idea that these people have a lot to hide. And it also builds WikiLeaks credibility. I'm sorry but when someone is in a public office, their political moves need to be fair game. I don't want to know personal details about these people in politics, but if they make a move politically and secretively I think its fair game.
Besides everyone's security ( mainly speaking about the USA ) is being compromised by poor leadership and bad Domestic and Foreign policy. I'm not saying everything the US does is wrong or bad, but I think many can make the argument that we are heading down the wrong path starting 10 years ago ( Even well before that, but it seems to have been getting worse in the last 10 years). Trying to keep it neutral considering I am someone the middle of Red and Blue.
