Woolly M and or Clone THAT Temperamental

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by dharmashawn, Apr 16, 2012.

  1. dharmashawn

    dharmashawn Owner, Handlebar Moustache In Memoriam

    Oct 20, 2010
    Connecticut
    I just noticed that my WM clone does not even like my Boss TU-2 in front of it!! Does this sound right? I play passive and run this thing first anyway, but since flipping my B3 I needed to put this tuner back on.

    Now plugging in and out I can definitely hear some unhappiness when the tuner is before it. Obviously I will take it out of the chain; I am just wondering if anybody else has had a similar situation??
     
  2. MSUsousaphone

    MSUsousaphone

    Dec 4, 2009
    Lake Charles, La
    Endorsed Artist: Myco Pedals
    Are they in a daisy chain? Just wondering if adding the tuner to the line put you over mA. Otherwise, I have no clue.
     
  3. karter2000

    karter2000 Supporting Member

    Aug 21, 2005
    Nowhere land
    WM's, clones or otherwise do not like to be fed a buffered or low impedance signal, which is what most Boss pedals have as they use an output buffer. WMs only work well with a high impedance signal as from a passive bass. My WM clone has a small transformer on the input to mimic a pickup so that I can run buffered pedals before it.
     
  4. dharmashawn

    dharmashawn Owner, Handlebar Moustache In Memoriam

    Oct 20, 2010
    Connecticut
    Nope. PP2+

    But, You can really hear the WM react all unhappy like. Strange.


    side note: Ddyna Thinman is pretty FUN :hyper:
     
  5. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    Absolutely the Boss tuner WILL affect the WM, placed between the bass and the WM. Any active device, including a buffered bypass, will make your bass "not passive anymore" as far as the WM is concerned.
     
  6. MSUsousaphone

    MSUsousaphone

    Dec 4, 2009
    Lake Charles, La
    Endorsed Artist: Myco Pedals
    Ha. The WM is like the lovable but racist grandma of the pedal family.
     
  7. bongomania

    bongomania Supporting Member Commercial User

    Oct 17, 2005
    PDX, OR
    owner, OVNIFX and OVNILabs
    ...So go bass --> WM --> tuner, problem solved.
     
  8. dharmashawn

    dharmashawn Owner, Handlebar Moustache In Memoriam

    Oct 20, 2010
    Connecticut
    That's kind of what I figured, but never thought a bypassed tuner could have such horrible consequences
     
  9. DeltaPhoenix

    DeltaPhoenix Supporting Member

    Apr 6, 2011
    Gainesville,FL
    Lulz
     
  10. karter2000

    karter2000 Supporting Member

    Aug 21, 2005
    Nowhere land
    It's actually an easy thing to fix, if you want to do some DIYing. I used this article from Jack Orman on mine: Guitar Pickups Simulation. I didn't go as complicated as Jack's, I just used a small transformer similar to the one used in the article. I used the primary side, and one lead went to the input jack, and the outermost lead (not the middle) went to the input of the circuit. Seems to work great on my WM clone.
     
  11. Thanks a lot for sharing this information. It's really helpful to know that adding the transformer does fix these problems.
     
  12. G3Mitch

    G3Mitch

    Feb 8, 2011
    New Zealand
    Wow, did not know any of this. Probably why I absolutley HATED my WM clone.
    Is there a significant difference in sound? I've loaned mine out at the moment, but when I get it back, will give it another go.
     
  13. The WM is not the only pedal like that. The Fuzz Face and all of its millions clones hate buffers and active basses, too.
     
  14. G3Mitch

    G3Mitch

    Feb 8, 2011
    New Zealand
    My bass is passive, but I use 3 Boss pedals
     
  15. karter2000

    karter2000 Supporting Member

    Aug 21, 2005
    Nowhere land
    bigchiefbc is correct, the WM shares the same technology as the Fuzz Face, in where the first transistor is sensitive to input loading and impedance.
     
  16. dharmashawn

    dharmashawn Owner, Handlebar Moustache In Memoriam

    Oct 20, 2010
    Connecticut
    HELL YES!!!! Put her First and have fun:

    WM>Octamizer>Thinman OD>Frequency Centeral>Grinder>Xerograph>BDPG
     
  17. G3Mitch

    G3Mitch

    Feb 8, 2011
    New Zealand
    I've never even considered putting my tuner at the end of my chain......
    might this be an idea?? I always assumed the cleanest signal would get the most accurate tuning. A little off-topic...but sorta not....
     
  18. dharmashawn

    dharmashawn Owner, Handlebar Moustache In Memoriam

    Oct 20, 2010
    Connecticut
    Sh*t, find a way to be in tune as long as the WM is first.

    Having it at the end shouldn't change much as long as all the pedals in the mix are off.

    It's not like yr throwing a Fuzzed out Octave signal into the Tuner. You know?
     
  19. G3Mitch

    G3Mitch

    Feb 8, 2011
    New Zealand
    true that!
     
  20. The mastotron, while it doesn't fully meet the mammoth sound, gets close without any impedance troubles.

    Or, get a true bypass tuner. It can be in front without bothering the WM.