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Willcox Bass Club (Lightwave)

Hi Guys,

I am now the proud owner of a 5 string fretted Saber in a natural finish! I love this thing!!

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Nice. Can't see the grain from the reflection, but some of these have truly stunning grain. I have a Saber-VL5 fretless with natural finish and a fretted Saber-SL5 in blue. Great instruments. I have my fretless strung with Acoustic Bronze Phosphor strings. It sounds like no other instrument.
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Nice. Can't see the grain from the reflection, but some of these have truly stunning grain. I have a Saber-VL5 fretless with natural finish and a fretted Saber-SL5 in blue. Great instruments. I have my fretless strung with Acoustic Bronze Phosphor strings. It sounds like no other instrument.View attachment 4129128

I will admit to gently stroking the bass and whispering to it.

The finish is beautiful and the fretboard is so cool too. It was really hard to choose between the different finishes. This is the most unique sounding bass I own, the preamp is great.

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I will admit to gently stroking the bass and whispering to it.

The finish is beautiful and the fretboard is so cool too. It was really hard to choose between the different finishes. This is the most unique sounding bass I own, the preamp is great.

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I love my 5 string Saber SL.
I bought it used online. It seems a little unusual in the woods and styling detail like the model has had some revisions along the way. Lots of variations over time in the model line.
I’ve spoken to Mr Wilcox on the phone a couple of times. Cool guy.
Welcome to the family JT.
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New Lightwave owner here... have done some rapid string-swapping as I didn't like the rounds it arrived with, ended up with La Bella LTFs which are perfect. The weird thing is when I tried TI Jazz Flats - ok I only tried the B - it sounded totally weird and not in a good way... anyone using TIJFs on a Lightwave?
 
New Lightwave owner here... have done some rapid string-swapping as I didn't like the rounds it arrived with, ended up with La Bella LTFs which are perfect. The weird thing is when I tried TI Jazz Flats - ok I only tried the B - it sounded totally weird and not in a good way... anyone using TIJFs on a Lightwave?

Sweet bass. Is that a custom shop or are they making factory fretless without lines now?

I have TIJF's on my Portamento, but haven't ever tried them on my Lightwave. I have a SaberVL fretless. My favorite strings on it that I have tried so far are the Bronze Phosphur D'Addario strings that are on there now.

I assume that you readjusted the sensors on every string change? If you put new strings on and didn't adjust the sensors, the sensor might not be hitting the string where it should and you will not be getting the best of tone.

Setup takes a little longer on a lightwave bass just because for a proper setup, each sensor should be reset.
 
Sweet bass. Is that a custom shop or are they making factory fretless without lines now?

I have TIJF's on my Portamento, but haven't ever tried them on my Lightwave. I have a SaberVL fretless. My favorite strings on it that I have tried so far are the Bronze Phosphur D'Addario strings that are on there now.

I assume that you readjusted the sensors on every string change? If you put new strings on and didn't adjust the sensors, the sensor might not be hitting the string where it should and you will not be getting the best of tone.

Setup takes a little longer on a lightwave bass just because for a proper setup, each sensor should be reset.

It's a Custom Shop VL5, super happy with it. I'm down with the optical sensor adjustment and do it with the electronic procedure rather than by ear. It is sounding very nice with the La Bellas. My best guess is the TIJF B string has a slightly loose exterior winding and that was affecting the optical sensor.
 
It's a Custom Shop VL5, super happy with it. I'm down with the optical sensor adjustment and do it with the electronic procedure rather than by ear. It is sounding very nice with the La Bellas. My best guess is the TIJF B string has a slightly loose exterior winding and that was affecting the optical sensor.

Very strange. Never have a I heard a bad thing about TIJF strings, but like anything else, some like them and some don't. Maybe you got a bad string.

For me, I tend to think that each bass that I own has a voice of its own and with that voice needs matching strings that really make it sing. Every bass that I have had gets many different strings tested on it before I feel that it has the right strings. I am not a string brand loyalist.

My fretted SL5 went through several different sets of strings until I settled back on the Dean Markley that it shipped with. To me those strings really work with that bass. With the VL5, I bought it used and it had some fairly pricey LaBellas on it that I tried to love, but couldn't. Didn't like the Dean Markleys on that bass, tried D'Addario chromes, nope. SIT... Nope. On a whim, I threw on some Bronze Phosphor that I had extra for my Michael Kelly Dragonfly and those are now my favorite on the VL5 fretless. Tone is very very bright. If you are liking flats, probably not a good choice for you. But I like them. They have a lot of overtones and when I really dig it, it almost sounds like it is over-driving the preamp and I get this really nice distortion that almost sounds like a light distortion pedal.

Interestingly enough, I didn't like the Bronze Phosphor on the Michael Kelly and it has D'Addario black tapes on it. Wonderfully deep warm thumpy bass with those strings. :)

The only bass that I have that I haven't found the "Perfect" match strings (for me) is my Dingwall Combustion. I have tried two different Dingwall, Payson, and Kallium strings. They are all awesome. I think I just like new strings on that bass. They all sound good.
 
