810e at church...you don't see that very often!
You could easily place the typical FOH sound person in bypass mode...
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Worship Bass Pedalboards
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You could easily place the typical FOH sound person in bypass mode...
which is 50% of why my small board has a clean boost on it. There have been a few times I have been tempted to get a wireless just so I can get off the stage and hear myself properly at sound check so I can tweak my tone accordingly in the context of the whole band. - of course that would be straight up telling the sound person they don't have a clue. Hence I have not gotten the wireless. Some Sundays it's super tempting...
Speaking as a sound guy who also goes wireless when I play, I personally wouldn't look at it like you're telling me I don't have a clue. Your tone is your tone and you should be able to go monitor your tone in the house if you want to. When I'm behind the board, I'm there to make you sound good, but I would also be open to input by the musicians.
Often people forget that you and the sound tech are there for the same thing. If your tech doesn't suck, they'll work with you to make it sound great. Imho.
Half of it is attitude though. If my sound tech treats me like I'm clueless, imma be defensive. If I treat the sound tech like they're an idiot, then they will be defensive. Same team same desired outcome.
Not to mention most of the time people spend the time tuning the bedroom tone only to have it sit horribly in a mix haha
810e at church...you don't see that very often!
And when our volunteer sound person takes me out of the mix (usually by hitting mute and forgetting to unmute), I do.... ;-)
i was priveledged to play at a very large church with the best equipment for many years before being called to where I am now (a small church with a volunteer soundman who has never run sound before). When I played at the large church they had Sound Engineers on full-time staff. I never felt a need for a pedal board there and got tons of love both live and in all recordings. Had great tone with excellent EQ. Never wanted for anything. Wireless Sennheiser pack for my bass and wireless Sennheiser in-ear pack to boot with my own monitor mix that I could program from the back-stage 32 channel auto mixer or just tell the guy walking around with the ipad what I wanted more or less of for each song. Since going to the small church, I've had to basically provide my rig and then start adding pedals, then kind of enjoyed the pedal play and kept adding. Now i want a new board and more pedals like a junky. LOL.
I'd guess you're correct, primarily this is about boards and effects one might use in church, and the specificity attracts a loyal following. A surprising number of these folks use a lot of the same pedals a bar gigger might, though. Of course a surprising number of these folks gig outside of a church situation.
If you have a generic pedal board question, there's a lot of folks here that would be happy to answer. Note that the ratio of pros to volunteers is quite low here, but most of the volunteers here are playing multiple sets per month. Some of them even during the pandemic (usually recording and submitting audio / video to the producer).
I totally understand. I used to do sound at the same church I played so I knew the board. The problem was the other sound guys see a bass and think if you can't hear the bass in the mix, it must need the bass knob turned up. I gave up because it seems I became the jerk.
I ran through my Eden WT 405 head to di with the sound I wanted but that seemed to never work. Eventually, I gave up and just played.
One Sunday when I was playing bass, the other sound tech informed me that bass guitar only goes up to 400 Hz, and that's where he set a low pass filter.
Don't tell him I made a few small changes to the bass channel.
OoooooofffffOne Sunday when I was playing bass, the other sound tech informed me that bass guitar only goes up to 400 Hz, and that's where he set a low pass filter.
Don't tell him I made a few small changes to the bass channel.
One Sunday when I was playing bass, the other sound tech informed me that bass guitar only goes up to 400 Hz, and that's where he set a low pass filter.
Don't tell him I made a few small changes to the bass channel.
I used to go round and round a bit with our original sound guy. I'd be in the subs but not in the mains and when I'd go high, I'd faintly disappear at least it sounded that way. I tried to get me to run full spectrum in the subs but that never happened and when we got the other alternate (another Brazilian guy) sound guy, he pushed bass a bit more and he worked on full range for me also going in the mains and pushing a bit more in the subs. I think th second guy gets it close and the first undoes it when he serves. I remember a few times that the MD would yell at him when MD was just on vocals and not on KB or Drums and he'd have him push me a bit more During sound check. I just think he muted stuff and never turned it back on. He's done that too. 3/4 of the way though the first song and bang!
My church, along with many others is a "no amps on stage" setting. At my last church, I left a "decent" rig for the other bass player and I to use (good security there and GREAT insurance!) - I left a Genz Benz Streamliner 900 into an Accugroove El Whappo. Absolutely the best sound I ever got out of a bass rig (except for the Genz GBE1200 into two Whappo Jr's!).
Since I can't have what I want on stage, I'm enjoying playing with pedals. I am using a Nano+ with a Morningstar DC6, HX Stomp and a Darkglass VMTD Limited Edition. Funny thing, I have about 5 presets I use and I tweak them as I identify the changes I want. Since the VMTD has a really good DI, I send the wet signal to the soundboard and have control over what my bass sounds like in the house. Since I don't get too extreme, I don't get complaints. One recent addition is the CIOKS DC7 power supply - the Stomp takes a lot of power and the CIOKS can supply it with the right cables. Anyway, it fits under the board a LOT better than the stock Line 6 power supply.
FWIW, I often use the Blake Bass preset with a few tweaks.
Dan
You don't need a fancy board. You could easily use a simple DI and call it good. I use a tuner/mute pedal and a compressor. That's it. You could also use the DI from an amp if you wanted. We just get caught up on gear around here.
At the two churches I play at, I use my amp on stage, as neither church has subs, and I can also use a pedalboard when I want to. I have the choice of using my own DI (Noble) or the DI output of my Bergantino Forte HP.
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Very nice. I used my eden XST 210 but had it on a speaker platform because the stage was vibrating and amplified the bass. My Ear Candy 212, although really heavy, sounded great at low and high volumes but the Eden sounded best turned up, IMO. I used both my Eden WT 405 or little mark II.
I wish I was still playing somewhere but, life goes on. Getting back in to it at home.
Love your set up.
I can't speak for Dave, but I can tell you I sure do.
