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#22
r379 said:
Well, no offense, either you understand the "Old Fender Thing" or you don't.
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Actually, I do. I started playing in 1973, my old bass teacher used to have 16 pre-CBS Fender ringed around his living room and they were all to die for, but IMO not worth refinancing my mortgage for, or spending my kids college money on. But hey, if you have $11k to blow on that thing, more power to you ;) . For that kind of money I could get any number of brand new top of the line basses (Sadowski comes to mind) and a brand new Ampeg, Eden, or SWR rig and still have plenty of money left over to make a down payment on a nice car to get to the gig with. :D
 
#23
bass_man86 said:
Actually, I do. I started playing in 1973, my old bass teacher used to have 16 pre-CBS Fender ringed around his living room and they were all to die for, but IMO not worth refinancing my mortgage for, or spending my kids college money on. But hey, if you have $11k to blow on that thing, more power to you ;) . For that kind of money I could get any number of brand new top of the line basses (Sadowski comes to mind) and a brand new Ampeg, Eden, or SWR rig and still have plenty of money left over to make a down payment on a nice car to get to the gig with. :D
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And some would rather have a piece of history to rock out on ;). I'd take that over a Sad & Ampeg/Eden/SWR rigs, cos IMO, I don't like their tones, haha. But to go beyond that, I'd trade all my current basses for it if I could.

Ray
 
#25
Puarija said:
Anyone notice the fact that this bass has mutes AND flats? I bet it sounds like total thud. I can't imagine there being any tone at all. Definitely no sustain!
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That's because Leo Fender originally intended his electric basses to sound like an upright, hence the flats, mute, and thumbrest on the treble side for anchoring your right hand fingers when thumb-plucking.

Puarija said:
You don't necessarily have to take out a policy specifically for an instrument. If you have a home, you can insure it on there.
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Hmm, are you sure about that? My instruments are covered by my home insurance, as long as they stay home. If I wanted to insure them for when I take them out, it would be an additionnal policy. For now, I've decided to take the risk to not insure them. :)
 
#28
Puarija said:
About the bass... it's awful sweet, but if I was a big fan of Fenders, I'd just get a Custom Shop Relic... be cheaper than the original 63 and a lot less risky to gig. :)

Anyone notice the fact that this bass has mutes AND flats? I bet it sounds like total thud. I can't imagine there being any tone at all. Definitely no sustain! Take the mutes off and throw some rounds on it and I bet it sounds pretty sweet though.

On an insurance note, I have all my gear insured on my parents' homeowner policy, including my basses, which are over $1500 each. You don't necessarily have to take out a policy specifically for an instrument. If you have a home, you can insure it on there. Just make a list of your gear and give it to your agent and have him/her add the stuff to your homeowner policy. I have everything on there... basses, guitars, amps, cabs, mics, cables, stands. Everything right down to the most meaningless miscellaneous accessories. I have around $6000 worth of stuff listed on there and it didn't increase the premium of the policy. Can't hurt to ask your agent about it. :)

Jake
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Insurance issues usually revolve around personal and professional use. Yes, your equipment is covered under your homeowners policy, in most cases. But if you disclose that your equipment was used for commercial (business/professional use - i.e. you got paid to play), your homeowners policy will usually not cover the equipment. Most companies have a musical instrument rider you can get. I have had one and it was not that expensive.

BTW - check your policies for jewelry coverage. Items upto about $1500 are covered without scheduling or appraisal. But if you have any pieces worth some $$$ then you need to get appraisals and list them on a jewelry rider. Make sure you update your appraisals regularly as most policies pay up to the last appraisal value. My wife just lost some diamond earrings and the company paid based on a 1993 appraisal. Replacement earrings were more $$ for the same quality.

My .02.

Eggman
 
#29
Yep, I'm with the other guy. I don't understand the idea behind spending over 10 grand for an old instrument like that. I have an old [probably older than '63] F-Hole acoustic make by K that should be worth a bunch then. But it isn't worth much. And neither should an early '60s Fender bass. The "....understanding the old Fender thing or you don't..." just doesn't cut it with me. I'd like to know WHY it is worth that much money when other basses or guitars from that era doesn't have that sort of 'worth' today.
 