It's a Custom Shop VL5, super happy with it. I'm down with the optical sensor adjustment and do it with the electronic procedure rather than by ear. It is sounding very nice with the La Bellas. My best guess is the TIJF B string has a slightly loose exterior winding and that was affecting the optical sensor.

BTW, is that chambered? Mine has the cutaway that I really like. Do they still do that?

Is that a Pau Ferro fretboard? Very sharp.

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It's a Custom Shop VL5, super happy with it. I'm down with the optical sensor adjustment and do it with the electronic procedure rather than by ear. It is sounding very nice with the La Bellas. My best guess is the TIJF B string has a slightly loose exterior winding and that was affecting the optical sensor.

Congrats. I bought a fretless LW with MIDI and it tracks beautifully through my Roland VB-99. Enjoy.
 
I can't remember if I've posted here or not? I don't think so.

I was given a Lightwave project bass. It was missing the hardware and electronics, and was filthy. I cleaned it up, but unfortunately someone has sanded the fretboard. I'm not convinced that the neck actually goes to this body, as it has sone extra mounting holes and doesn't quite fit the pocket perfectly. I got the hardware and electronics from someone on here that was parting out a lightwave. Then I got distracted by other things and this has sat on a hanger.

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I can't remember if I've posted here or not? I don't think so.

I was given a Lightwave project bass. It was missing the hardware and electronics, and was filthy. I cleaned it up, but unfortunately someone has sanded the fretboard. I'm not convinced that the neck actually goes to this body, as it has sone extra mounting holes and doesn't quite fit the pocket perfectly. I got the hardware and electronics from someone on here that was parting out a lightwave. Then I got distracted by other things and this has sat on a hanger.

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That body shape is different than any that I have seen. This is likely an early model or a prototype. I have never personally seen an unlined fretless with a maple motherboard. All the fretless ones that are factory built today have lined fretboards and not maple. Custom shop models can be anything, but they didn't really spool up the custom shop until recently.

The headstock on there has the Lightwave logo, so it is likely an authentic Lightwave neck. Not sure why the neck pocket is not a good fit???

Possibilities...
This might be authentic but a neck and body from different basses?
Someone might have made a body for a Lightwave neck. The neck looks like what I would expect from a custom shop unlined fretless, but the body does not look like any that I have seen.

Is there a serial number on the back of the neck?

You might email Willcox with those photos. They are pretty helpful.

Do you have photos of the back?
 
That body shape is different than any that I have seen. This is likely an early model or a prototype. I have never personally seen an unlined fretless with a maple motherboard. All the fretless ones that are factory built today have lined fretboards and not maple. Custom shop models can be anything, but they didn't really spool up the custom shop until recently.

The headstock on there has the Lightwave logo, so it is likely an authentic Lightwave neck. Not sure why the neck pocket is not a good fit???

Possibilities...
This might be authentic but a neck and body from different basses?
Someone might have made a body for a Lightwave neck. The neck looks like what I would expect from a custom shop unlined fretless, but the body does not look like any that I have seen.

Is there a serial number on the back of the neck?

You might email Willcox with those photos. They are pretty helpful.

Do you have photos of the back?

From my research it is likely a very early instrument. I'm assuming the neck and body aren't original to each other. The body sure looks like a professionally made body. No serial numbers anywhere. Also, some of the hardware and electronics I got weren't an exact fit(I'm guessing that they are from a later model). I was unable to find any other unlined fretless necks with maple boards when I looked. Shame it's been sanded down, the maple is beautiful.

You can see the neck pocket fit in these pictures, and only one screw hole really lines up.

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From my research it is likely a very early instrument. I'm assuming the neck and body aren't original to each other. The body sure looks like a professionally made body. No serial numbers anywhere. Also, some of the hardware and electronics I got weren't an exact fit(I'm guessing that they are from a later model). I was unable to find any other unlined fretless necks with maple boards when I looked. Shame it's been sanded down, the maple is beautiful.

You can see the neck pocket fit in these pictures, and only one screw hole really lines up.

So, my guess is that the body is an early one or prototype. The neck is probably from a production model. That bolt pattern on the body doesn't look like my lightwave.

Here are two backs that I found on the internet. I think the first one is the same as mine and the second is brand new from Willcox Guitars website. Neither look like your pattern. I would call Willcox. They can be very helpful.

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Found a photo of my Lightwave Saber VL. This is a 5 string. I wonder if the 5 strings have more bolts?
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So, my guess is that the body is an early one or prototype. The neck is probably from a production model. That bolt pattern on the body doesn't look like my lightwave.

Here are two backs that I found on the internet. I think the first one is the same as mine and the second is brand new from Willcox Guitars website. Neither look like your pattern. I would call Willcox. They can be very helpful.

I think I will take some better pictures and get ahold of Wilcox. I'm curious to see what they say. In the meantime I'm trying to decide what to do with this bass. I've owned it for two years and I've never even heard it.
 
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Hi folks -
Dont have a lightwave yet but am going in to look at a used one today. I was hoping someone in the club could confirm that this model is a VL - the seller sometimes lists wrong models, and the picture is not so good.

Also is the string spacing on these usually 19mm at the bridge? Any advice about what in particular I should look for when going over it?

Any help would be appreciated -
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