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Would you play a gig with a Confederate Flag?

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hdracer said:
I hate to tell you Jive but it was democrats that used the flag.
A republican president and house started the war to end slavery.
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That's true. It's also true that later, Southern racists (or as they preferred to be called, segregationists) mostly abandoned the Democrats in favor of the Republicans after the Dems included a civil rights plank in their 1948 platform and later passed the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act.
 
#63
Did it many times in the 1990s. Not a problem.

Would have no idea on how it would be received these days.

And no......... It is not even close to being a "swastika." Somebody should read a little more history.
 
#64
I'd do the gig, slavery was legal in the U.S. with the American flag as it's banner. The civil war was not just about slavery & Lincoln didn't always have this heroic opinion on freeing slaves that he is attributed to in popular culture. History is rarely black & white, however if I was black I would probably have a different opinion on playing there. I see it as a southern pride thing, if you look to be offended life will rarely disappoint you.
 
#65
Playing in front of the Southern Democrats own Confederate flag...somewhat now a united symbol of pro-slavery and segregation....no thanks...sends a message of support I wouldn't want to purvey.

Played a show in front of framed 8x10 pictures of marines that had been killed in action. Kind of felt like I had to give it my all plus some, so I did, as they deserved a good show. Emotionally looking in to their eyes was inspiring and gut wrenching at the same time.
 
#66
elgecko said:
I have as a sub...and I'm Filipino!

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It was small and not the centerpoint of the stage. Very much unlike the giant one I saw unfurl at a Skynard concert. You should've seen the look mine and my friend's faces! :eek:

:p
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Not only is there a Confederate flag, but the Stars and Stripes are backwards.
 
#67
teleharmonium said:
That's true. It's also true that later, Southern racists (or as they preferred to be called, segregationists) mostly abandoned the Democrats in favor of the Republicans after the Dems included a civil rights plank in their 1948 platform and later passed the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act.
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That was overwhelmingly supported by republicans.
Most democrats did not support it, including Al Gore Sr.
 
#69
Bingo said:
Keep it in perspective. Take a look at their schedule. If they have 100 bands a year, then go ahead and do it. Obviously, every band that plays there isn't harmed by the experience. If they are new, only have a few bands a year, or nobody seems to know much about the place, it may be a safe bet to walk away.

On a personal level it wouldn't bother me. It's just a gig. Three of the biggest redneck musicians I know (who all know more southern rock music than I do) are black. One constantly wears a T-shirt with a croc or gator draped in a rebel flag during shows.

If you avoid everything that could potentially offend anyone, you probably wouldn't play most of the music you play. For that matter you would probably have to throw away most everything you own. Some people are really put off by pop tarts or orange shirts. (And, no, I am not eating pop tarts in an orange shirt.)
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great answer, and i agree
 
#70
jive1 said:
I know that. But, facts are not always the basis of people's opinions and imagery. If you put up a Confederate flag and ask conservative/liberal or republican/democrat, I highly doubt that the majority will say liberal democrat.
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That would still be incorrect. It is more accurate to say conservative democrat. The labels of repub and dem have gone through drastic changes over the years. I know it's hard to believe but for the majority of time in the USA, both major parties had lots of what we would consider conservative *and* liberal folks.
 
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6jase5 said:
Played a show in front of framed 8x10 pictures of marines that had been killed in action. Kind of felt like I had to give it my all plus some, so I did, as they deserved a good show. Emotionally looking in to their eyes was inspiring and gut wrenching at the same time.
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I wouldn't want this gig, either, as state-sponsored militarism is not "my thing" -- regardless of how necessary it may be.

How about a big mural of Curtis Mayfield? I'm there for that gig, and those values.
 
#72
sowilson said:
I wouldn't. The confederates LOST, time for supporters to recognize that fact and become Americans. I won't support sedition and treason on American soil.
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Being out West, and not having a dog in the fight, let me float this idea.

Should everyone who comes to live here "become Americans"? What about immigrants? Define what it means to be an "American". Should all people located within the confines of lines on a map be forced to live within that definition?

Or could we just live with and appreciate our differences in beliefs and traditions in the US? I, for one, am OK with gay people getting married, people of any color doing whatever they wish within the law, religious people believing whatever they wish, and people flying a rebel flag if that's what makes them smile. I think there's room for all of that here. Flying that flag doesn't make someone un-American. No more than flying a Mexican flag in a Mexican restaurant, or an Italian flag, or a Nazi flag, or a Christian flag. The whole point of the founding of this place is that you can believe whatever you like and still be American.

By the same token, you are well within your rights to feel however you wish about the OP's situation.

But I think we fling about "un-American" way too much lately. (If I misread your implication, my apologies.) If you do it in America, it's pretty much American. It may fly in the face of my patriotic opinions and roots. But it is American none the less.
 
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sparkyfender2 said:
Did it many times in the 1990s. Not a problem.

Would have no idea on how it would be received these days.

And no......... It is not even close to being a "swastika." Somebody should read a little more history.
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Both flags symbolize a failed regime that implemented racist policies. You have to acknowledge they are at least a little bit similar.
 
#75
hdracer said:
That was overwhelmingly supported by republicans.
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And nonetheless had a lot more D than R votes for both of those pieces of legislation.

hdracer said:
Most democrats did not support it, including Al Gore Sr.
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You're mistaken. Most Dems did support both of those bills - details linked below.

If you have a special interest in Al Gore Sr, you should know that he voted for the Voting Rights Act and against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. (As did the R running for President that year, Barry Goldwater.)

Obviously only Dems could decide the Democratic party platform so there is no party comparison to be made there.

Voting Rights Act:

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Civil Rights Act:

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https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/pdf/FinalSenatePassageCR1964.pdf
 
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bkbirge said:
That would still be incorrect. It is more accurate to say conservative democrat. The labels of repub and dem have gone through drastic changes over the years. I know it's hard to believe but for the majority of time in the USA, both major parties had lots of what we would consider conservative *and* liberal folks.
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Sorry, meant to put an 'or' between liberal and democrat.
 
#79
If you play in front of a symbol/flag/banner etc. you're effectively promoting it.
Are you comfortable to step up to the microphone BEFORE the first song and state that you'd prefer the flag to be taken down and your banner been put up?
If your answer is no, don't play that venue. If your answer is yes, play your heart out. Bring chicken wire, just in case ...
 
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