#30
Because they're so rare. Its a sellers market, and allows massive price hikes. If you want one, you pay the price.

Look at a Lovetone Ringstinger, theres MAXIMUM $100 of parts in one of those but the routinely sell for $1000+ because theyre dicountinued and buyers want them - theyre rare, so theres competition.

Thats 'WHY'.... ok?
 
#31
There are several reasons for the high cost of vintage Fenders. One of the reasons is the history involved. Fenders were the mainstay of rock, blues, gospel, funk, jazz, etc. for years. Fender only made so many of those old basses and fewer of them exist now. Their rarity increases their value

Another is the playability and tone that has been a part of Fender basses. Whether everyone agrees on the desirability of those issues is another question but enough people do to make it part of the equation.

One more reason is that since they have become desirable, some folks who can afford them and want them because they are the "in" thing to have are buying so they can be "cool". One dealer of vintage instuments mentioned monied professionals (doctors, lawyers, etc.) who buy them for their "garage bands". They just gotta have the "best" so that they can show off for their friends.

Last are the collectors and those who buy them for their investment value. I kinda have a problem with these people because they are taking instruments out of circulation that might otherwise be used to make music and entertain audiences. All these things have conspired to drive the prices of vintage guitars and basses way through the roof. It's the law of supply and demand at work.
 
#32
Hmmm...okay the vintage thing has been done to death here. But for the eleventy millionth time, pre-CBS Fender bass guitars that are 100% original are extremely valuable to collectors and a select group of players willing and very able to part with the 11 large.

A bass, or any other inanimate object for that matter, is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay...not what you are willing to pay.

You would be wise to insure that bass for significantly more than 11 g's btw. You should insure something for it's replacement value, and that bass cannot be "replaced".

A homeowner's policy is NOT how you want to insure your musical instruments folks. Got a $5000 Fodera? Good luck getting full replacement value on that, especially if it's stolen at a gig that you're getting paid for. Even if they pay you can expect to have your homeowner's premiums increased significantly or your policy dropped completely.

I advise that you buy actual Musical Instrument Insurance from either MusicPro or Clarion. Your instruments are insured for the full replacement value, regardless of where or how the loss occured and whether or not you're a professional. I pay $100 a year for $13,000 worth of gear with MusicPro.
 
#33
Craig Garfinkel said:
I advise that you buy actual Musical Instrument Insurance from either MusicPro or Clarion. Your instruments are insured for the full replacement value, regardless of where or how the loss occured and whether or not you're a professional. I pay $100 a year for $13,000 worth of gear with MusicPro.
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it's worth it! (card carrying member since 2000)... I got burglarized last October and got the claim check back (less the deductable) 2 weeks from when I sent the claim in.
 
#34
I don't get paid to play, so I guess it's not an issue. But my homeowner policy covers my stuff no matter where it is. If it's in the house, it may get taken care of sooner, but regardless, it's covered.

Anyway, I wasn't claiming that your homeowner policy was the be-all end-all insurance for your gear. I was just bringing up the fact that most people have at least SOME coverage, even if they don't realize it.

Still, I might look into the MusicPro insurance... $100 a year isn't too bad.

Jake
 
#37
Craig Garfinkel said:
I advise that you buy actual Musical Instrument Insurance from either MusicPro or Clarion. Your instruments are insured for the full replacement value, regardless of where or how the loss occured and whether or not you're a professional. I pay $100 a year for $13,000 worth of gear with MusicPro.
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That is an excellent tip Craig, most appreciated, and wholly agree on your previous statements. I hate collectors, but you certainly cannot stop them from doing their thing. Still, I am one of those guys that cringes whenever I got an Hard Rock Cafe; all those instruments hanging from a wall collecting dust when they should be used to make music! Just seeing that drives me nuts! ;)
 
#38
Thank God I buy players and not collector pieces!!!! $11,000 would almost pay off my VW Passat! Insurance is tricky if you are putting it on a renters policy as oppossed to a homeowners policy, but taking it out to gigs changes everything.
 

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